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RE: ncaa might not require 12 for title game
It looks like the "get a 12th team by June 1" talk needs to fade into the background. No real smoke of any invite soon, conference leaders preaching patience and no need to urgently add, and a general feeling that a 12th team may not even be needed for a conference championship game (if NCAA proposal passes).

About the only voice I read or hear saying we need to add right now is that of Commissioner Benson. I have concluded the 11 schools voting on this are in no rush.
03-19-2014 09:07 PM
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LUSportsFan, listen I like the stats route but your comparing apples to raisins when comparing Texas State to Lamar. It's a valiant try but I stand by my comments. I have family deeply involved within the university, who are alumni, and friends who have attended school there. I know LU culture and campus life very well and because of that, I stand by my comments that they are pretty spot on and not fabricated. Deep down you know my statements are very fair and honest.

Here's a number to consider in the Fall of 2012 the total student population was 14,288, of that total, 6,634 were Non-Traditional students (25+yrs old). Do you honestly think any of the schools currently in the Sun Belt have numbers like that in their student demographics? I'm sorry but I just don't see the support there in Beaumont for Lamar to survive in the FBS.
03-20-2014 06:41 AM
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(03-20-2014 06:41 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  LUSportsFan, listen I like the stats route but your comparing apples to raisins when comparing Texas State to Lamar. It's a valiant try but I stand by my comments. I have family deeply involved within the university, who are alumni, and friends who have attended school there. I know LU culture and campus life very well and because of that, I stand by my comments that they are pretty spot on and not fabricated. Deep down you know my statements are very fair and honest.

Here's a number to consider in the Fall of 2012 the total student population was 14,288, of that total, 6,634 were Non-Traditional students (25+yrs old). Do you honestly think any of the schools currently in the Sun Belt have numbers like that in their student demographics? I'm sorry but I just don't see the support there in Beaumont for Lamar to survive in the FBS.

Non-traditional student population vs support would be an interesting thing to explore. I was one of those non-traditional students many years ago. I received a degree from Texas A&M and then went on active duty in the Air Force flying jets and other aircraft for around 5 years. As I was preparing to go off of active duty, I had to make some decisions. At the time there were a LOT of pilots like me leaving active duty. At the same time, the airlines were laying off their pilots. While I would have loved to continue a career in flying, it didn't seem a very secure career choice. Also, I decided I didn't want to pursue a career associated with my A&M degree. I decided to get another degree in another discipline, Accounting, at Lamar. While I love A&M (third generation Aggie), I also enjoyed my time at Lamar. I started at Lamar when I was 26. I support both universities. While my personal path may have been a series of changes in direction, I believe I received benefit from both degrees as well as exposure from both universities.

I was curious how other universities looked in non-traditional vs traditional enrollment. Arkansas State has an excellent package titled "The Arkansas State University Fact Book". Looking at the 2013-2014 edition, Arkansas State has 5,201 "non-traditional" students on the Jonesboro campus out of a total of 13,532 total for fall of 2013. While the Jonesboro campus has a smaller percentage (35% vs 46% for us using the 6,634 figure), the non-traditional group still represents a large component at a university that has been highly successful.

http://www.astate.edu/dotAsset/1d4d7c13-...60250f.pdf

My understanding is that our previous university president realized some of the issues with our demographics. That's one of the main reasons the new student housing was constructed. As I mentioned, we're up to 26% on-campus housing now. That compares with Arkansas State's 27%. Other things, like building a large student recreational facility have been done also. I think the demographic issues CajunCat noted in an earlier post were valid at one time. I believe there are a lot of other universities with similar demographics. For Lamar, there have been actions taken in the last ten years to change some. The next step, in my opinion, would be to get greater participation from the surrounding communities. There is evidence that some of that is in progress. It just needs more emphasis. I also think the alumni base needs to be more involved. Our "Investing in the Future" campaign helped. I think we need to start another program to keep "the flame lit". I would like to see something like Texas State's "The Drive" or something like some of the other Sun Belt universities have in progress.

I'm using Arkansas State because their main Jonesboro campus enrollment is close to ours. ASU also looks like it could be used as a good blueprint for us. While the Jonesboro MSA is smaller than ours, Jonesboro is similar to us in that it is close to, but separated from larger cities. Memphis is about 75 miles away. Little Rock is about 132 miles away.
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(03-20-2014 06:41 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  LUSportsFan, listen I like the stats route but your comparing apples to raisins when comparing Texas State to Lamar. It's a valiant try but I stand by my comments. I have family deeply involved within the university, who are alumni, and friends who have attended school there. I know LU culture and campus life very well and because of that, I stand by my comments that they are pretty spot on and not fabricated. Deep down you know my statements are very fair and honest.

Here's a number to consider in the Fall of 2012 the total student population was 14,288, of that total, 6,634 were Non-Traditional students (25+yrs old). Do you honestly think any of the schools currently in the Sun Belt have numbers like that in their student demographics? I'm sorry but I just don't see the support there in Beaumont for Lamar to survive in the FBS.
Deeply involve, friends and family at Lamar and all your post on Lamar is Lamar sucks. What exactly is your friends and family telling you about Lamar?
03-20-2014 10:11 AM
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Fair and honest comments. At no point in time did I say Lamar sucks. I want to see them have success at the FCS level and start dominating the Southland Conference soon. Now the neighborhoods around the campus suck. I wish Lamar could buy out the surrounding neighborhoods and clean the area up.
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(03-20-2014 01:13 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  Fair and honest comments. At no point in time did I say Lamar sucks. I want to see them have success at the FCS level and start dominating the Southland Conference soon. Now the neighborhoods around the campus suck. I wish Lamar could buy out the surrounding neighborhoods and clean the area up.

