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(03-17-2014 01:35 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Unless my sense of geography is off, we (the ACC) have already gotten into portions of Ohio by way of Pitt (edit -- and Notre Dame).

I'd say Louisville has more "pull" in Ohio than Pitt does. Nobody could care less about Pitt in eastern Ohio... it is all OSU territory. In western Ohio people would assume you were talking about the Steelers if you were talking Pittsburgh football. I'm not sure most of them (outside of Cincinnati since both schools played for the past 8 years) even recognize that Pitt still sponsors big time college football.

Notre Dame does have pull amongst the Catholics, no doubt about that.
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(03-19-2014 09:30 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  If Cincinnati was a viable option, they'd already be in the Big XII ahead of West Virginia.

So does that mean Louisville wasn't a viable option since WVU went to the Big 12 before them, too?
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(03-17-2014 10:32 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Getting into Ohio is a plus, and becoming geographically contiguous again is a psychological boost (even if it's not that important).

The conference won't dominate the market the same way it would if it had UC, but it will get exposure in the Cincinnati metro with Notre Dame and UofL.

Exposure maybe, but I don't think that would be the ACC's goal. Really the only reason the ACC would invite UC is if the network got off the ground and ESPN wanted another big market for its launch. If that were the case, inviting UC would be the only way for the network to get carriage in SW Ohio. Those markets are actually pretty valuable too. The Cincinnati and Dayton metros are an extremely lucrative market, and cable carriers there would never carry the ACC Network for UofL and ND basketball/olympic sports. Heck, Cincinnati Bell just dropped the Big Ten Network in Cincinnati, and that's a major carrier.

That's just one farfetched scenario though. Overall, you guys probably have the right train of thought. We aren't Texas. We aren't going to be invited because we are a cash cow. It would only be for the market, and that doesn't seem likely.

I will say though, if the new legislation keeps the CC requirement at 12 and the Big 12 wanted to add 2 but the ACC grabbed UC before the Big 12 could, it could really make a few schools in the Big 12 panic a bit considering what the options they would have left, which would be funny at the very least.
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(03-19-2014 05:34 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(03-19-2014 09:30 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  If Cincinnati was a viable option, they'd already be in the Big XII ahead of West Virginia.

So does that mean Louisville wasn't a viable option since WVU went to the Big 12 before them, too?

Would not be opposed to Cincinnati at all...fertile recruiting ground with Great Basketball Tradition and solid Football
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It'd say NO.05-nono


Hold pattern until Notre Dame decides something.
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(03-21-2014 11:17 AM)HRFlossY Wrote:  It'd say NO.05-nono


Hold pattern until Notre Dame decides something.
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I think we have already decided and have been upfront about it.
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(03-21-2014 12:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 11:17 AM)HRFlossY Wrote:  It'd say NO.05-nono


Hold pattern until Notre Dame decides something.
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I think we have already decided and have been upfront about it.

Oh I got you, We are in no rush, but I would like to revisit this topic after 5 or so years of playoff football....07-coffee3

Your already half in, and that's something that's never happened before.
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(03-21-2014 10:11 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 10:32 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Getting into Ohio is a plus, and becoming geographically contiguous again is a psychological boost (even if it's not that important).

The conference won't dominate the market the same way it would if it had UC, but it will get exposure in the Cincinnati metro with Notre Dame and UofL.

Exposure maybe, but I don't think that would be the ACC's goal. Really the only reason the ACC would invite UC is if the network got off the ground and ESPN wanted another big market for its launch. If that were the case, inviting UC would be the only way for the network to get carriage in SW Ohio. Those markets are actually pretty valuable too. The Cincinnati and Dayton metros are an extremely lucrative market, and cable carriers there would never carry the ACC Network for UofL and ND basketball/olympic sports. Heck, Cincinnati Bell just dropped the Big Ten Network in Cincinnati, and that's a major carrier.

That's just one farfetched scenario though. Overall, you guys probably have the right train of thought. We aren't Texas. We aren't going to be invited because we are a cash cow. It would only be for the market, and that doesn't seem likely.

I will say though, if the new legislation keeps the CC requirement at 12 and the Big 12 wanted to add 2 but the ACC grabbed UC before the Big 12 could, it could really make a few schools in the Big 12 panic a bit considering what the options they would have left, which would be funny at the very least.

IMHO, the Big XII should add UC and BYU to get to twelve. I don't see the incentive for the other power conferences to agree to let them at a CCG with 10 members.

