(04-06-2014 07:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 03:38 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 02:50 PM)moehler Wrote:  never understood some App fans hatred for Cobb, he has grown the athletics to a level it has never been before, yes, he has made some mistakes, ie: the men's basketball program, but during his tenure he has had more success than failures. Hell, compared to the last AD who did absolutely nothing his last 5 years because he was planning his retirement CC is a god send

Watching our basketball program go from beating name teams to the pile of crap they came down to, and watching the academics of them suffer, find it hard to believe Cobb deserved an extension. If you only want to consider building a palace for the whine and cheese crowd to drink in, then that's your prerogative. Yes, he is better than some we have had, but some fifth graders could have probably been better also.

Pre Cobb:

Attendance - 14k
Yosef donations - $600k a year
Stadium - 16k, worst press box, locker rooms, and weight room in the conference

Today

Attendance -28k
Yosef donations - $3M
Stadium, 24k, some of the best facilities available. Those luxury suites and club seats represent 33% of our season ticket revenue. I'm thankful to those donors that continue to give generously to App, even if they aren't the loudest on Saturdays.

Cobb certainly made mistakes, hiring Capel being the biggest. But 5th grader could do better, calling BS.

Before Cobb: Rob Best - Joe Burchette and the I formation.
Cobb: Scott Satterfield - Ritchie Williams - Armanti Edwards and the Spread Formation.

A lot of people like to give the administration credit for all those donations, I give credit to #2, #7, #8, #28, #31, #40, #47, #44, #76, #91, #97 and a host of others. But most of the credit is due to #14. He did more to sell tickets, win championships and increase Yosef giving than everyone in the athletic administration combined.

(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 02:50 PM)moehler Wrote:  never understood some App fans hatred for Cobb, he has grown the athletics to a level it has never been before, yes, he has made some mistakes, ie: the men's basketball program, but during his tenure he has had more success than failures. Hell, compared to the last AD who did absolutely nothing his last 5 years because he was planning his retirement CC is a god send

Cobb had the good fortune of following someone who was put in the position by an administration intent on suppressing the athletics program. Any competent administrator would have looked like a genius following him. When Ken Peacock was handed the job of chancellor one of his mandates was to elevate the athletics program. Within 6 months Laney and Dribelbiss were gone. I was solidly in Charlie's court when he first arrived. Ken gave him the additional dollars to shore up some budgetary shortcomings and elevate the football program to top ten FCS standards. The reality is he did little more than to start operating the program in the manner it should have been. Charlie's handling of the Houston Fancher, Jason Capel and Jerry Moore situations have been PR nightmares. He has been less than honest in some of those situations.

I have been intimately involved with this program 35 years. As I like to tell people, I may not know much, but I know a lot of people who do. Things are not as wonderful as some would have you believe. Cobb and his kids (as they are called within the administration) have created quite a situations that are ripe for criticism.

While my perspective is not as negative as yours DG, this is a much more objective view than a fifth grader could do better.

If I had to sum his time so far I'd say Charlie is good operational AD, but could improve on the personnel side of being an AD.

Winning games puts butts in the seats and brings in donations no doubt.

However, giving those coaches and players the tools to succeed came from the change in leadership.

The leaders of organizations get the credit for the good and the bad from me.

I don't let the mistakes in personnel decisions cloud my judgment about operational decisions (yes they seem like common sense to you and I), but they did execute the plans.

This Fox hire and how Scott does the next three years will decide his next step. For Mountaineer fans I hope Charlie EARNS another extension or is hired away, that will be a good sign for us.

The coaches and players were the igniting fuel, but it still takes leadership and coordination to transfer that fire into meaningful action and change. In short it's a combined effort from the Chancellor, the Athletics AD, to the coaches and finally the players. App State was ripe for some growth at the time and a combinations of factors propelled us out of the FCS and I'm so glad it did!

So-who is the new coach? Sorry if I missed the news.

