(03-16-2014 07:23 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The American does have to be concerned. The NCAA has taken strength of schedule shots at American schools in both football and basketball. It does appear that there is an image problem, however take solace in the fact that you got 4 teams in the BBT. Nevertheless, you not considered a Tier I conference, after all Louisville is the defending National Champion and was given a 4 seed.

Certainly going forward the top AAC teams need to schedule better non conference. UL got hit because non conference it did nothing

ESPn just picked St Joes over UConn in the 2nd round

(03-16-2014 07:26 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  ESPn just picked St Joes over UConn in the 2nd round

I'm assuming it was Seth Greenberg, who has always been a douche towards UCONN.

I will not miss the UL uncalled for smugness. quote='Wilkie01' pid='10555958' dateline='1395015819']
The American does have to be concerned. The NCAA has taken strength of schedule shots at American schools in both football and basketball. It does appear that there is an image problem, however take solace in the fact that you got 4 teams in the BBT. Nevertheless, you not considered a Tier I conference, after all Louisville is the defending National Champion and was given a 4 seed.

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(03-16-2014 07:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV 7m

Big 12 has 7 teams in the Dance. / American Athletic Conference got a raw deal in seeding #NoRespect SMU was left out

I think that is DIRECTLY related to having no voice in the room.

(03-16-2014 07:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Looking at bracket matrix 69 of the 78 had SMU in, while only 1 had NC State in. No one thought they were a serious tournament contender and yet they got in. That is a joke.

SMU SOS schedule is what hurt them. I think NC State having Warren ACC POY and the win over Syracuse got them in the last four. I thought if State got in in would be the Tuesday NCAA game otherwise NIT. Man I wish Warren would come back but he is probably a lottery pick and is probably gone. Good luck in the CIT, how you all repeat.

(03-16-2014 07:23 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  The American does have to be concerned. The NCAA has taken strength of schedule shots at American schools in both football and basketball.

Yep, they sure did. We need to work on this.

Conference Rodney Dangerfield strikes again.

Screw jobs on the seeds and draws. SMU was not totally unexpected but I think they deserved at least the play in games. But I do sorta love that one Stang fan in particular is miserable right now. Karma is a beyotch.

(03-16-2014 08:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 07:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV 7m

Big 12 has 7 teams in the Dance. / American Athletic Conference got a raw deal in seeding #NoRespect SMU was left out

I think that is DIRECTLY related to having no voice in the room.

You do realize the "voice" you are talking about is really a ludicrous argument.

NCAA Committee "To avoid a potential conflict of interest, committee members must leave the room when their own school is being discussed - or schools in the case of the conference commissioners. The member may be invited to answer factual questions regarding their team (e.g. status of player injuries). An athletic director may be present when other schools from his or her conference are discussed, but he or she may only speak if asked."

(03-16-2014 08:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 08:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 07:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV 7m

Big 12 has 7 teams in the Dance. / American Athletic Conference got a raw deal in seeding #NoRespect SMU was left out

I think that is DIRECTLY related to having no voice in the room.

You do realize the "voice" you are talking about is really a ludicrous argument.

NCAA Committee "To avoid a potential conflict of interest, committee members must leave the room when their own school is being discussed - or schools in the case of the conference commissioners. The member may be invited to answer factual questions regarding their team (e.g. status of player injuries). An athletic director may be present when other schools from his or her conference are discussed, but he or she may only speak if asked."

Yeah, I'm sure they strictly enforce those rules...lol

(03-16-2014 08:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 08:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 07:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV 7m

Big 12 has 7 teams in the Dance. / American Athletic Conference got a raw deal in seeding #NoRespect SMU was left out

I think that is DIRECTLY related to having no voice in the room.

You do realize the "voice" you are talking about is really a ludicrous argument.

NCAA Committee "To avoid a potential conflict of interest, committee members must leave the room when their own school is being discussed - or schools in the case of the conference commissioners. The member may be invited to answer factual questions regarding their team (e.g. status of player injuries). An athletic director may be present when other schools from his or her conference are discussed, but he or she may only speak if asked."

It's all politics. Just look at all the backroom dealings in conference realignment...I'll bet conference reps with teams on the bubble were less than complimentary when discussing other schools on the bubble that were direct competition to their own. The ACC reps got a chance to speak up against or discredit SMU (for the sake of NC State). That's the point - that an AAC rep wasn't given a chance to level the playing field.

Most MEMPHIS fans hoped for a 7 seed but some predicted the 8-9 line.

Louisville a 4 seed? Really? I had them a 3 at worst.

UConn and Cincinnati also pushed too damn far down the seed line.

Two things were deliberate, in-your-face screw jobs:
1) Not having SMU in the field of 64. That is flat out bull$h^t. Tennessee and Dayton in ahead of them? A10 with 6 bids? PAC12 with 6? B12 with 7?
2) MEMPHIS, Connecticut, and Cincinnati in the East Region? Sonuvabitch! Most conferences with 4 bids have those teams spread out across the four regions.

I want Louisville to win the Midwest and one of the three in the East to take that region. Obviously, I prefer it be MEMPHIS but with a collective 0-4 record against the Huskies and the Bearcats this season, I'll wait for the potential match-up in the Sweet 16. At least maybe the TIGERS can get their act together and take out GWU and then Virginia.