I know BYU has the whole "we won't play on Sundays" thing, but there *has* to be w way to resolve that. I also know that they want to keep games on their channel, but I don't see why they couldn't buy the rights to some of the conference content a la Raycom with the ACC.

As for UC, I don't think that UC makes sense in the ACC because of geographic/cultural reasons, but UC fields competitive teams, recruits well, and seems to be seriously committed to investing in their athletic department. They're also reasonably close to WVU.

That's why I think that the Big XII will eventually jump to twelve, and why I think that UC will get the call along with BYU.

IMO, none of these discussions about TV markets and their direct relationship to monetary payouts make any sense.
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(03-18-2014 09:49 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I can't imagine any reason to expand but if we ever do, UCF would probably be my first choice. Now that may change if the long rumored ACC Network does indeed come to fruition and it manages to get carriage in the Orlando DMA. However, just looking at things objectively, they seem like the surest bet to grow.

I don't think Miami and FSU ever vote for another Florida school....same way FSU isn't in the SEC right now
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ACC expansion??

The first obvious choice is Notre Dame, and I think they eventually come around...the old ND fogeys on this board disagree, but ND fans will soon enough relish new rivals in FSU, Miami, Clemson, etc., and then the ND administration will make the move. No one will miss Michigan and Purdue games....

The next good choice is probably West Virginia. As other posters have mentioned, I think West Virginia would probably jump just to be within a geographical grouping that makes sense. Had they not jumped to the Big XII, would they be ACC already? They add a bit of football muscle as well as instant rivalries with Pitt and Virginia Tech.

I like UConn and Cincinnati, but I think they have a hard time getting in unless other teams leave...if you start seeing the SEC and Big 10 poaching the ACC, UConn and Cincinnati will be in for sure.....

I would like to see the market feasibility on Tulane and Houston....assuming there was ever an ACC network. If conference networks take off (which I'm starting to question if they will or not....), then you'd be able to add two nice size markets with Tulane and Houston.

Lastly, Navy would fit nicely in a package with Notre Dame, if they were ever offered as a deal by the Irish.
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(03-21-2014 01:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:11 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 10:32 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Getting into Ohio is a plus, and becoming geographically contiguous again is a psychological boost (even if it's not that important).

The conference won't dominate the market the same way it would if it had UC, but it will get exposure in the Cincinnati metro with Notre Dame and UofL.

Exposure maybe, but I don't think that would be the ACC's goal. Really the only reason the ACC would invite UC is if the network got off the ground and ESPN wanted another big market for its launch. If that were the case, inviting UC would be the only way for the network to get carriage in SW Ohio. Those markets are actually pretty valuable too. The Cincinnati and Dayton metros are an extremely lucrative market, and cable carriers there would never carry the ACC Network for UofL and ND basketball/olympic sports. Heck, Cincinnati Bell just dropped the Big Ten Network in Cincinnati, and that's a major carrier.

That's just one farfetched scenario though. Overall, you guys probably have the right train of thought. We aren't Texas. We aren't going to be invited because we are a cash cow. It would only be for the market, and that doesn't seem likely.

I will say though, if the new legislation keeps the CC requirement at 12 and the Big 12 wanted to add 2 but the ACC grabbed UC before the Big 12 could, it could really make a few schools in the Big 12 panic a bit considering what the options they would have left, which would be funny at the very least.

IMHO, the Big XII should add UC and BYU to get to twelve. I don't see the incentive for the other power conferences to agree to let them at a CCG with 10 members.

If I was the Big XII, I would eyeing Central Florida....they could be sort of an eastern partner to West Virginia (even though they're still far apart), and they would give the Big XII a foothold in Florida, prime recruiting grounds and markets for a Longhorn network and sports teams.

BYU doesn't add much except football stock....

The Big XII could actually add Cincinnati, Central Florida, Tulane, and UConn, going to 14 and adding a nice eastern wing to the conference....
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(03-21-2014 02:54 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  If I was the Big XII, I would eyeing Central Florida....they could be sort of an eastern partner to West Virginia (even though they're still far apart), and they would give the Big XII a foothold in Florida, prime recruiting grounds and markets for a Longhorn network and sports teams.

BYU doesn't add much except football stock....

The Big XII could actually add Cincinnati, Central Florida, Tulane, and UConn, going to 14 and adding a nice eastern wing to the conference....

