(03-17-2014 03:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:35 PM)Malachi Wrote:  Who's fault is that?

I guess it's Pastner's fault that he cannot convince kids to play for Memphis instead of Duke, KS, KY, NC, IN, UCLA, Ohio State.

That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.

CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

You can't prove that. You just can't. Not taking up for Cal either. His record, personally, in the eyes of the NCAA is cleaner than a bar of soap.

I will rephrase to satisfy your legal nuance.

MEMPHIS BASKETBALL WAS CONVICTED OF CHEATING WHILE CAL WAS THE COACH.

So was UMASS.

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I guess it's Pastner's fault that he cannot convince kids to play for Memphis instead of Duke, KS, KY, NC, IN, UCLA, Ohio State.

That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.


CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

You can't prove that. You just can't. Not taking up for Cal either. His record, personally, in the eyes of the NCAA is cleaner than a bar of soap.

I will rephrase to satisfy your legal nuance.


MEMPHIS BASKETBALL WAS CONVICTED OF CHEATING WHILE CAL WAS THE COACH. So was UMASS.

How was Cal supposed to know rose's handlers were going to have someone else take the test? Cal didn't take the test for him.

That's the players fault. Can't blame the coach for that.

(03-17-2014 03:53 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.


CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

You can't prove that. You just can't. Not taking up for Cal either. His record, personally, in the eyes of the NCAA is cleaner than a bar of soap.

I will rephrase to satisfy your legal nuance.

<b>MEMPHIS BASKETBALL WAS CONVICTED OF CHEATING WHILE CAL WAS THE COACH. </b>
So was UMASS.

How was Cal supposed to know rose's handlers were going to have someone else take the test? Cal didn't take the test for him.

That's the players fault. Can't blame the coach for that.

Would you be interested in purchasing some cheap, beach front property? Great location near Boise, ID.

(03-17-2014 03:53 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.


CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

You can't prove that. You just can't. Not taking up for Cal either. His record, personally, in the eyes of the NCAA is cleaner than a bar of soap.

I will rephrase to satisfy your legal nuance.


MEMPHIS BASKETBALL WAS CONVICTED OF CHEATING WHILE CAL WAS THE COACH. So was UMASS.

How was Cal supposed to know rose's handlers were going to have someone else take the test? Cal didn't take the test for him.

That's the players fault. Can't blame the coach for that.

Seriously?

soft coach = soft team. And Ill leave it at that

(03-17-2014 02:24 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:15 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  Maybe you're overrating our recruiting classes. Rivals says we had a top 5 class in 2010, but we only have 2 players left from that class. They included Kendrick in their assessment, so who knows where we would have ranked if they'd just included the guys who actually stayed a full year. They don't have our classes of '11 or '12 ranked very high at all. They did rank our '13 class high. Of course of these freshmen players from '13, 2 are red-shirting. We get very good players - no complaints from me -but it's the same 5-6 teams who yearly get the guys who would have normally gone straight to the pros. The last guy we had like that was probably E Williams.

I haven't overranked them, the recruiting services ranked them. Now, we can't go back in hindsight and say "well, these players weren't as good as advertised" after they have underperformed in the program, and then assume that the underperformances were solely due to the players, especially seeing that there is consistent underperformance of highly ranked players and classes over multiple recruiting years. We also would have to question the coaching and player development within the program itself. Cal doesn't win big every year, but he has proven he can, and he has. Pastner has never won anything, whether his classes were top 3 , top 5, or top 100.

Well, first, you're saying highly ranked classes for 2 non-consecutive years constitutes "multiple" years. Second, the second of those highly ranked classes are just freshmen this year. Third, I wouldn't go so far as to say they have never won anything.

Now, I'm not going to argue that Pastner is equal to Cal - certainly not in recruiting (Cal having the number 1 or 2 ranked class 5 out of the last 5 years) - but I think Pastner has done a good job of keeping Memphis relevant. He's also been a top notch citizen and rep for the school There might be a small number of guys who could have done what he's done - don't know. I do know that after every NCAA tournament there's some coach or two who takes his underdog team to the final 8 or 4 and becomes the "flavor-of-the-month" coach. Several of these guys have often taken jobs at bigger schools and faded into oblivion - not ranked, not relevant, not even getting into the tournament. I don't think Cal is coming back, and I don't think we're getting Izzo or Krzyzewski. Who would you like to see replace Pastner?