I agree. I didn't see anything dishonest. In years past, I've had opinions and perceptions similar to those that have been expressed. The lack of a strong on-campus community was a big problem. I think Cardinal Village has gone a long way to improve on that. The University has been buying out some more of the homes between the main campus and Cardinal Drive (US Hwys 69, 96, and 287). Almost all if not all homes in that area have been demolished. I would love it if the University purchased property toward Highland Avenue and at least created a green belt.

My understanding is that there are plans to bring more restaurants, etc near the university. That is one of the main things that is different from other colleges I have visited (North Gate at A&M, area around Colorado State, etc). Commercial development on the Highland Avenue side of the University could go a long way in improving aesthetics.

Now, if we could just relocate the San Marcos, Llano, or Guadalupe Rivers so that one would run through our campus. 03-lmfao

The good news is that the local river is pretty and mostly in its natural state from I-10 northward for about 40 to 50 miles. Portions of the river run through The Big Thicket, a UNESCO designated Biosphere Reserve. One just has to drive about 5 miles to get to the river.

http://www.unesco.org/mabdb/br/brdir/dir...ode=USA+34

http://www.nps.gov/bith/planyourvisit/up...hicket.pdf
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(03-20-2014 01:13 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  Fair and honest comments. At no point in time did I say Lamar sucks. I want to see them have success at the FCS level and start dominating the Southland Conference soon. Now the neighborhoods around the campus suck. I wish Lamar could buy out the surrounding neighborhoods and clean the area up.
Fair and honest my booboo. If Lamar was in the SBC today, Lamar would be in the middle of the pack or higher in Academics, budget, attendance, pay, size, community size, and bubbas cup. Your fair and honest is naive to the reality of the sbc. Lets take a look. Your fair and honest says Lamar can not make it in the sbc, therefore a fair and honest comparison between Lamar and the lowest sbc is needed to prove your point. Can we agree La-Monroe is the lowest standard for a Lamar to surpass to be sbc material/sbc worthy?
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(03-20-2014 03:02 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 01:13 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  Fair and honest comments. At no point in time did I say Lamar sucks. I want to see them have success at the FCS level and start dominating the Southland Conference soon. Now the neighborhoods around the campus suck. I wish Lamar could buy out the surrounding neighborhoods and clean the area up.

I agree. I didn't see anything dishonest. In years past, I've had opinions and perceptions similar to those that have been expressed. The lack of a strong on-campus community was a big problem. I think Cardinal Village has gone a long way to improve on that. The University has been buying out some more of the homes between the main campus and Cardinal Drive (US Hwys 69, 96, and 287). Almost all if not all homes in that area have been demolished. I would love it if the University purchased property toward Highland Avenue and at least created a green belt.

My understanding is that there are plans to bring more restaurants, etc near the university. That is one of the main things that is different from other colleges I have visited (North Gate at A&M, area around Colorado State, etc). Commercial development on the Highland Avenue side of the University could go a long way in improving aesthetics.

Now, if we could just relocate the San Marcos, Llano, or Guadalupe Rivers so that one would run through our campus. 03-lmfao

The good news is that the local river is pretty and mostly in its natural state from I-10 northward for about 40 to 50 miles. Portions of the river run through The Big Thicket, a UNESCO designated Biosphere Reserve. One just has to drive about 5 miles to get to the river.

http://www.unesco.org/mabdb/br/brdir/dir...ode=USA+34

http://www.nps.gov/bith/planyourvisit/up...hicket.pdf
Our river supports the 4th and 27th largest ports in nation. Number 2 military sea port in the WORLD.
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(03-20-2014 06:10 PM)SHWISH Wrote:  Fair and honest my booboo. If Lamar was in the SBC today, Lamar would be in the middle of the pack or higher in Academics, budget, attendance, pay, size, community size, and bubbas cup. Your fair and honest is naive to the reality of the sbc. Lets take a look. Your fair and honest says Lamar can not make it in the sbc, therefore a fair and honest comparison between Lamar and the lowest sbc is needed to prove your point. Can we agree La-Monroe is the lowest standard for a Lamar to surpass to be sbc material/sbc worthy?

Haha... No, ULM is not the lowest standard.
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(03-20-2014 07:14 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 06:10 PM)SHWISH Wrote:  Fair and honest my booboo. If Lamar was in the SBC today, Lamar would be in the middle of the pack or higher in Academics, budget, attendance, pay, size, community size, and bubbas cup. Your fair and honest is naive to the reality of the sbc. Lets take a look. Your fair and honest says Lamar can not make it in the sbc, therefore a fair and honest comparison between Lamar and the lowest sbc is needed to prove your point. Can we agree La-Monroe is the lowest standard for a Lamar to surpass to be sbc material/sbc worthy?

Haha... No, ULM is not the lowest standard.
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