I think USF gets in before Tulane. They could really stand to double down on their venture into Florida and both those schools have 50,000 enrollment. Their futures could be bright if they get into a P5 league. Tulane is too much of a drain in football.... and basketball.... and every other sport.
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I guess my answer to this is maybe. With the creation of the ACC TV Network there is another variable that has to be considered into the equation. If the new school will add a significant amount to the revenues of the ACC then I say we should expand. Possible schools might be: Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, UConn. I am not saying to add them, but to do the analysis and see what each school will bring to the ACC in terms of revenues.
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(03-21-2014 02:54 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 01:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-21-2014 10:11 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 10:32 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 09:42 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Getting into Ohio is a plus, and becoming geographically contiguous again is a psychological boost (even if it's not that important).

The conference won't dominate the market the same way it would if it had UC, but it will get exposure in the Cincinnati metro with Notre Dame and UofL.

Exposure maybe, but I don't think that would be the ACC's goal. Really the only reason the ACC would invite UC is if the network got off the ground and ESPN wanted another big market for its launch. If that were the case, inviting UC would be the only way for the network to get carriage in SW Ohio. Those markets are actually pretty valuable too. The Cincinnati and Dayton metros are an extremely lucrative market, and cable carriers there would never carry the ACC Network for UofL and ND basketball/olympic sports. Heck, Cincinnati Bell just dropped the Big Ten Network in Cincinnati, and that's a major carrier.

That's just one farfetched scenario though. Overall, you guys probably have the right train of thought. We aren't Texas. We aren't going to be invited because we are a cash cow. It would only be for the market, and that doesn't seem likely.

I will say though, if the new legislation keeps the CC requirement at 12 and the Big 12 wanted to add 2 but the ACC grabbed UC before the Big 12 could, it could really make a few schools in the Big 12 panic a bit considering what the options they would have left, which would be funny at the very least.

IMHO, the Big XII should add UC and BYU to get to twelve. I don't see the incentive for the other power conferences to agree to let them at a CCG with 10 members.

If I was the Big XII, I would eyeing Central Florida....they could be sort of an eastern partner to West Virginia (even though they're still far apart), and they would give the Big XII a foothold in Florida, prime recruiting grounds and markets for a Longhorn network and sports teams.

BYU doesn't add much except football stock....

The Big XII could actually add Cincinnati, Central Florida, Tulane, and UConn, going to 14 and adding a nice eastern wing to the conference....

I'm not a BYU fan, but BYU fields respectable football and basketball, has decent academics, and has a strong fan base. What do you mean they don't add anything except football.
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I would like to see WVU and Cinci invited if for no other reason to move / lock the B12 out of our footprint. Currently we overlap with 3 P5 conference in our footprint. The SEC in the deep south in FL, SC, and GA and in KY. The Big 10 in the Mid Atlantic in PA, MD, NJ. Finally the B12 in the Mid Atlantic in WV.

By adding WVU and Cinci, it becomes only the B1G and SEC we are overlapping with. The only probable expansion into our footprint, would be UConn going B1G and them establishing a foothold in the New England.
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(03-24-2014 10:49 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I would like to see WVU and Cinci invited if for no other reason to move / lock the B12 out of our footprint. Currently we overlap with 3 P5 conference in our footprint. The SEC in the deep south in FL, SC, and GA and in KY. The Big 10 in the Mid Atlantic in PA, MD, NJ. Finally the B12 in the Mid Atlantic in WV.

By adding WVU and Cinci, it becomes only the B1G and SEC we are overlapping with. The only probable expansion into our footprint, would be UConn going B1G and them establishing a foothold in the New England.

That's not going to happen Shannon.

Texas, Penn State, and few others effectively block the ACC from having a concluding vote on Cincy or WVa. As long as the big fish are still out there, the ACC will not be able to put together 12 votes to for a 16th.

Now there is one very interesting scenario regarding a basketball only addition and they are not in the Big East. However they are out of the box.
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after pondering it for a week or so, my theory conforms to the conventional wisdom. there are only a few scenarios that would cause the acc to expand.

1. unless cincy/uconn makes more $ for everyone, the acc will not add them. this is only possible in the context of an ACC network. UNLIKELY.

2. the acc will wait for nd to go all in as #15. we might not even need a 16th if the deregulation passes. UNLIKELY.

3. another big fish (texas, penn state, etc.) decides to join (unlikely with other conferences' revenues and GOR). UNLIKELY.

4. acc suffers more attrition (unlikely with the GOR). UNLIKELY.



(03-24-2014 11:02 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(03-24-2014 10:49 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I would like to see WVU and Cinci invited if for no other reason to move / lock the B12 out of our footprint. Currently we overlap with 3 P5 conference in our footprint. The SEC in the deep south in FL, SC, and GA and in KY. The Big 10 in the Mid Atlantic in PA, MD, NJ. Finally the B12 in the Mid Atlantic in WV.

