I haven't voted in the poll that's part of this thread. That's because I didn't see any options I liked. Personally, a lot of this rotation idea seems to me just a way of making sure fans of every school are inconvenienced with some frequency.

How often was the BE tournament rotated? Did you guys make sure that fans in DC, Philly and New England got to have it in their backyard from time to time? How about Marquette, DePaul and Cincinnati fans?

Permanently in MSG.

(03-18-2014 12:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

NO!

Figures. But another has already acknowledged there would be some increased appeal.

I would certainly acknowledge that there would be a difference in appeal within some parts of ACC fandom. But nationally? I don't see it. I think there's some hubris in thinking that non-ACC fans care where we play our tournament. They'll watch it if their own conference tournament isn't on at the same time, and if our game is more appealing based on which teams are playing. But for the most part, this is an internal issue.

I don't think it's irrational to think games at Madison Square Garden, for instance, would have more national interest than a game at Greensboro Coliseum. Do you not think a game at Lambeau or Soldier Field would have more national appeal than the Georgia Dome?

When we are talking made-for-tv, neutral site games featuring marquee opponents, the venue absolutely plays a role in interest. I couldn't begin to determine how much additional interest, but to say it wouldn't exist is ignorant.

(03-18-2014 10:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't think it's irrational to think games at Madison Square Garden, for instance, would have more national interest than a game at Greensboro Coliseum. Do you not think a game at Lambeau or Soldier Field would have more national appeal than the Georgia Dome?

When we are talking made-for-tv, neutral site games featuring marquee opponents, the venue absolutely plays a role in interest. I couldn't begin to determine how much additional interest, but to say it wouldn't exist is ignorant.

I think this Forbes Article about how MSG tickets for the NCAAs are up over 60% more than any other regional site helps prove your point:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrenc...t-tickets/

Of course, as an Orange fan, my favorite part was this:

For 2014, the market has priced up the Eastern regionals higher than any regional round since we’ve been tracking the market. At an average price of $499, the Eastern regionals have such a high price point not because of who could be playing, but because where it will be played. 2014 marks the first time since 1961 that NCAA tournament tickets are available for sale at the venue many call ‘The Mecca of Basketball’, Madison Square Garden. While there’s a tremendous amount of anticipation for those games, since the brackets where finalized, prices have actually dropped 27%. Almost all of that can be attributed to Syracuse being placed in the South bracket as opposed to the East.

Still, even without SU, $499 average ticket price should tell everyone something about the worth MSG itself brings, regardless of game participants.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-18-2014 10:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 01:43 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Do NC ACCT fans acknowledge that there might be a perceivable difference in appeal nationally by playing in NYC (perhaps in the future MSG) over playing in NC (and in particular Greensboro)?

NO!

Figures. But another has already acknowledged there would be some increased appeal.

I would certainly acknowledge that there would be a difference in appeal within some parts of ACC fandom. But nationally? I don't see it. I think there's some hubris in thinking that non-ACC fans care where we play our tournament. They'll watch it if their own conference tournament isn't on at the same time, and if our game is more appealing based on which teams are playing. But for the most part, this is an internal issue.

I don't think it's irrational to think games at Madison Square Garden, for instance, would have more national interest than a game at Greensboro Coliseum. Do you not think a game at Lambeau or Soldier Field would have more national appeal than the Georgia Dome?

When we are talking made-for-tv, neutral site games featuring marquee opponents, the venue absolutely plays a role in interest. I couldn't begin to determine how much additional interest, but to say it wouldn't exist is ignorant.

I don't think you read my post. Do you think that fans in the midwest will watch Clemson play Miami instead of Michigan-Michigan State because the Clemson game is being played at MSG? Do you think more non-ACC fans will watch Syracuse play Duke at MSG than would watch them play at the Carrier Dome or Cameron Indoor Stadium? I don't.

