There's 5 major selectors for All-Americans: Sports Illustrated, US Basketball Writers Association, AP, Sporting News, and National Association of Basketball Coaches. Generally the "consensus All-Americans" are based on the consensus of these 5 groups.

So far, Kilpatrick is on the 1st team All-American list for SI and TSN. 2nd team for USBWA. Still waiting on AP and NABC.

Right now there are 3 players who have made all 3 teams: McDermott (who will probably win POY), Parker from Duke, and Louisville's Russ Smith. Arizona's Nick Johnson, UConn's Shabazz Napier, and Kilpatrick are each on 2 of the teams. So that's 6 players for 5 spots (unless there's a tie).

Personally I think he should be a first team All-American. But it'll be close.

Do you have a reference for this? Wikipedia says SI is not one. That there's only 4

There are only 4.

Don't know about you guys but the only one that matters to me is the AP vote. That's the only one that is talked and reported about nationally.

(03-13-2014 09:42 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Don't know about you guys but the only one that matters to me is the AP vote. That's the only one that is talked and reported about nationally.

What matters to me is the reward to SK, no matter the publication, and
the enhancement to recruiting for UC.

(03-12-2014 06:43 PM)payday Wrote:  Do you have a reference for this? Wikipedia says SI is not one. That there's only 4

I stand corrected.

NBC and USA Today both have Kilpatrick as a 1st team All-American. Both of them have 3 AAC players on the 1st team.

Consensus All-American info: The consensus picks are determined by assigning 3 points for first team, 2 for second, and 1 for third (if there is one). The top five plus ties are named consensus first team; the next five plus ties are second team. Here's what the standings look like, with the AP picks still to come:

9 - Nick Johnson, Arizona

9 - Doug McDermott, Creighton

9 - Jabari Parker, Duke

8 - Shabazz Napier, UConn

8 - Russ Smith, Louisville

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7 - Sean Kilpatrick, Cincinnati

6 - Andrew Wiggins, Kansas

5 - Nik Stauskas, Michigan

4 - Cleanthony Early, Wichita State

4 - C.J. Fair, Syracuse

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3 - T.J. Warren, North Carolina State

2 - Melvin Ejim, Iowa State

2 - Marcus Paige, North Carolina

2 - Fred VanVleet, Wichita State

2 - Scottie Wilbekin, Florida

Why do I get the felling he's about to get screwed again? : /

The early tournament exit is going to hurt on the last one. Smith and Napier will be helped by still playing.

(03-26-2014 11:06 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Why do I get the felling he's about to get screwed again? : /

Everyone, including SK, knew what he was up against when Nick Johnson got the call over him in one of the all american lists. The reality is that he needed a monster tourney to play his way onto the list. At this point, he's too far behind Jabari Parker for consideration (McDermott's media hype machine makes him virtually untouchable).

(03-26-2014 11:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:06 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Why do I get the felling he's about to get screwed again? : /

Everyone, including SK, knew what he was up against when Nick Johnson got the call over him in one of the all american lists. The reality is that he needed a monster tourney to play his way onto the list. At this point, he's too far behind Jabari Parker for consideration (McDermott's media hype machine makes him virtually untouchable).

Johnson I get, best player on one of the best teams in the country from day one. Stauskus as a first teamer makes no sense in any rational universe

Where are the players from the Big Least on this list?

(03-26-2014 03:37 PM)Mopper Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:06 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Why do I get the felling he's about to get screwed again? : /

Everyone, including SK, knew what he was up against when Nick Johnson got the call over him in one of the all american lists. The reality is that he needed a monster tourney to play his way onto the list. At this point, he's too far behind Jabari Parker for consideration (McDermott's media hype machine makes him virtually untouchable).

Johnson I get, best player on one of the best teams in the country from day one. Stauskus as a first teamer makes no sense in any rational universe

Well, he did win B1G POY, his team is still alive, and his offensive efficiency is WAAAYYYYY better than SK's, and yes, I know SK has had to do more with less...but to say Stauskas isn't conceivably a fringe 1st Team AA is in itself irrational.

(03-26-2014 03:44 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Where are the players from the Big Least on this list?

McDermott.

Oops - yup - you're right.

(03-26-2014 03:57 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:37 PM)Mopper Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:06 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Why do I get the felling he's about to get screwed again? : /

Everyone, including SK, knew what he was up against when Nick Johnson got the call over him in one of the all american lists. The reality is that he needed a monster tourney to play his way onto the list. At this point, he's too far behind Jabari Parker for consideration (McDermott's media hype machine makes him virtually untouchable).