By adding WVU and Cinci, it becomes only the B1G and SEC we are overlapping with. The only probable expansion into our footprint, would be UConn going B1G and them establishing a foothold in the New England.

That's not going to happen Shannon.

Texas, Penn State, and few others effectively block the ACC from having a concluding vote on Cincy or WVa. As long as the big fish are still out there, the ACC will not be able to put together 12 votes to for a 16th.

Now there is one very interesting scenario regarding a basketball only addition and they are not in the Big East. However they are out of the box.
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(03-17-2014 08:05 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  assuming that:
1. the deregulation legislation submitted by the acc and big12 passes
2. the acc goes to divisionless play, which effectively removes the requirement for an even number of teams.
3. we can't poach anyone from a p5 conference.

if the ultimate goal is 16 teams, it might be the best course of action to take cincy before the big12 does. add cincy as 15 and wait for nd to come around as 16.

or maybe the goal is 15 under these conditions with nd being the 15th?

I'm not sure that's the ultimate goal for the ACC, and I doubt it's the ultimate goal for ESPN. I think their mutual goal is optimizing per school revenue. Both the ACC and SEC are at an awkward number of members right now. They also both appear to be close to being "tapped out" as far as attractive options until GOR's expire (if they ever do - I could see a new tactic of making GOR's "evergreen").

So I'm going to go way outside the box here, and suggest a solution to several problems all these parties have. Bear in mind, it's so outside the box, its chances of ever happening are extremely slim, because university presidents and AD's aren't big risk takers by nature. And at least one of these parties may prefer to be eaten by sharks rather than let this happen. But hear me out.

ESPN currently "owns" both conferences. The SEC might like to add a couple of eastern teams to get to 16 and put Mizzou into the west. But if they try to poach an ACC team, ESPN isn't going to be inclined to pay a second time for a property it already owns. But there is a way that the 28 teams currently under the ESPN umbrella could be reconfigured to add more value.

Move NC State and Wake Forest to the SEC. I don't mean to denigrate either school by saying the value they add to the ACC is marginal as long as UNC and Duke are still in the league. It's just that they are all sharing the same market right now. But to the SEC, they would represent a major new market. A move like this would bring SEC eyeballs to North Carolina, and North Carolina eyeballs to the SEC. And it wouldn't significantly reduce ACC eyeballs on NC and NC eyeballs on the ACC.

To pay for it, move Wake's share of the current contract with ESPN to the SEC. That wouldn't significantly alter the per school payout for any of the other 26 schools. Pay for State's share by having the ACC and ESPN each pay half of State's ACC share to the SEC. In aggregate, ESPN pays a little bit more, but now they can market SEC games in the huge NC market.

For the SEC, they gain market share, but they don't have to weaken the competitive prospects for any of the schools currently in the SEC East. State won't be embarrassed on the field, but neither will they be serious title contenders. In that sense, they are in the same place they currently occupy in the ACC. Wake is going to be a football bottom feeder, but again, that's where they are in the ACC.

While academic reputation considerations are close to a wash, on average both conferences would get a very slight upgrade from their current position. State would get out from UNC's shadow, and get a recruiting advantage in football. I could picture State having a schedule going forward of 9 SEC games with WFU every year, plus UNC, Duke and ECU. They lose the OOC cupcakes, and wouldn't get a seventh home game, but they could probably expand their stadium and fill it up every time with that schedule.

You'd no doubt have to sweeten the pot for Wake by guaranteeing that they still get a basketball game against both Duke and Carolina every year. Even then, they would probably still balk. Right now, I think the Deacons strategy is to keep as low a profile as possible so their conference mates don't realize they don't add much value to the league's TV deals. They just want to be sure they don't get bounced out of the P5 entirely.

With this configuration, the ACC ends at 12 schools and the SEC at 16. The ACC gets to stay at 8 league games, giving them a chance to schedule attractive OOC P5 opponents. It's a long shot, but as long as we're dreaming......
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(03-24-2014 02:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 08:05 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  assuming that:
1. the deregulation legislation submitted by the acc and big12 passes
2. the acc goes to divisionless play, which effectively removes the requirement for an even number of teams.
3. we can't poach anyone from a p5 conference.

if the ultimate goal is 16 teams, it might be the best course of action to take cincy before the big12 does. add cincy as 15 and wait for nd to come around as 16.

or maybe the goal is 15 under these conditions with nd being the 15th?

