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RE: Official Game Thread: CIT Round 2 vs Towson (L 77-83)
(03-22-2014 11:41 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Nobody on this board predicted this team to 20 plus, most of us said 12-14.

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Preseason no one predicted it. But if you had known this team was going to have the newcomer of the year, an all-freshman selection, and a first-team all-conference selection, would you have altered your expectations?

You also didn't know he was going to get 3 more games than last season.

I'm not trying to say he should be fired or anything to that manner, I'm just trying to provide a little context and play devil's advocate, because I just don't believe that 19 wins should be considered overachieving given the circumstances.
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This team did better than feared but worse than hoped for. In his tenure, not one season comes to mind with the impression that Bartow drew out a team's full potential or surpassed it through superior coaching. He is a mediocre to average coach in a safe place. With the right post transfer, JUCO or otherwise, next year's team could be very promising. But Bartow doesn't even seem to be looking for that. Instead, we'll probably get a cupboard full of guards and another undersized transfer in the post. Banks has no experience and will return a practical Freshman. We'll have a winning season in the Socon but do little out of conference against true basketball teams. Shame.
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RE: Official Game Thread: CIT Round 2 vs Towson (L 77-83)
In regards to NE TN, there are three things Bartow has going for him that are helping him keep his job:
  1. He is a middle-aged white guy in a land of middle-aged white guys.
  2. He has a pedigree.
  3. He is rich.
To break it down for the slow witted:
  1. Self-explanatory! You know it's true.
  2. He would have been fired by now if his last name wasn't Bartow.
  3. In East Tennessee, being rich excuses a lot of things.*
This is why you see all the handwringing and reluctance over letting him go. Any school worth their salt would have pulled the trigger by now.** How many Mercers, FGCUs, and Belmonts does it take?

* A pedigree also excuses a lot of things.
**I realize special consideration needs to be given due to the previous administration's incompetence the last ten years.
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RE: Official Game Thread: CIT Round 2 vs Towson (L 77-83)
We are just not big enough or tough enough to take it to the next level with Bartow. Unless he has trick up his sleeve , nothing will change.

He keeps doing the same things over and over expecting different results. This has been mentioned over and over on this board. We need to replace (frankly upgrade) some bigs. So lets get more guards !

Reminds me of a football coach who ignores special teams but has 5 QBs he rotates in and out and then wonders why he got beat.

Did he do better this year than some in the past ? IMHO he did. But is it going to be enough to take us to the next level ? Vegas would give poor odds on that number. I hope I am wrong and would love to eat crow but I am not going to lose any sleep over that wager.

Please get some real Bigs and I will swallow that nasty black bird whole.
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He went 7-7 OOC against Div I teams and 11-9 against the A-Sun, you break that down it isn't that impressive. We talked before the year started that this was a schedule he had tailored made to have success with since we only had 1 money game. For Bartow .500 OCC is impressive I guess since he still has a sub 40% winning percentage against OOC teams (Div I) since joining the A-Sun.
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SFA and FGCU were the only meaningful wins of the year as far as Mid-Major ball goes. SFA looks great in recent context, but that was not a season influencing win. FGCU was an average team and win that mattered more for last year's Dunk City run and this year's cinference seeding. But ultimately, two decent wins in what shoukd have been a 25 win season.
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RE: Official Game Thread: CIT Round 2 vs Towson (L 77-83)
Did anyone hear his post game interview?

Banks is the real thing. He will start next year and will be an all conference player. He compared him to Isaac Brown. O'Field will be a starter and be a big scorer and rebounder.

So Banks, an all conference player, loses a full season over a few trash minutes but he is the real deal? I guess a few minutes is all he needed to be ready for next season.

O'Field, 6'5, is playing pick up ball, a freshman, 6'10" described as a project, and Banks, these are mubars answer for the inside game. Typical mubar, no development of players and no experienced bigs ready to play.

My husband has had the opportunity to get to know the asst. coaches and their ideas on next season is to recruit bigs that can play now, not two years down the road. Hopefully they get their wish and mubar gets out of the way.

AS for winning the SoCon, here is a little info on the teams

Wofford, three out of last five years in NCAA, loses one player, a forward

Chatt loses one player, a forward. Yes its their best player.

UNCC loses two players, one guard, one forward.,

Samford loses two guards.

VMI loses two 5'10" guards and a forward.

Mercer loses seven players, but played eleven this year and their success this year will help bigtime in recruiting.

ETSU loses all their playing bigs, KGG, Harris and Luke. Returns three guards and three wing players, not one over 6'3".

IMO, if ETSU can't recruit at least three bigs that can play, I don't mean take up space on the floor, they will be a mid pack team. ETSU can't outshoot every team they play. ETSU must have bigs.

