(04-30-2014 01:40 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Very thin analysis here...what was said by Withers and Brady regarding their teams? Anything of interest? Appreciate the feedback.

Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

(04-30-2014 01:45 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:16 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 12:50 PM)JMU Wrote:  Not sure I buy the money thing, either. What did the Carr report state exactly? My general memory is that while it costs more we make more under each of the three unnamed FBS conference examples than staying where in the CAA/FCS. The net effect is that financially we are better off in FBS.

Could be that money is #1 problem because of the large amounts of money that are needed to upgrade the Convo, which could help our cause? *grasping here*

In any case they're not making a good pitch to get people to open their wallets and give more based on the lack of open, transparent and clear communication on what the next steps are. If they said "we are having a capital campaign to get to FBS but we need your help to cover the $12M needed for a new Convo and fees to get there" they'd be well on their way.

So far we get the monitoring, talking to people and 'don't believe everything you read in the DNR' but no 'this is how we're going to get to FBS and this is what we need from our fans and alumni to help us get there'.

I think you're overreading into the money aspect. He just said it's most important, not that the convo specifically was THE problem or that we don't have the money. He just said it's the most important factor, which makes sense. Also, I don't think what they do or don't communicate in terms of fundraising even matters - the simple fact is JMU missed it's opportunity three years ago with CUSA and another one is just not available. JB stated that JMU is at the very top of the expansion list (i.e. well positioned), but there just isn't any desire for more FCS callups from anywhere we want to go. THAT is our problem, we don't have to go around inventing other problems.

Agreed, that is problem enough. I'm just trying apply reason to a situation that completely lacks reasoning.

Quote:Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcz_kDCBTBk

One other thing...BIG THANK YOU to whoever sponsored that event last night if you're reading. That was a big step up from our usual night at Boulevard Woodgrill/A-town Bar (cash bar, hors d'oeuvers, silent/live auction - fundraising type event). This was more classy and had almost a 'thank you, DC Members/we're sorry we F'ed up' kind of feel to it (full open bar, reception style dinner, more professional setting).

Oddly they only made one small mention about donations at the end.

3 NCAA runs in 4 years. Really?

that would be extremely helpful for making a conference move.

(04-30-2014 03:14 PM)GH86 Wrote:  3 NCAA runs in 4 years. Really?

Yes

Dalembert is now 6'11

Vodonovich has improved and is playing Rudy Tomjanovich

Kent can now do 10 push ups a day

Satkus could be a left handed Dirk Nowitzki

Our assistant coaches are now great

JMUMAKERSMARK

I'd say that Brady seemed a bit on the bitter side about the players that have tranferred. I do agree with his assessment of college basketball's current environment, though. So many players expect to be more than they are capable of being. Instead of being content to be a good--working to be a great--player, they think they should transfer to another school because that school is where they will excel. To many kids think they are owed something rather than working for it. Unfornately, people with influnce in their lives feed that entitlement troll.

Withers did get me excited like JMU4Life said, but we'll see. I'm very cautious with my optimism.

Bourne proceeded to tell us that Alger is too scared to piss off the faculty to make a jump to FBS right now. The thinking is that the faculty needs to be made "un-butthurt" before we can entertain a move and we need to build a new Convo. But, apparently for a school NOT moving up; we are in the best possible position we can be in.

(04-30-2014 01:51 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:40 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Very thin analysis here...what was said by Withers and Brady regarding their teams? Anything of interest? Appreciate the feedback.

Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

The bolded part is true as well. Good to see the emphasis being placed again on NOVA

(04-30-2014 04:46 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I'd say that Brady seemed a bit on the bitter side about the players that have tranferred. I do agree with his assessment of college basketball's current environment, though. So many players expect to be more than they are capable of being. Instead of being content to be a good--working to be a great--player, they think they should transfer to another school because that school is where they will excel. To many kids think they are owed something rather than working for it. Unfornately, people with influnce in their lives feed that entitlement troll.

Withers did get me excited like JMU4Life said, but we'll see. I'm very cautious with my optimism.

Bourne proceeded to tell us that Alger is too scared to piss off the faculty to make a jump to FBS right now. The thinking is that the faculty needs to be made "un-butthurt" before we can entertain a move and we need to build a new Convo. But, apparently for a school NOT moving up; we are in the best possible position we can be in.

He's no Vince Lombardi on Leadership...

