Should've been a split award this year. When you've got three players who play the same position all making AA 1st Teams, there's no way you could possibly delineate between the two as to who was the best. Statistically in conference Kilpatrick was the best, Napier was more efficient, and Smith was more clutch. Tough to pick, and I don't know how anyone did (could see the vote splitting 4-3-3 or something thereabout).

(03-12-2014 12:44 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 12:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:53 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:50 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I don't think anyone will bash him. You can make an argument for ANY of the three, but you really cannot make an argument AGAINST any of the three.

Damn, you really do have thin skin HuskyU

Not every poster, but there will be some on here (as we've seen in other threads). IMO if there was ever a time to have multiple winners (tri-POY), it should have been this year.

I agree it should have been multiple winners.

Don't think that Mr. Kilpatrick won't take this and the slight by the US Basketball Writers to heart. He has performed at his best throughout his career with a chip on his shoulder.

The fact that SK isn't on the USBWA 1st Team is a complete joke.

Nick Johnson's stats are nowhere near the same stratosphere as either Napier's or Kilpatrick's. Yet he's been landing on the first team a few times.

Western writers fighting the "east coast bias." Too bad it had to come at the expense of better players.

(03-12-2014 11:56 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Should have been a split amongst the three, or gone to Smith or Kilpatrick. You have two phenomenal players whose teams tied for the conference championship, and the guy on the fourth seeded team gets it? I'm confused.

I hear that argument, but then you are bringing in teammates

(03-12-2014 12:00 PM)mlb Wrote:  The guy was head and shoulders better in rebounding and assists than SK or RS. He scored more points than RS. SK scored more, but got more minutes.

Not that I entirely care, but if you bring the minutes argument into it Napier's stat line is no longer far superior to the other two:

Per 40 minute stats



Of the three major categories (pts, reb, asts) each leads in a category, is second in a category, and is third. In each of the secondary categories (stls, blocks, and turnovers), each again is first in a category, second in a category, and third in a category. Plus when you look at each of the three shooting categories, each is fairly balanced when all three are added together.

Not sure averaging per minute helps the case you were making.

For some reason I read that he was averaging less minutes per game than SK. I must be losing it.

(03-12-2014 12:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 12:44 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 12:16 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:53 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Not every poster, but there will be some on here (as we've seen in other threads). IMO if there was ever a time to have multiple winners (tri-POY), it should have been this year.

I agree it should have been multiple winners.

Don't think that Mr. Kilpatrick won't take this and the slight by the US Basketball Writers to heart. He has performed at his best throughout his career with a chip on his shoulder.

The fact that SK isn't on the USBWA 1st Team is a complete joke.

Nick Johnson's stats are nowhere near the same stratosphere as either Napier's or Kilpatrick's. Yet he's been landing on the first team a few times.

Western writers fighting the "east coast bias." Too bad it had to come at the expense of better players.

Agreed.

(03-12-2014 11:56 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Should have been a split amongst the three, or gone to Smith or Kilpatrick. You have two phenomenal players whose teams tied for the conference championship, and the guy on the fourth seeded team gets it? I'm confused.

Nice.

I could easily make a compelling argument for all 3 guys. If they had tossed the names in a hat and picked randomly they couldn't have gotten it wrong. They are the 3 best guards in the country IMO.

(03-12-2014 12:15 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 12:02 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Defiinitely deserving, although if a co-winner was not possible and I had a vote I would have placed him 3rd behind RS and SK.

Interesting how the conference player of the years splits from national 1st team voting. Smith and Kilpatrick have made nearly all, if not all, 1st team All-American teams thus far. Napier has made about half, trading off with Nick Johnson. Also, Parker from Duke has made most national 1st teams while Warren from NCST won ACC player of the year.

I'm not sure about this. I saw SI, USBWA and SN so far.

Smith is on every one. Kilpatrick, Napier and Johnson have each been on two, and they've been left off one.

What others am I missing?

My mistake if Napier has been on 2 of 3 thus far, I was thinking he and Johnson had split 2 of 4.

(03-12-2014 11:49 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm not bashing him, but Kilpatrick deserved it more.

Nothing against Napier but would've went with Kilpatrick because his school won a share of the Conference Regular Season Title.

(03-12-2014 02:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:49 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm not bashing him, but Kilpatrick deserved it more.

Nothing against Napier but would've went with Kilpatrick because his school won a share of the Conference Regular Season Title.

Would have been my pick as well. Either that or have a 3-way POY?
FLossY out...

(03-12-2014 02:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:49 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm not bashing him, but Kilpatrick deserved it more.

Nothing against Napier but would've went with Kilpatrick because his school won a share of the Conference Regular Season Title.

If you use the same logic though, Zona's Johnson might steal a spot on the AA team from either one of them.

It's not REALLY a poor choice.

It is definitely hard because the AAC's top teams all had excellent production from their players.

(03-12-2014 03:25 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 02:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 11:49 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm not bashing him, but Kilpatrick deserved it more.

Nothing against Napier but would've went with Kilpatrick because his school won a share of the Conference Regular Season Title.

If you use the same logic though, Zona's Johnson might steal a spot on the AA team from either one of them.

Actually with the Sporting News and the Basketball Writers 1st Team All Americans Johnson did take away from SK and Napier...only Russ Smith has been named 1st Team on all the All American Teams.

Couldn't care less about the AAC POY thing when you could clearly justify any of the three. But that AA team snub for SK is just beyond offensive on every intellectual level.

(03-12-2014 04:57 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Couldn't care less about the AAC POY thing when you could clearly justify any of the three. But that AA team snub for SK is just beyond offensive on every intellectual level.

Agreed...All 3 should have been 1st Team All Americans.

(03-12-2014 04:57 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Couldn't care less about the AAC POY thing when you could clearly justify any of the three. But that AA team snub for SK is just beyond offensive on every intellectual level.

I'll fully agree with that.