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RE: 30 For 30 "Requiem for the Big East"
The other thing I had forgotten was that Dave Gavitt died on the day Syracuse and Pitt had announced they were leaving.
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(03-16-2014 11:37 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  They basically blamed football for the destruction of the conference. It was well done, but they pretty much glossed over the history of the conference post-2000. They did have a good quip from Rick Pitino talking about how the "room had changed" when he returned to the conference with Louisville, referring to how all the ADs and presidents were in solidarity in meeting rooms, "but the second they left the room, they were on the phone with the ACC, B1G, or anyone who would take them to get out."

The dig on WVU was pretty funny. They played some banjo music and showed a black and white photo of a shanty while they had some coach saying "I didn't sign up for the Big East to go to West Virginia."

pretty sure they said "I didn't sign up for the Big East to go to morgantown"......but yeah you nailed how it was portrayed.

IMO this will be one of the more talked about points of the film.
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RE: 30 For 30 "Requiem for the Big East"
(03-16-2014 11:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(03-16-2014 11:04 PM)megadrone Wrote:  I watched it as well. the rise of the Big East was well documented. Then they spent 10 minutes of the 2 hours talking about football and the different dynamics/income and how the nature of the business changed. Paraphrasing, basically the BIg East wasn't one big happy family anymore, and that's why it fell apart.

OK, and now we now that Seton Hall, St. John's and Georgetown voted against State Penn in '82.

did it name those 3?????
NO, it said the vote was 5-3 along football lines. The Georgetown AD was on the special and basically said he didn't want to make football his school's problem. Seton Hall didn't vote for any football expansions.
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(03-16-2014 11:43 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(03-16-2014 11:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(03-16-2014 11:04 PM)megadrone Wrote:  I watched it as well. the rise of the Big East was well documented. Then they spent 10 minutes of the 2 hours talking about football and the different dynamics/income and how the nature of the business changed. Paraphrasing, basically the BIg East wasn't one big happy family anymore, and that's why it fell apart.

OK, and now we now that Seton Hall, St. John's and Georgetown voted against State Penn in '82.

did it name those 3?????
NO, it said the vote was 5-3 along football lines. The Georgetown AD was on the special and basically said he didn't want to make football his school's problem. Seton Hall didn't vote for any football expansions.

syracuse got so much **** for supposedly voting no against PSU.
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RE: 30 For 30 "Requiem for the Big East"
Memphis State also got mentioned with the potential "MEGA METRO" idea of a football playing Metro Conference.
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Not bringing in Penn St. was the single worst decision they ever made.
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(03-16-2014 11:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Not bringing in Penn St. was the single worst decision they ever made.

worst realignment decisions
1. georgia tech leaving the SEC
2. Big East not adding penn state
3. colorado joining the b12
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^ Tulane leaving the SEC
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(03-17-2014 12:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ Tulane leaving the SEC

that was a deemphasizing sports move not so much a conference realignment move.
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(03-17-2014 12:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(03-17-2014 12:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ Tulane leaving the SEC

that was a deemphasizing sports move not so much a conference realignment move.

No it wasn't.

We wanted to play a national schedule and the SEC (and conferences in general) was not then what it is today. Horrible decision in hindsight, but college football was 100% different animal then.
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The worst mistake for Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova to have Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the conference first place. The should have Duquesne and St. Bonaventure in the conference instead.
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(03-16-2014 11:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  WVU: they did get jabbed. the only real mention came halfway though and was a very very insulting comment. the only other reference towards the end was a picture of geno smith

uconn: while cal got lots of camera time although significantly less than all the other coaches. most of his comments were about syracuse, georgetown, and the big east. almost non existent coverage of uconn with the exception of a lil comment "they were in the middle of nowhere but we decided that we wanted them" to explain uconn's addition to the league and occasionally showed uconn footage along with seton hall, sju, cuse & gtown footage.

temple: the only school that did not get a single mention

pitt/BC: referenced in football but ignored in basketball

in conclusion: it was basically a provy, gtown, st johns, cuse, & nova, circle jerk talking about them 75% of the time. ESPN 10%, MSG 10% of the time, penn state and the evils of football 4% of the time, and everyone else fell into the last 1%.

and I know this board had a "which team was the heart & soul of the BE" debate awhile back. well they settled it and clearly stated that it was syracuse.

A Georgetown fan made the documentary, he did say it was Syracuse, you're right, but from the perspective of a guy whose team has done nothing in 25 years. For Georgetown fans, history ended in 1988.
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(03-17-2014 03:58 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  The worst mistake for Georgetown, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova to have Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the conference first place. The should have Duquesne and St. Bonaventure in the conference instead.

The conference was formed for basketball to get around a rule change for NCAA tournament access. They didn't consider football and in 1977-78 probably thought football could have stayed independent for a while, if not forever.

So taking Syracuse and BC in the original alignment wasn't that big a deal (they only invited Pitt after PSU wasn't voted in, probably to deal a death blow to the Eastern 8).
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(03-16-2014 11:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:  WVU: they did get jabbed. the only real mention came halfway though and was a very very insulting comment. the only other reference towards the end was a picture of geno smith

uconn: while cal got lots of camera time although significantly less than all the other coaches. most of his comments were about syracuse, georgetown, and the big east. almost non existent coverage of uconn with the exception of a lil comment "they were in the middle of nowhere but we decided that we wanted them" to explain uconn's addition to the league and occasionally showed uconn footage along with seton hall, sju, cuse & gtown footage.

temple: the only school that did not get a single mention

pitt/BC: referenced in football but ignored in basketball

in conclusion: it was basically a provy, gtown, st johns, cuse, & nova, circle jerk talking about them 75% of the time. ESPN 10%, MSG 10% of the time, penn state and the evils of football 4% of the time, and everyone else fell into the last 1%.

and I know this board had a "which team was the heart & soul of the BE" debate awhile back. well they settled it and clearly stated that it was syracuse.

Temple did not get a single mention because they were never in the Big East for basketball. Temple had football in the Big East and their bball was in the Atlantic 10. This year was the first year in about 30 years that Temple has not played in the Atlantic 10 in basketball.
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