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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
(03-28-2014 12:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Isn't it 500 million for 12 years, or 41.7 per year(4.17 mil)? It'd go up to 600 million for 12 years- or 50 per year(same 4.17 mil per school).

Where extra teams could help is extra tourney units. This is something that is going to be interesting...
this year, we're getting paid for 35 units
next year, 34 units
2016 27+ # of units for the 2015 tourney
2017 23+ 2015/16 tourney
2018 17+ 2015/17 tourney
2019 12+ 2015/18 tourney
2020 6+ 2015/19 tourney

right now units are roughly 250k. So this year we're getting 8.75 million in NCAA money. Next year 8.5 million.

Question - where did their units come from this year? I thought all the talk was they surrendered their NCAA units to the old Big East/American Conference.
03-30-2014 04:31 PM
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
(03-30-2014 04:31 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  
(03-28-2014 12:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Isn't it 500 million for 12 years, or 41.7 per year(4.17 mil)? It'd go up to 600 million for 12 years- or 50 per year(same 4.17 mil per school).

Where extra teams could help is extra tourney units. This is something that is going to be interesting...
this year, we're getting paid for 35 units
next year, 34 units
2016 27+ # of units for the 2015 tourney
2017 23+ 2015/16 tourney
2018 17+ 2015/17 tourney
2019 12+ 2015/18 tourney
2020 6+ 2015/19 tourney

right now units are roughly 250k. So this year we're getting 8.75 million in NCAA money. Next year 8.5 million.

Question - where did their units come from this year? I thought all the talk was they surrendered their NCAA units to the old Big East/American Conference.

we kept all the ones that we had previously earned ourselves. What we gave up was like all the ones that Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame had earned...
03-30-2014 09:54 PM
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
The Big East doesn't need more good programs to be successful and get more bids.

The Big East actually needs two more BAD TEAMS to get more bids.

The problem this season was that teams 3 through 8 beat the crap out of each other.


The Top 7 of the Big East were 77-59 in conference play (The 10 teams had to combined for 90-90)
The Top 7 of the Atlantic 10 were 75-37 in conference play, because they had Bona, LaSalle, URI, Duquesne, George Mason, and Fordham (the 13 teams had to combined for 104-104).


Let's say the Big East had St. Bonaventure (East, 4-12) and Duquesne (West, 2-14) and played 16 conference games in an East/West schedule.

First off, the 10 Big East schools have 2 more OOC games each. Let's say they bring in someone crappy and pummel them.
Secondly, the Big East Tournament now is a 12-team format (trying to be as true to actual results as I can) and Providence wins over Xavier. The BE looks like this:

Overall on Selection Sunday (Conf / OOC / BET)
Nova 30-3 (15-1 / 14-1 / 1-1) NCAA
Crei 25-6 (13-3 / 12-2 / 0-1) NCAA
Xav 24-9 (11-5 / 11-3 / 2-1) NCAA, R64
Prov 25-10 (9-7 / 12-3 / 4-0) NCAA, R64 AUTO
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SJU 23-10 (10-6 / 12-3 / 1-1) instead of 20-12
GTown 21-11 (9-7 / 11-3 / 1-1) instead of 17-14
Marq 20-13 (9-7 / 10-5 / 1-1) instead of 17-15
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Hall 18-15 (6-10 / 11-4 / 1-1)
Butler 14-16 (4-12 / 9-6 / 0-1)
Bona 13-17 (4-12 / 9-4 / 0-1)
DePaul 12-20 (3-13 / 9-6 / 0-1)
Duquesne 10-20 (2-14 / 8-5 / 0-1)

That's probably 5-7 bids instead of 4.
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2014 02:59 PM by JPSchmack.)
03-31-2014 02:57 PM
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
(03-31-2014 02:57 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  The Big East doesn't need more good programs to be successful and get more bids.

The Big East actually needs two more BAD TEAMS to get more bids.

The problem this season was that teams 3 through 8 beat the crap out of each other.


The Top 7 of the Big East were 77-59 in conference play (The 10 teams had to combined for 90-90)
The Top 7 of the Atlantic 10 were 75-37 in conference play, because they had Bona, LaSalle, URI, Duquesne, George Mason, and Fordham (the 13 teams had to combined for 104-104).