(04-30-2014 07:52 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(04-29-2014 09:43 PM)JMU4lifer Wrote:  Just got home from the caravan and I'm pumped up for football season. Coach Withers had a lot of energy when talking about the football team, which was very infectious. Not much was really said in terms of movement to FBS, but overall I thought the event was done very well.

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Bourne said #1 issue for moving up is money, #2 is academics and #3 is the desire to win in all sports. He said that FB and MBB are the marquee programs for national recognition but they value the softball and WBB just as much in the admin. Everything else was just rah rah BS about us being next in line if any of the conferences ever decide to expand again, yadda yadda yadda...

Oh and hate to burst your bubble, JMUSuperfan, but he did mention AAC, along with the ACC and SEC, as conferences that they talk to all the time in spite of us not ever going to move to one of them so that we're well connected to what's going on in the larger NCAA scheme of things.

What he is saying is we may be just monitoring the situation but we're damn good at it. We're like the NSA we monitor EVERYBODY.

So you are saying there is a chance (AAC). Ha


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I would love to hear the conversation between Jeff Bourne and Mike Slive....'s secretary's secretary. As a former Deans List student athlete, everytime JB opens his mouth he insults my/our intelligence and my interest for my alma mater diminishes. My money is headed to my graduate school this year, I'm done feeding the BS machine.

(04-30-2014 05:49 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:51 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:40 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Very thin analysis here...what was said by Withers and Brady regarding their teams? Anything of interest? Appreciate the feedback.

Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

The bolded part is true as well. Good to see the emphasis being placed again on NOVA

I'd never heard any of this. Why would that be? Isn't a large percentage of our students each year still coming from NoVa? I know they are, so is the rep about football bad? That has to be pissed off HS head coaches, why would that be? Curious.

(04-30-2014 04:46 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I'd say that Brady seemed a bit on the bitter side about the players that have tranferred. I do agree with his assessment of college basketball's current environment, though. So many players expect to be more than they are capable of being. Instead of being content to be a good--working to be a great--player, they think they should transfer to another school because that school is where they will excel. To many kids think they are owed something rather than working for it. Unfornately, people with influnce in their lives feed that entitlement troll.

Withers did get me excited like JMU4Life said, but we'll see. I'm very cautious with my optimism.

Bourne proceeded to tell us that Alger is too scared to piss off the faculty to make a jump to FBS right now. The thinking is that the faculty needs to be made "un-butthurt" before we can entertain a move and we need to build a new Convo. But, apparently for a school NOT moving up; we are in the best possible position we can be in.

They are obviously entitled to transfer and think there is a better fit for them somewhere else. The team lacked leadership last year that is clear- some of that is on the coaches- some the product of a young roster where the only upper classman probably had trouble relating to the other players on the team. I just wonder about Cooke- I posted that quote from the post game Indiana JMU press conference where they talked about passing the torch and the future. Cooke had an opportunity to be a leader on and off the floor- if he didn't like what his roommates or teammates were doing he could have been more vocal during the season. He's obviously a hard worker but of the believe that people around him need to push him harder- I think he's selling himself short- its not the people around you it's what's inside you. Furthermore he could have been part of the solution by pushing those around him to be better not just looking for someone to push him. It was all in front of him.

(04-30-2014 06:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 05:49 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:51 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:40 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Very thin analysis here...what was said by Withers and Brady regarding their teams? Anything of interest? Appreciate the feedback.

Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

The bolded part is true as well. Good to see the emphasis being placed again on NOVA

I'd never heard any of this. Why would that be? Isn't a large percentage of our students each year still coming from NoVa? I know they are, so is the rep about football bad? That has to be pissed off HS head coaches, why would that be? Curious.

More so coaching staff had bad relationships with those schools. Definitely has been a change though lately under Withers that is noticeable

(04-30-2014 01:45 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  I think you're overreading into the money aspect. He just said it's most important, not that the convo specifically was THE problem or that we don't have the money. He just said it's the most important factor, which makes sense. Also, I don't think what they do or don't communicate in terms of fundraising even matters - the simple fact is JMU missed it's opportunity three years ago with CUSA and another one is just not available. JB stated that JMU is at the very top of the expansion list (i.e. well positioned), but there just isn't any desire for more FCS callups from anywhere we want to go. THAT is our problem, we don't have to go around inventing other problems.

There is no opportunity available because JMU's current and previous admin did everything in its power to ensure that no more opportunities were available before "considering a move". JMU only commissioned a feasibility study once it was clear that the Sun Belt was our only option. Truly a pathetic lack of leadership demonstrated by absolutely worthless people.