Board of Trustees was meeting today to finalize the decision. It seems that Jim Fox, associate coach at Davidson, will be the guy.

http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArticl...=209457523

Fox.

(04-08-2014 03:12 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  So-who is the new coach? Sorry if I missed the news.

Jim Fox of Davidson, announcement expected later today or tomorrow at latest.

(04-08-2014 02:47 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 02:50 PM)moehler Wrote:  never understood some App fans hatred for Cobb, he has grown the athletics to a level it has never been before, yes, he has made some mistakes, ie: the men's basketball program, but during his tenure he has had more success than failures. Hell, compared to the last AD who did absolutely nothing his last 5 years because he was planning his retirement CC is a god send

Cobb had the good fortune of following someone who was put in the position by an administration intent on suppressing the athletics program. Any competent administrator would have looked like a genius following him. When Ken Peacock was handed the job of chancellor one of his mandates was to elevate the athletics program. Within 6 months Laney and Dribelbiss were gone. I was solidly in Charlie's court when he first arrived. Ken gave him the additional dollars to shore up some budgetary shortcomings and elevate the football program to top ten FCS standards. The reality is he did little more than to start operating the program in the manner it should have been. Charlie's handling of the Houston Fancher, Jason Capel and Jerry Moore situations have been PR nightmares. He has been less than honest in some of those situations.

I have been intimately involved with this program 35 years. As I like to tell people, I may not know much, but I know a lot of people who do. Things are not as wonderful as some would have you believe. Cobb and his kids (as they are called within the administration) have created quite a situations that are ripe for criticism.

That is a very fair assessment of Cobb. He's certainly had some mistakes, primarily with basketball, but I don't know we could do much better than him either. No doubt having a supportive chancellor to Athletics such as Peacock was has been a huge, huge factor in the success Cobb has enjoyed. AppMan do you have any feelings/opinions on the new chancellor?

I am optimistic. Primarily because I know by who and why the folks sitting on the BOT were chosen and they decided on the candidates submitted to the BOG to replace Ken. In her I see someone from the Midwest with solid core values. It shouldn't be lost that she received all her degrees from a big time football school which is also extremely well thought of in academic circles. My hope is she will continue down the athletic path Ken Peacock set ASU on and appease the academic's at the same time. Keeping fingers crossed!

I suspect alot of peoples perspective of CC is based on their personal feelings towards the man, and not the job he has done, personally, I could care less if he is a nice guy or a jerk, all I care about is the job he is doing, and on that point I agree 100% with pic1979, with the money we are paying him, I don't know we could do much better. No offense Appmandg, but for years the most consistant argument I hear from CC detractors is " I know somebody, who knows somebody in the administration or the BOT who is telling me that Charlie is leading us to ruin...okay, if we go on that assumption then that would mean Peacock, CC's boss, and someone who works with him everyday, should have been fired himself, or atleast reprimanded because he has allowed this train wreck to exist and has ignored this huge problem for all these years. The bottom line to me is, do I trust Peacock who works with him everyday, or do I trust the opinions of App fans, who do not work with him, again no offense, but Ill go with Peacock.

Thanks,sounds like a good hire.

(04-08-2014 03:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArticl...=209457523

Fox.

Three of four comments from Davidson people. Imagine that. Sorry, but I am underwhelmed. Until 2 years ago he was the third assistant on Davidson's staff. Moved up to #2 when Matt Matheny took the Elon job. Hard to believe we hired a guy from our most hated rival. Someone who did not fulfil one of Cobb's original requirements. Wishing him the best of luck.