(03-17-2014 03:53 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:42 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.


CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

You can't prove that. You just can't. Not taking up for Cal either. His record, personally, in the eyes of the NCAA is cleaner than a bar of soap.

I will rephrase to satisfy your legal nuance.


MEMPHIS BASKETBALL WAS CONVICTED OF CHEATING WHILE CAL WAS THE COACH. So was UMASS.

How was Cal supposed to know rose's handlers were going to have someone else take the test? Cal didn't take the test for him.

That's the players fault. Can't blame the coach for that.

The NCAA didn't; they blamed and punished the university.

The player and the coach left quickly to pocket millions of dollars.

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:35 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:30 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Paster has never had a "great" player. Continue the hype as you see fit.

Who's fault is that?

I guess it's Pastner's fault that he cannot convince kids to play for Memphis instead of Duke, KS, KY, NC, IN, UCLA, Ohio State.

That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.


CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

the ncaa never proved anything, but i'm glad to see you're so willing to take their word for it.

I played ball in 80's and each player was told what and what not to do.. A player (one player) can cause a School to get in serious trouble, probation, whatever.. The School can get in serious trouble as well as the Coach without even knowing what went on.. I'm not saying Cal didn't know what happened in both cases (probably did) but as far as the NCAA is concerned he was never caught doing anything.. The NCAA accused Rose and Marcus Camby so the the Schools took the Punishment..If Cal would have been caught being involved he would not have gotten the Ky job or any other job for that matter..


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Yep way back in 82 thru 86


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(03-17-2014 05:09 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I played ball in 80's and each player was told what and what not to do.

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Is that you in your avatar pic playing for Memphis?

(03-17-2014 05:14 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Yep way back in 82 thru 86


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Cool!

(03-17-2014 05:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:09 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I played ball in 80's and each player was told what and what not to do.

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Is that you in your avatar pic playing for Memphis?

Dang my post messed up but yea that's me 82 thru 86


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(03-17-2014 05:15 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:09 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I played ball in 80's and each player was told what and what not to do.

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Is that you in your avatar pic playing for Memphis?

Dang my post messed up but yea that's me 82 thru 86


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Nah it wasn't yours it was my post that messed up. I thought I had doubled posted it so I deleted it, realized it didn't double post, re-posted it, only to see you had already responded. Looks like you anticipated my question in advance lol.

(03-17-2014 05:19 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:15 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 05:09 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I played ball in 80's and each player was told what and what not to do.

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Is that you in your avatar pic playing for Memphis?

Dang my post messed up but yea that's me 82 thru 86


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Nah it wasn't yours it was my post that messed up. I thought I had doubled posted it so I deleted it, realized it didn't double post, re-posted it, only to see you had already responded. Looks like you anticipated my question in advance lol.

I know I looked and said what in the world:)


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(03-16-2014 05:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Honestly most kids speak like Cronin...

So the coach speaking like the players normally do doesn't bother me as long as he understands when to do it. You gotta know what buttons to push and if that is cussing your players out that should be in the bag...Encouragement should be in your bag...Playing time should be in your bag...Intersquad competition should be in your bag...on and on.

*most* kids is a relative term. My first career was working with youth and there are groups of all different types...we tend to lump *most in with what our individual experiences are...kids change based on groups surrounding them if exposed long enough. I just finished a weeklong national tournament with kids from 9-19 and can say most there did not

(03-17-2014 04:51 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:03 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:52 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 02:35 PM)Malachi Wrote:  Who's fault is that?

I guess it's Pastner's fault that he cannot convince kids to play for Memphis instead of Duke, KS, KY, NC, IN, UCLA, Ohio State.

That may be a big problem then. Cal didn't have any issues doing that, so would you say that's a direct reflection of the coach's ability to sell our program? And himself?

Have you forgotten, our NCAA appeared was voided. CAL cheated. How hard is that for you to understand.


CAL WON AT MEMPHIS BECAUSE HE CHEATED.

the ncaa never proved anything, but i'm glad to see you're so willing to take their word for it.

Because we were smart enough(hard to believe) to not press the issue. Otherwise more junk from the trunk would have been revealed.