Is it time to encourage the DOJ to use the Patriot Act and RICO statutes to go after Greenpeace? The operation against PG smacks of KGB/al Qaeda tactics, it has been months and years in the planning and maybe by seizing assets it will discourage such activities. Additionally the 9 suspects are from across state lines and most likely do not have their own resources to carried such a targeted operation. So federal conspiracy laws and the such should carry the most weight. A local plea deal for time served and probation does not seem sufficient for this attack on capitalism.

DOJ - Holder won't even go after the IRS, so greenpeace not a chance.

it'd be hilarious if they get max sentences. i agree with their causes and it's a pretty bold (and effective) move. i don't see it as an attack on capitalism. from what i gather they want p&g to continue to sell their wares just a not so subtle reminder that this is real toll of their actions. i'm all about people making money and i can choose to purchase their product. my buddies' girlfriend is on the damage control team for p&g. if you can pick a good time to have breast cancer, this might it

They shouldn't have been arrested. Just should have cut their ziplines

(03-07-2014 07:30 PM)RLBearcat09 Wrote:  They shouldn't have been arrested. Just should have cut their ziplines

greenpeace is no worse than the nra in their extremism. first time somebody falls off a building it will stop.

Domestic terrorism is domestic terrorism regardless of your cause.

(03-08-2014 07:14 AM)beck Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 07:30 PM)RLBearcat09 Wrote:  They shouldn't have been arrested. Just should have cut their ziplines

greenpeace is no worse than the nra in their extremism. first time somebody falls off a building it will stop.

Serious question. Has the NRA organized or condoned committing a crime like this or damaged personal property? I have no recollection of NRA stunts like this. Positions and advocacy are one thing. Breaking the law is quite another.

I hope the prosecutors subpoena email and phone records to see if this was an organized effort within Greenpeace management or at minimum with their knowledge. If it did and it crossed state lines, maybe a conspiracy or RICO case would tone this stuff down going forward.

(03-10-2014 09:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2014 07:14 AM)beck Wrote:  

(03-07-2014 07:30 PM)RLBearcat09 Wrote:  They shouldn't have been arrested. Just should have cut their ziplines

greenpeace is no worse than the nra in their extremism. first time somebody falls off a building it will stop.

Serious question. Has the NRA organized or condoned committing a crime like this or damaged personal property? I have no recollection of NRA stunts like this. Positions and advocacy are one thing. Breaking the law is quite another.

I hope the prosecutors subpoena email and phone records to see if this was an organized effort within Greenpeace management or at minimum with their knowledge. If it did and it crossed state lines, maybe a conspiracy or RICO case would tone this stuff down going forward.

You know I was thinking the same thing. If this criminal activity is pre planned by higher ups it is only a matter of time before a curious DA
decides to go after the entire organization, not just the individual criminals doing these illegal stunts.

I heard 2 full time executives of Greenpeace say last week, paraphrasing,
"we always how up for court, we take our lumps etc.? They never say hey these guys and girls planned this in the their own. If a couple of these Cincinnati criminals face some significant jail time they might want also make a deal and turn over evidence pointing to the execs.

(03-10-2014 09:15 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Domestic terrorism is domestic terrorism regardless of your cause.

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i think that's hyperbole. extreme vandalism is more like it. i love the reasons people give for being against what these clowns did. they cite the safety of those involved above all else. like if they fell or whatever, would they really care? it'd be serves em right

i wonder how effective the message was. did it get any spin on the national news outlets? the p&g towers aren't that big and are kinda tucked away from the rest of downtown. i haven't been following this that closely but if only people in cincinnati saw it, kinda hard to get your point across

First off comparing Greenpeace to KGB/Al-Qaeda is just ludicrous! I asked my father what he thought since he worked for P&G for 32 years. The stunt that Greenpeace pulled did not bother him as much as the lack of security. If Greenpeace could bypass their security than their competitors can bypass their security and steal company documents. He told me that Corporate Espionage does occur and whoever picked the security firm they have now should be fired. He also believes that there was someone on the inside perhaps a disgruntled employee. My father retired 10 years ago and he keeps in touch with some coworkers who still work at P&G and they told him that morale has been awful due to all the layoffs.

(03-10-2014 10:15 PM)SW UC Wrote:  First off comparing Greenpeace to KGB/Al-Qaeda is just ludicrous! I asked my father what he thought since he worked for P&G for 32 years. The stunt that Greenpeace pulled did not bother him as much as the lack of security. If Greenpeace could bypass their security than their competitors can bypass their security and steal company documents. He told me that Corporate Espionage does occur and whoever picked the security firm they have now should be fired. He also believes that there was someone on the inside perhaps a disgruntled employee. My father retired 10 years ago and he keeps in touch with some coworkers who still work at P&G and they told him that morale has been awful due to all the layoffs.

The subject is Greenpeace members trespassing on private property and placing themselves in a dangerous position, a situation that could have had serious consequences for them and others. P&G security, and a few employees attitude problems have nothing to do with it.

As Mark Watte, a dairy farmer from California said about "environmentalists" in a recent WSJ opinion piece, "Most of them don't really care about the environment. They are obstructionists." I totally agree.