(04-08-2014 02:54 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 02:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 02:50 PM)moehler Wrote:  never understood some App fans hatred for Cobb, he has grown the athletics to a level it has never been before, yes, he has made some mistakes, ie: the men's basketball program, but during his tenure he has had more success than failures. Hell, compared to the last AD who did absolutely nothing his last 5 years because he was planning his retirement CC is a god send

Cobb had the good fortune of following someone who was put in the position by an administration intent on suppressing the athletics program. Any competent administrator would have looked like a genius following him. When Ken Peacock was handed the job of chancellor one of his mandates was to elevate the athletics program. Within 6 months Laney and Dribelbiss were gone. I was solidly in Charlie's court when he first arrived. Ken gave him the additional dollars to shore up some budgetary shortcomings and elevate the football program to top ten FCS standards. The reality is he did little more than to start operating the program in the manner it should have been. Charlie's handling of the Houston Fancher, Jason Capel and Jerry Moore situations have been PR nightmares. He has been less than honest in some of those situations.

I have been intimately involved with this program 35 years. As I like to tell people, I may not know much, but I know a lot of people who do. Things are not as wonderful as some would have you believe. Cobb and his kids (as they are called within the administration) have created quite a situations that are ripe for criticism.

While my perspective is not as negative as yours DG, this is a much more objective view than a fifth grader could do better.

If I had to sum his time so far I'd say Charlie is good operational AD, but could improve on the personnel side of being an AD.

Being realistic is not being negative.

(04-08-2014 03:26 PM)moehler Wrote:  I suspect alot of peoples perspective of CC is based on their personal feelings towards the man, and not the job he has done, personally, I could care less if he is a nice guy or a jerk, all I care about is the job he is doing, and on that point I agree 100% with pic1979, with the money we are paying him, I don't know we could do much better. No offense Appmandg, but for years the most consistant argument I hear from CC detractors is " I know somebody, who knows somebody in the administration or the BOT who is telling me that Charlie is leading us to ruin...okay, if we go on that assumption then that would mean Peacock, CC's boss, and someone who works with him everyday, should have been fired himself, or atleast reprimanded because he has allowed this train wreck to exist and has ignored this huge problem for all these years. The bottom line to me is, do I trust Peacock who works with him everyday, or do I trust the opinions of App fans, who do not work with him, again no offense, but Ill go with Peacock.

No offense taken. We all are entitled to our opinions. My opinion is based on what I know to be true. Has that affected my personal opinion? Absolutely. I would question your assessment that you "could care less if he is a nice guy or a jerk." My experience over almost 60 years is people who are admired, liked and create a positive environment get far more out of people. I've known Ken for a while and trust him implicitly. He knew very little about athletics when he took the job, but has learned a lot the past several years. Knowing he was planning on stepping down, he sees Charlie as the new chancellor's issue to deal with now. Charlie is nobody's fool and managed to convince someone on the BOT to shove a 3 year extension through for him. He now has protection from a new chancellor who may want her own person running the department.

No AD in the nation that has held a position for 10 years is mistake free, that is realistic.

One's perspective can be less negative than another's, neither is right or wrong.

(04-08-2014 04:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  No AD in the nation that has held a position for 10 years is mistake free, that is realistic.

One's perspective can be less negative than another's, neither is right or wrong.

Sam Baker is available if some of your fans are that upset about it. We can give good references.

You guys hate Davidson, too?

No to Baker, he was almost as bad as Laney.

Davidson was App's biggest basketball rival. Even though they are clearly a better program, pre-Capel the all-time record was 31-34 between us.

I'm certain they'll be a staple on the schedule. Hopefully UNCC as well.

(04-08-2014 04:30 PM)Alumniner2012 Wrote:  You guys hate Davidson, too?

Why not?
They are actually in our conference.
You see you are not the only one.
We HATE Ga South the worst !!
That should make you feel better

(04-08-2014 04:08 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 04:00 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  No AD in the nation that has held a position for 10 years is mistake free, that is realistic.

One's perspective can be less negative than another's, neither is right or wrong.

Sam Baker is available if some of your fans are that upset about it. We can give good references.

May have some issues with him but Charlie Cobb is heads above Sam Baker. Sorry not buying Baker.