If anyone has any info on recruiting in the SoCon for 2014-2015, please share it.
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RE: Official Game Thread: CIT Round 2 vs Towson (L 77-83)
The preceding analyses sound pretty much right to me. Unless he can recruit a couple of real, impact bigs we will probably wind up mid pack in the SoCon next year. Remember we finished tied for sixth this year and got fourth on tie breakers. Mediocrity firmly entrenched.
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Way too early to be calling predictions, but if we don't take at least one legitimate post transfer I see next season turning flat (i.e., another borderline winning season, no quality wins). The only way we're getting a traditional presence out of Banks and Overstreet is an aggressive steroids regimen over the summer. I called for a 3rd place or better finish to be the standard this year, and it should certainly be called for next season. Obviously, Bartow will be back - no one's risking $70K on a postseason just to fire the coach.

Anything less than top 3 next season with out-of-conference wins, Bartow has to go without discussion, no contract extension. Please be asking yourself coach, "How do I save my job?" It won't be by doubling down on the same decision making that will lose it. We have some great energy to carry over from CIT, especially Chattanooga, going into the Socon. Don't blow it, Bartow. Recruit some friggin' bigs.
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(03-22-2014 02:29 PM)bucgal Wrote:  Did anyone hear his post game interview?

Banks is the real thing. He will start next year and will be an all conference player. He compared him to Isaac Brown. O'Field will be a starter and be a big scorer and rebounder. So Banks, an all conference player, loses a full season over a few trash minutes but he is the real deal? I guess a few minutes is all he needed to be ready for next season.


The use of Banks this season made no sense to me, especially in light of Bartow's remarks about Banks. He was touted very early on as our best rebounder--we desperately needed rebounding this year--and yet Bartow gave Banks approximately 5.5 mpg.

Another huge question mark for next season is Ron Giplaye. Ron's heart condition obviously derailed (at least initially) his season, and perhaps he did not regain conditioning and form. IF he stays and decides to continue his career, will he be able to contribute at a level expected of him upon his recruitment? Wagers told me during Giplaye's redshirt season that Giplaye could defend virtually any post player, regardless of size. If this is the case, and if Ron's reestablishes himself, he could be a critical piece to next year's team.

This is just a hunch, but I suspect we'll sign at least one wing (e.g., Barford, Bradford, Thomas) and another point guard/shooting guard. This means we'll use the third scholarship for another frontcourt player, probably a juco. Personally, I'd like to see sign another player in the mold of Hunter Harris, Greg Hamlin, or Eryk Thomas.
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RE: Official Game Thread: CIT Round 2 vs Towson (L 77-83)
(03-22-2014 05:09 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 02:29 PM)bucgal Wrote:  Did anyone hear his post game interview?

Banks is the real thing. He will start next year and will be an all conference player. He compared him to Isaac Brown. O'Field will be a starter and be a big scorer and rebounder. So Banks, an all conference player, loses a full season over a few trash minutes but he is the real deal? I guess a few minutes is all he needed to be ready for next season.


The use of Banks this season made no sense to me, especially in light of Bartow's remarks about Banks. He was touted very early on as our best rebounder--we desperately needed rebounding this year--and yet Bartow gave Banks approximately 5.5 mpg.

Another huge question mark for next season is Ron Giplaye. Ron's heart condition obviously derailed (at least initially) his season, and perhaps he did not regain conditioning and form. IF he stays and decides to continue his career, will he be able to contribute at a level expected of him upon his recruitment? Wagers told me during Giplaye's redshirt season that Giplaye could defend virtually any post player, regardless of size. If this is the case, and if Ron's reestablishes himself, he could be a critical piece to next year's team.

This is just a hunch, but I suspect we'll sign at least one wing (e.g., Barford, Bradford, Thomas) and another point guard/shooting guard. This means we'll use the third scholarship for another frontcourt player, probably a juco. Personally, I'd like to see sign another player in the mold of Hunter Harris, Greg Hamlin, or Eryk Thomas.

Stop this insanity Dr. Sander. You see what we are forced to discussed because this man is still the coach. Isn't the description of insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Not fair to the players (who work their butts off toward a mediocre goal). Not fair to the fans (who deserve more for their loyalty). Not fair to students , who foot he bill.
If this is the level of expectations we are to have and it is not going to be any higher, keep Bartow another year, give him an extension and drop out of DIV 1. I am sorry a another year of this is not acceptable.
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(03-22-2014 12:08 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  In regards to NE TN, there are three things Bartow has going for him that are helping him keep his job:
  1. He is a middle-aged white guy in a land of middle-aged white guys.
  2. He has a pedigree.
  3. He is rich.
To break it down for the slow witted:
  1. Self-explanatory! You know it's true.
  2. He would have been fired by now if his last name wasn't Bartow.
  3. In the East Tennessee, being rich excuses a lot of things.*
This is why you see all the handwringing and reluctance over letting him go. Any school worth their salt would have pulled the trigger by now.** How many Mercers, FGCUs, and Belmonts does it take?

* A pedigree also excuses a lot of things.
**I realize special consideration needs to be given due to the previous administration's incompetence the last ten years.