Let's say the Big East had St. Bonaventure (East, 4-12) and Duquesne (West, 2-14) and played 16 conference games in an East/West schedule.

First off, the 10 Big East schools have 2 more OOC games each. Let's say they bring in someone crappy and pummel them.
Secondly, the Big East Tournament now is a 12-team format (trying to be as true to actual results as I can) and Providence wins over Xavier. The BE looks like this:

Overall on Selection Sunday (Conf / OOC / BET)
Nova 30-3 (15-1 / 14-1 / 1-1) NCAA
Crei 25-6 (13-3 / 12-2 / 0-1) NCAA
Xav 24-9 (11-5 / 11-3 / 2-1) NCAA, R64
Prov 25-10 (9-7 / 12-3 / 4-0) NCAA, R64 AUTO
---
SJU 23-10 (10-6 / 12-3 / 1-1) instead of 20-12
GTown 21-11 (9-7 / 11-3 / 1-1) instead of 17-14
Marq 20-13 (9-7 / 10-5 / 1-1) instead of 17-15
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Hall 18-15 (6-10 / 11-4 / 1-1)
Butler 14-16 (4-12 / 9-6 / 0-1)
Bona 13-17 (4-12 / 9-4 / 0-1)
DePaul 12-20 (3-13 / 9-6 / 0-1)
Duquesne 10-20 (2-14 / 8-5 / 0-1)

That's probably 5-7 bids instead of 4.

Not likely- They treat the Big east Like AAC. SMU 23-9 (BPI 33, RPI 53) with 4 wins against ranked teams. Apparently beating up on the bottom 1/2 of the conference does not get you to far, But you could be right as both AAC and BE were ten team conferences(11 next year), maybe AAC needs more bottom feeders to beat up on.

That being said, maybe we both take a team or two and call it a day
(This post was last modified: 04-01-2014 09:41 PM by Piratelife4me.)
04-01-2014 09:37 PM
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
(04-01-2014 09:37 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  Not likely- They treat the Big east Like AAC. SMU 23-9 (BPI 33, RPI 53) with 4 wins against ranked teams. Apparently beating up on the bottom 1/2 of the conference does not get you to far, But you could be right as both AAC and BE were ten team conferences(11 next year), maybe AAC needs more bottom feeders to beat up on.

That being said, maybe we both take a team or two and call it a day

SMU had no quality wins out of conference and a OOC SOS over #220. Georgetown OOC #39, wins over Kansas State, VCU and Michigan State. Two more bottom feeder wins and they dance.

The difference between the A-10's top 7 and the Big East's top 7 was not very big at all. The Big East's might have been BETTER. But 5-6 of the A-10 went to the dance, and Big East's 5-6 went to the NIT.

Why? Because the Big East played the double-round robin and 5-6-7 lost too many times. It wasn't mathematically possible for all of the BE top seven to win enough games to dance.
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
(04-01-2014 10:51 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:37 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  Not likely- They treat the Big east Like AAC. SMU 23-9 (BPI 33, RPI 53) with 4 wins against ranked teams. Apparently beating up on the bottom 1/2 of the conference does not get you to far, But you could be right as both AAC and BE were ten team conferences(11 next year), maybe AAC needs more bottom feeders to beat up on.

That being said, maybe we both take a team or two and call it a day

SMU had no quality wins out of conference and a OOC SOS over #220. Georgetown OOC #39, wins over Kansas State, VCU and Michigan State. Two more bottom feeder wins and they dance.

The difference between the A-10's top 7 and the Big East's top 7 was not very big at all. The Big East's might have been BETTER. But 5-6 of the A-10 went to the dance, and Big East's 5-6 went to the NIT.

Why? Because the Big East played the double-round robin and 5-6-7 lost too many times. It wasn't mathematically possible for all of the BE top seven to win enough games to dance.

So add 2-4 schools and eliminate the double round robin. The line forms on the right.
04-04-2014 10:54 AM
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RE: Should the Big East go ahead and raid the A-10 and crush the competition?
(04-04-2014 10:54 AM)orangefan Wrote:  So add 2-4 schools and eliminate the double round robin. The line forms on the right.

Right, but if you take Dayton & Saint Louis, you're semi shooting yourself in the foot. You don't need two NCAA teams to get those extra bids, you just need two schools who will win some non-conference games.
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