We aren't talking about made-for-tv, neutral site regular season games. We're talking about a conference tournament that's competing for eyeballs with other conference tournaments being played at the same time. I believe basketball fans will make that decision based on who is playing rather than where they are playing.

Since moving it permanently to one location is not going to happen I would be happy with a 2 way split between NYC and NC. I don't see the need to take it to Atlanta, Chicago, DC or Florida.

(03-19-2014 09:18 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  Since moving it permanently to one location is not going to happen I would be happy with a 2 way split between NYC and NC. I don't see the need to take it to Atlanta, Chicago, DC or Florida.

+1. If Miami, FSU, GT and/or Clemson were big time basketball schools I'd say it needs to rotate through Atlanta, maybe even somewhere in FL. As it is, I can see an argument for DC, but not for Chicago. NYC and NC are by far the 2 best places, IMHO.

(03-19-2014 09:07 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 10:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 03:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  NO!

Figures. But another has already acknowledged there would be some increased appeal.

I would certainly acknowledge that there would be a difference in appeal within some parts of ACC fandom. But nationally? I don't see it. I think there's some hubris in thinking that non-ACC fans care where we play our tournament. They'll watch it if their own conference tournament isn't on at the same time, and if our game is more appealing based on which teams are playing. But for the most part, this is an internal issue.

I don't think it's irrational to think games at Madison Square Garden, for instance, would have more national interest than a game at Greensboro Coliseum. Do you not think a game at Lambeau or Soldier Field would have more national appeal than the Georgia Dome?

When we are talking made-for-tv, neutral site games featuring marquee opponents, the venue absolutely plays a role in interest. I couldn't begin to determine how much additional interest, but to say it wouldn't exist is ignorant.

I don't think you read my post. Do you think that fans in the midwest will watch Clemson play Miami instead of Michigan-Michigan State because the Clemson game is being played at MSG? Do you think more non-ACC fans will watch Syracuse play Duke at MSG than would watch them play at the Carrier Dome or Cameron Indoor Stadium? I don't.

We aren't talking about made-for-tv, neutral site regular season games. We're talking about a conference tournament that's competing for eyeballs with other conference tournaments being played at the same time. I believe basketball fans will make that decision based on who is playing rather than where they are playing.

Right, because a Clemson/Miami game will be going up against basketball stalwarts like Mich/Mich St frequently during the conference tournament time slots. Don't make up stupid arguments.

(03-19-2014 05:24 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 09:07 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 10:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:57 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2014 12:01 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Figures. But another has already acknowledged there would be some increased appeal.

I would certainly acknowledge that there would be a difference in appeal within some parts of ACC fandom. But nationally? I don't see it. I think there's some hubris in thinking that non-ACC fans care where we play our tournament. They'll watch it if their own conference tournament isn't on at the same time, and if our game is more appealing based on which teams are playing. But for the most part, this is an internal issue.

I don't think it's irrational to think games at Madison Square Garden, for instance, would have more national interest than a game at Greensboro Coliseum. Do you not think a game at Lambeau or Soldier Field would have more national appeal than the Georgia Dome?

When we are talking made-for-tv, neutral site games featuring marquee opponents, the venue absolutely plays a role in interest. I couldn't begin to determine how much additional interest, but to say it wouldn't exist is ignorant.

I don't think you read my post. Do you think that fans in the midwest will watch Clemson play Miami instead of Michigan-Michigan State because the Clemson game is being played at MSG? Do you think more non-ACC fans will watch Syracuse play Duke at MSG than would watch them play at the Carrier Dome or Cameron Indoor Stadium? I don't.

We aren't talking about made-for-tv, neutral site regular season games. We're talking about a conference tournament that's competing for eyeballs with other conference tournaments being played at the same time. I believe basketball fans will make that decision based on who is playing rather than where they are playing.

Right, because a Clemson/Miami game will be going up against basketball stalwarts like Mich/Mich St frequently during the conference tournament time slots. Don't make up stupid arguments.

I can't tell if you're joking or if you're always this obnoxious.