Linwood Rose must be laughing his a$$ off from home these days. He did everything he could to destroy JMU athletics on his way out the door, and he succeeded. Well done, Linwood. Well done.

(04-30-2014 07:36 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 06:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 05:49 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:51 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:40 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Very thin analysis here...what was said by Withers and Brady regarding their teams? Anything of interest? Appreciate the feedback.

Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

The bolded part is true as well. Good to see the emphasis being placed again on NOVA

I'd never heard any of this. Why would that be? Isn't a large percentage of our students each year still coming from NoVa? I know they are, so is the rep about football bad? That has to be pissed off HS head coaches, why would that be? Curious.

More so coaching staff had bad relationships with those schools. Definitely has been a change though lately under Withers that is noticeable

How do you know there is a noticeable change? Withers got off on the wrong foot with a lot of NOVA coaches when he yanked Cameron Skaff's scholarship. I would say he has some PR building to do. I don't think he is held in very high regard by the coaches at Skaff;s high school.

One of my roommates from JMU has a younger brother that is a coach at a large NOVA HS, he emailed us to say how excited the coaches in NOVA were about Withers and his staff. His team has 12 DI prospects, and for the first time since he's been coaching there they are hoping to push 3-4 of those to look at JMU. That's anecdotal, though I'm sure coaches in that region know each other and talk just like they do in every other sport in every other region.

As for the previous staff, this particular coach says the message they always got is that players from NOVA were generally soft. Sort of like the coach from Tidewater who says the message was players from down there couldn't finish school. Or the multiple times the message was delivered in Central VA that JMU was only interested if you played in the district with the "black" schools. All of it was probably delivered "tongue in cheek", but regardless there clearly have been coaches and recruits that received a message over the years that was not one that JMU football necessarily wanted. Most every comment relayed to me came directly from MM mouth, and not his staff.

(05-01-2014 05:55 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 07:36 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 06:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 05:49 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:51 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

The bolded part is true as well. Good to see the emphasis being placed again on NOVA

I'd never heard any of this. Why would that be? Isn't a large percentage of our students each year still coming from NoVa? I know they are, so is the rep about football bad? That has to be pissed off HS head coaches, why would that be? Curious.

More so coaching staff had bad relationships with those schools. Definitely has been a change though lately under Withers that is noticeable

How do you know there is a noticeable change? Withers got off on the wrong foot with a lot of NOVA coaches when he yanked Cameron Skaff's scholarship. I would say he has some PR building to do. I don't think he is held in very high regard by the coaches at Skaff;s high school.

Skaff's coach at Battlefield was Mark Cox, perhaps the most legendary schoolboy QB in state history. His Annandale team was ranked #1 in the nation in 1978. Very well connected w/in the VA coaching circles. It would do us well to mend that fence.

(05-01-2014 05:55 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 07:36 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 06:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 05:49 PM)RootinFerDukes Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 01:51 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  Brady said he thinks Hall is the best freshman player recruited to JMU in a long, long time and that Sterling is a more talented version of Cooke. He talked about the transfer epidemic generally and stated he thinks Bessick and Cooke are both getting bad advice and will miss out on 3 NCAA runs in 4 years. He basically said everything he's doing in recruiting/transfers is focused on becoming a better shooting team. Obviously he was super high on Curry and talked about his incredible improvement as a player and leader. Also still seems hopeful about Nation.

Withers talked about what a bad rep JMU had in NoVa and how they had four coaches focused on this area alone to turn that around. Obviously he talked about JUICE, but beyond QB didn't get into specific player issues other than to say their goal is to have competition at all times at every position and that no one should ever be comfortable. Good stuff about their academic structure with the color-tiered system for each player. Basically the better your grades, the higher tier you compete your way into and the less micro-managing the coaches and tutors do to you.

The bolded part is true as well. Good to see the emphasis being placed again on NOVA

I'd never heard any of this. Why would that be? Isn't a large percentage of our students each year still coming from NoVa? I know they are, so is the rep about football bad? That has to be pissed off HS head coaches, why would that be? Curious.

More so coaching staff had bad relationships with those schools. Definitely has been a change though lately under Withers that is noticeable

How do you know there is a noticeable change? Withers got off on the wrong foot with a lot of NOVA coaches when he yanked Cameron Skaff's scholarship. I would say he has some PR building to do. I don't think he is held in very high regard by the coaches at Skaff;s high school.

And in other schools he's held in a high regard.