I'm not sure that's the ultimate goal for the ACC, and I doubt it's the ultimate goal for ESPN. I think their mutual goal is optimizing per school revenue. Both the ACC and SEC are at an awkward number of members right now. They also both appear to be close to being "tapped out" as far as attractive options until GOR's expire (if they ever do - I could see a new tactic of making GOR's "evergreen").

So I'm going to go way outside the box here, and suggest a solution to several problems all these parties have. Bear in mind, it's so outside the box, its chances of ever happening are extremely slim, because university presidents and AD's aren't big risk takers by nature. And at least one of these parties may prefer to be eaten by sharks rather than let this happen. But hear me out.

ESPN currently "owns" both conferences. The SEC might like to add a couple of eastern teams to get to 16 and put Mizzou into the west. But if they try to poach an ACC team, ESPN isn't going to be inclined to pay a second time for a property it already owns. But there is a way that the 28 teams currently under the ESPN umbrella could be reconfigured to add more value.

Move NC State and Wake Forest to the SEC. I don't mean to denigrate either school by saying the value they add to the ACC is marginal as long as UNC and Duke are still in the league. It's just that they are all sharing the same market right now. But to the SEC, they would represent a major new market. A move like this would bring SEC eyeballs to North Carolina, and North Carolina eyeballs to the SEC. And it wouldn't significantly reduce ACC eyeballs on NC and NC eyeballs on the ACC.

To pay for it, move Wake's share of the current contract with ESPN to the SEC. That wouldn't significantly alter the per school payout for any of the other 26 schools. Pay for State's share by having the ACC and ESPN each pay half of State's ACC share to the SEC. In aggregate, ESPN pays a little bit more, but now they can market SEC games in the huge NC market.

For the SEC, they gain market share, but they don't have to weaken the competitive prospects for any of the schools currently in the SEC East. State won't be embarrassed on the field, but neither will they be serious title contenders. In that sense, they are in the same place they currently occupy in the ACC. Wake is going to be a football bottom feeder, but again, that's where they are in the ACC.

While academic reputation considerations are close to a wash, on average both conferences would get a very slight upgrade from their current position. State would get out from UNC's shadow, and get a recruiting advantage in football. I could picture State having a schedule going forward of 9 SEC games with WFU every year, plus UNC, Duke and ECU. They lose the OOC cupcakes, and wouldn't get a seventh home game, but they could probably expand their stadium and fill it up every time with that schedule.

You'd no doubt have to sweeten the pot for Wake by guaranteeing that they still get a basketball game against both Duke and Carolina every year. Even then, they would probably still balk. Right now, I think the Deacons strategy is to keep as low a profile as possible so their conference mates don't realize they don't add much value to the league's TV deals. They just want to be sure they don't get bounced out of the P5 entirely.

With this configuration, the ACC ends at 12 schools and the SEC at 16. The ACC gets to stay at 8 league games, giving them a chance to schedule attractive OOC P5 opponents. It's a long shot, but as long as we're dreaming......

How is this good for the ACC? It gives the SEC a presence in NC, and does nothing to improve the ACC. It is a net gain by the SEC and a net loss to the ACC. It's a loss for NC State and Wake Forest too. We are going to pay you the same money, sever your relationship with your traditional rivals, put you in a conference where you can never compete for a title, and you will likely be a sacrificial lamb and everyone's Homecoming game. If ESPN proposed anything like this the ACC would have a reasonable case for tortuous interference.
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RE: if the deregulation legislation passes, should the acc expand?
(03-24-2014 09:17 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  
(03-24-2014 02:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  ...I'm going to go way outside the box here, and suggest a solution to several problems all these parties have... Move NC State and Wake Forest to the SEC.

How is this good for the ACC? It gives the SEC a presence in NC, and does nothing to improve the ACC. It is a net gain by the SEC and a net loss to the ACC. It's a loss for NC State and Wake Forest too. We are going to pay you the same money, sever your relationship with your traditional rivals, put you in a conference where you can never compete for a title, and you will likely be a sacrificial lamb and everyone's Homecoming game. If ESPN proposed anything like this the ACC would have a reasonable case for tortuous interference.

OK, I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you, Shannon Panther, but your misspelling is FUNNY!

tor·tious ˈtôrSHəs adjective LAW - constituting a tort; wrongful. (tortious interference)
tor·tu·ous ˈtôrCHo͞oəs adjective - full of twists and turns. (a tortuous road)
03-25-2014 06:09 AM
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