Finally someone who gets it.
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(03-22-2014 08:19 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(03-22-2014 12:08 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  In regards to NE TN, there are three things Bartow has going for him that are helping him keep his job:
  1. He is a middle-aged white guy in a land of middle-aged white guys.
  2. He has a pedigree.
  3. He is rich.
To break it down for the slow witted:
  1. Self-explanatory! You know it's true.
  2. He would have been fired by now if his last name wasn't Bartow.
  3. In the East Tennessee, being rich excuses a lot of things.*
This is why you see all the handwringing and reluctance over letting him go. Any school worth their salt would have pulled the trigger by now.** How many Mercers, FGCUs, and Belmonts does it take?

* A pedigree also excuses a lot of things.
**I realize special consideration needs to be given due to the previous administration's incompetence the last ten years.

Finally someone who gets it.

Lol, do you really think you are the only one aware of this facts? whatever.

That was to Lover, not you Seattle.
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You weren't. You seem to think you're 100 dollar donation actually mattered to the prev administration there, Corky. Like it or not, unless Bartow leaves on his own terms he will be the basketball coach here. And if he does leave, don't be shocked if its not for an office job at ETSU.

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(03-23-2014 08:10 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  You weren't. You seem to think you're 100 dollar donation actually mattered to the prev administration there, Corky. Like it or not, unless Bartow leaves on his own terms he will be the basketball coach here. And if he does leave, don't be shocked if its not for an office job at ETSU.

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I am well aware that Bartow isn't going where. I want Bartow gone, I have never posted this year that expected he would be gone. Pretty sure I posted on the fire Bartow thread more then once he was doing enough to scrape by but spin the crap your way.
You know, Pitt was right, you do want to be him and with him gone you are trying to slip into that role. Smug, smartass who thinks he is smarter then anyone else, who insults people and attacks them with by putting words in their mouth. OH crap ETSUFAN1 you might want to check, Pitt might have hacked Lover's account. No wait never mind, he is TRYING to be like Pitt but he isn't even smart enough to pull that off. Keep up you funny little attacks Lover.
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I haven't attacked you personally at all, all I've simply done is offer a differing view based on fact based statistics. I'm with ya bud, I want his ass out of town. He's a jerk, he treats his players like crap. You want to know the most telling thing about how he is? Look at who showed up as alums at the Chattanooga game. Four. That was all. And I get it, a bunch of those guys are overseas right now. He's always given me the impression that he's not welcoming to former players, he's a tool to his current players, and I've heard first hand how he's talked to student managers. He was always to busy to do the coaches show, too busy for what he perceives as "The little people."
Bottom line, argue it all you want, but based on winning percentage, trips to the postseason and WINS, Bartow has gotten the job done. Everything else, community/fan support, winning over the 10 dollar ticket and a t shirt guy, the students, and former players, etc... he has SUCKED. I honestly believe had he had another losing season, they would've sent him packing, even if it was 14-16.
And if I were Beetlejuice, this would be a scenario where there'd be something about Man Malls, Sam Oatman, stalking volleyball players, how great the free sports magazine was at La Carreta, and I would actually dig into all of your posts and yada yada yada. It's really not worth it dude. I think secretly you miss ol' Marky, you bring him up an awful lot, so if by trying to pick a fight with someone who about 90 percent of the time agrees with you fills that void in your heart, then I guess keep trying to fire away. But as Seattle said, his name, his money, his connections to the few donors who have money (namely the groupie with a construction business), and his winning percentage will sadly keep him here.
As bad as this is to say, ETSU fans who want Murry gone need this team to lose and be involved in a nasty scandal so it makes it easy to run him out.
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You haven't attacked me? Really.
insulted my intelligence. Pitt playbook, check.
Maybe snide comments about my job (more then once) without having a clue. Check.
Made assumptions about amount of money donated to Pirate Club/BASA. (more the once) Check.
Used funny little nicknames to be demeaning.(more then once) Check.

I am not sure who is arguing with you. I want him gone, 90% of the people on this board want him gone. We post about it,
dream about and vent about it but again most of us, probably 90% know it isn't going to happen unless Bartow really screws up.
But this is FAN messageboard, I think we should be allowed to post about wanting Bartow gone without someone popping up saying, isn't going to happen over and over, We get it, really. You don't have to keep reminding us, we can dream damnit.
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(03-23-2014 10:59 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  You haven't attacked me? Really.
insulted my intelligence. Pitt playbook, check.
Maybe snide comments about my job (more then once) without having a clue. Check.
Made assumptions about amount of money donated to Pirate Club/BASA. (more the once) Check.
Used funny little nicknames to be demeaning.(more then once) Check.

I am not sure who is arguing with you. I want him gone, 90% of the people on this board want him gone. We post about it,
dream about and vent about it but again most of us, probably 90% know it isn't going to happen unless Bartow really screws up.
But this is FAN messageboard, I think we should be allowed to post about wanting Bartow gone without someone popping up saying, isn't going to happen over and over, We get it, really. You don't have to keep reminding us, we can dream damnit.

We can dream about a new arenas and purple monkeys flying out ol' beetlejuice's rear end too, but at some point we're just 05-deadhorse
It's just not worth it when he keeps having winning records.
We're stuck living with the mantra: "He's an arsehole, but he's our arsehole."
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