Johnson I get, best player on one of the best teams in the country from day one. Stauskus as a first teamer makes no sense in any rational universe

Well, he did win B1G POY, his team is still alive, and his offensive efficiency is WAAAYYYYY better than SK's, and yes, I know SK has had to do more with less...but to say Stauskas isn't conceivably a fringe 1st Team AA is in itself irrational.

His offensive efficiency should be better, he's a better shooter on a team filled with them and he didn't have to carry an offense for the entire season. Among the players who have received all america nods from the consensus publications only Jabari Parker, Doug McBuckets, Russ Smith and Shabazz have posted efficiency numbers as good or better than SK's while carrying as much of the offense as SK did. Stauskas has off the charts efficiency and is a player I genuinely enjoy watching, but he didn't have to carry their offense for 34 games.

(03-26-2014 05:35 PM)Mopper Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:57 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:37 PM)Mopper Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:06 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Why do I get the felling he's about to get screwed again? : /

Everyone, including SK, knew what he was up against when Nick Johnson got the call over him in one of the all american lists. The reality is that he needed a monster tourney to play his way onto the list. At this point, he's too far behind Jabari Parker for consideration (McDermott's media hype machine makes him virtually untouchable).

Johnson I get, best player on one of the best teams in the country from day one. Stauskus as a first teamer makes no sense in any rational universe

Well, he did win B1G POY, his team is still alive, and his offensive efficiency is WAAAYYYYY better than SK's, and yes, I know SK has had to do more with less...but to say Stauskas isn't conceivably a fringe 1st Team AA is in itself irrational.

His offensive efficiency should be better, he's a better shooter on a team filled with them and he didn't have to carry an offense for the entire season. Among the players who have received all america nods from the consensus publications only Jabari Parker, Doug McBuckets, Russ Smith and Shabazz have posted efficiency numbers as good or better than SK's while carrying as much of the offense as SK did. Stauskas has off the charts efficiency and is a player I genuinely enjoy watching, but he didn't have to carry their offense for 34 games.

Please note, I did say SK had to do a lot more with less. I was sheerly making the point that Stauskas could make sense as a 1st teamer due to his résumé, execution, and talent level on a very high quality team. I think SK is more deserving because he had arguably a better statistical year with a MUCH worse supporting cast, but I was more speaking to your point that Stauskas as a first teamed makes "no sense in any rational universe".

SK won't make first team because UC blew the NCAA tournament. Its that plain and simple. McDermott is a no-brainer. Jabari Parker is the best all-around player in the country not named McDermott. And Johnson, Smith, and Napier are all still playing. SK was already on that border line between 1st and 2nd team so he absolutely needed a good tourney to move himself solidly onto that 1st team.

I'm fine with SK being 2nd team all american. would have had him first a month ago but though great, was not nearly as aggressive down the stretch and I think that cost him.

(03-26-2014 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 05:35 PM)Mopper Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:57 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 03:37 PM)Mopper Wrote:  

(03-26-2014 11:18 AM)eroc Wrote:  Everyone, including SK, knew what he was up against when Nick Johnson got the call over him in one of the all american lists. The reality is that he needed a monster tourney to play his way onto the list. At this point, he's too far behind Jabari Parker for consideration (McDermott's media hype machine makes him virtually untouchable).

Johnson I get, best player on one of the best teams in the country from day one. Stauskus as a first teamer makes no sense in any rational universe

Well, he did win B1G POY, his team is still alive, and his offensive efficiency is WAAAYYYYY better than SK's, and yes, I know SK has had to do more with less...but to say Stauskas isn't conceivably a fringe 1st Team AA is in itself irrational.

His offensive efficiency should be better, he's a better shooter on a team filled with them and he didn't have to carry an offense for the entire season. Among the players who have received all america nods from the consensus publications only Jabari Parker, Doug McBuckets, Russ Smith and Shabazz have posted efficiency numbers as good or better than SK's while carrying as much of the offense as SK did. Stauskas has off the charts efficiency and is a player I genuinely enjoy watching, but he didn't have to carry their offense for 34 games.

Please note, I did say SK had to do a lot more with less. I was sheerly making the point that Stauskas could make sense as a 1st teamer due to his résumé, execution, and talent level on a very high quality team. I think SK is more deserving because he had arguably a better statistical year with a MUCH worse supporting cast, but I was more speaking to your point that Stauskas as a first teamed makes "no sense in any rational universe".

noted. My tendency to get hyperbolic got the best of me there