Im not happy about SMU but they did have a +50 RPI.

**** like this happens every year to good deserving teams.

(03-16-2014 06:23 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Look... No doubt. But this really isn't the time to toot the friggin' horn. I have been as down on The American as anybody. I am not even "surprised" at the crap tonight. But we got hosed, plain and simple. Do you really want to argue that the A-10 is a BETTER conference than The American? They got 6...SIX... bids to the tournament. The Big XII got 7...out of ten teams...in.

I'm with you guys on the lower than expected seeds the AAC tournament teams got. I don't know what happened there. But you're barking up the wrong tree with the number of bids the A10 got. Once St. Joseph's won the A10's AQ, the only A10 team that was anywhere near the bubble was Dayton, which was still a full 10 spots above SMU in RPI rank. Only two teams above Dayton in RPI were left out of tournament (Southern Miss and Toledo). Only two teams below SMU's 53rd place RPI ranking got into the tournament as at-large bids, and only just barely. NC State was 55th and Iowa 56th, and both had to settle for play-in games.

A valid argument can certainly be made as to how accurate the RPI is as a measure of quality, but the Selection Committee openly states that they use RPI when evaluating at-large bids, and everyone went into the season knowing that. SMU's OOC scheduling put them in a poor position to maximize RPI, even with an 11-2 OOC record. The best thing that can be said about SMU is they swept a good UConn team, and split with two other good teams in Cinci and Memphis. That's not bad. But Dayton "swept" 3 tournament teams and split with a 4th. A case can still be made for SMU over Dayton disregarding RPI, but even with the most biased view, do you really think SMU's resume is so much better than Dayton's that only corruption or incompetence could explain putting Dayton into the tournament? If not, I wouldn't call that getting "hosed." SMU probably just fell 1 game/a couple plays short in a 32 game season. You leave yourself vulnerable to that when you leave yourself on the bubble with a poor RPI rank.

Regardless, the number of teams a conference has in the tournament isn't really a direct measure of how good a conference is. It just means you have a certain number of teams above the minimum threshold for admission. You could get 8 teams in the tournament, but have them all be 11 and 12 seeds. Besides, the AAC has fewer teams total than the A10 to begin with. The AAC got 40% of its teams into the tournament, the A10 46%. Do you really have a beef with 6%, which probably came down to a handful of plays in an entire season? The seeds should be your beef, along with maybe NC State, or an Iowa team that lost 6 of its last 7.

Dayton should be in the NIT...SMU should be in the NCAAs...

Hopefully we beat the crap out of George Washington

Win the the tournament...

I knew SMU was in trouble. I just assumed C-USA's rep could have slipped a team in there. Its always comes down to who is in the room and avoiding certain red flags. I kept saying that SMU's RPI was too high and their non-conference was awful. In my view Green Bay, Belmont, and SMU should be in before Kansas State, Arizona State, and Iowa. As a Bearcat fan I know what it like to be in a very strong conference and one on the fringe of major conference status. All three of those schools were not good on the road, had a losing record against good teams, and were at best middle of the pack in their own leagues.

If Green Bay can beat Virginia but lose to Wisconsin on the road by three. They probably are good enough to compete in the tournament. SMU was 4-4 against the top part of the American. That should prove to committee that they are good enough to be in the tournament. On the other hand Iowa was 6-10 against top 100 competition with two bad loses. Overall Big Ten record was 9-10, that screams loser to me. Every Big Ten team had the same amount of top 100 wins as Iowa had. Just because a team plays is a power league and beats some of teams doesn't make them a tournament.

3 biggest mistakes of the committee were :

1. Leaving SMU out.
2. Putting 3 of the 4 AAC teams in one region.
3. Making Louisville a 4 seed. Should've been a 2 seed, IMO.

All 3 decisions were ridiculous.

Hope to see either Memphis or Cincinnati face UCONN in East regional final, Louisville make the Final Four from Midwest Region, & SMU win the NIT.

The only way to prove them wrong is to win.

temple used to be good in bb, they have to get back an we are a 4 team ncaa ea year, smu hopefully has turned the corner.

we got hosed because we are a top heavy league, we need temple back as a bb power

(03-16-2014 08:12 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 08:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 07:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Dick Vitale ‏@DickieV 7m

Big 12 has 7 teams in the Dance. / American Athletic Conference got a raw deal in seeding #NoRespect SMU was left out

I think that is DIRECTLY related to having no voice in the room.

You do realize the "voice" you are talking about is really a ludicrous argument.

NCAA Committee "To avoid a potential conflict of interest, committee members must leave the room when their own school is being discussed - or schools in the case of the conference commissioners. The member may be invited to answer factual questions regarding their team (e.g. status of player injuries). An athletic director may be present when other schools from his or her conference are discussed, but he or she may only speak if asked."

Thing is, when that guy leaves the room, do you think they are just dogging his team while he is gone, knowing THEY will have to leave when their team or conference mate is up? It is not a coincidence that teams with a member on the committee tend to always get better seeds than most predict. Like when George mason was picked as an at large when their AD was committe chair and no one predicted them in. Or now with wakes AD committee chair and UVA gets a number one seed and nc state gets in. These things do happen.