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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
I quit watching Big East sports when WVU left the conference, and I seriously doubt that will change.

I do watch FS1, but only when B12 games are playing.
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
(03-10-2014 11:48 AM)prp Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 08:06 AM)john01992 Wrote:  does the Big East really hold all the cards in the BE/MSG relationship????

it seems to me that traditional logic would dictate that the BE is the one begging to be kept at MSG not MSG begging the BE to stay.

That's not the case at all. The NYC area is suffering from excess capacity in the arena business. There are five arenas under five different management groups competing to host any event that comes to the area. Even in NYC, that's too much. There just aren't enough bookings to fill out the calendar. If the Big East is offering five guaranteed dates every year for the next 12 years, MSG will not say no. They'd rather play host to a half full event than nothing at all, or worse, lose it to Barclay's or Prudential.

can we pretend for a second that MSG is on a far different level than other NYC locations? that playing at MSG is the biggest reason why conferences want to play in NYC?

oh wait that's reality........
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
(03-09-2014 01:47 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-09-2014 12:29 PM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  The best thing conferences can do is pick a single location to host the tournament. Have it a neutral site if possible, in a destination city with things to do other than basketball. For example, Vegas now hosts 4 conference tourneys. As conferences get used to going to the same place, fan bases look forward to their yearly trip. Cities like Orlando, New Orleans, Chicago, Vegas, New York, DC, LA and Anaheim are great places to host as they offer other things to do if your team loses early. I just don't see the B10 and ACC willing to go to MSG on a yearly basis, so MSG will pick the NBE to be their annual host.

The A10 is playing its conference tournament at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

How many different venues does Las Vegas have to host a conference tournament?

Vegas has Thomas and Mack, MGM, The Orleans plus a few other arenas. I believe The Orleans host both the WCC and the WAC tourneys on different weekends.
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
Honestly I don't understand why any B1G fan would want the conference tourney in NYC. If you are actually there to see basketball, then the city should be a secondary concern at most. The actual venue should be more important. MSG is nice, but it's not THAT great compared to the competition. And the cost is extraordinary compared to a place like Indy or even Chicago. Plus Chicago is almost dead center in B1G country, so most any B1G fan other than PSU fans can drive there.

Bottom line, this whole notion of "taking" MSG would just be another glorified attempt by the B1G to show everyone which conference has the largest genitalia.
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
(03-10-2014 10:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 11:48 AM)prp Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 08:06 AM)john01992 Wrote:  does the Big East really hold all the cards in the BE/MSG relationship????

it seems to me that traditional logic would dictate that the BE is the one begging to be kept at MSG not MSG begging the BE to stay.

That's not the case at all. The NYC area is suffering from excess capacity in the arena business. There are five arenas under five different management groups competing to host any event that comes to the area. Even in NYC, that's too much. There just aren't enough bookings to fill out the calendar. If the Big East is offering five guaranteed dates every year for the next 12 years, MSG will not say no. They'd rather play host to a half full event than nothing at all, or worse, lose it to Barclay's or Prudential.

can we pretend for a second that MSG is on a far different level than other NYC locations? that playing at MSG is the biggest reason why conferences want to play in NYC?

oh wait that's reality........

Of course, MSG is different. The Big East wants to be there more than anywhere else. It's part of their identity. But that's only true if they're there every year and they'll pay a premium for the right. If MSG tells them to piss off every third year so the ACC or Big 10 can come and play, suddenly MSG is no longer as valuable to them. They can take their tournament elsewhere and establish a new identity in Brooklyn or DC or Philly or Omaha or as a wandering event. It's not their prefered choice, but saying MSG holds all the cards isn't accurate. MSG is a business like any other, and they want the stability of knowing the Big East will be there over the risk that they'll have five open dates. If they have all the power, they don't sign a long-term contract. They sign a long-term contract because it's mutually beneficial to both parties.
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
(03-11-2014 08:36 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Honestly I don't understand why any B1G fan would want the conference tourney in NYC.
For the large number of Big Ten alumni living on the East Coast, because its on the East Coast.

Its not the largest number of Big Ten alumni, to be sure, which is why it would be fewer than half the time.

Fans who travel to follow their team tend to like a little variety in the destination.
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
(03-11-2014 09:03 AM)prp Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 10:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 11:48 AM)prp Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 08:06 AM)john01992 Wrote:  does the Big East really hold all the cards in the BE/MSG relationship????

it seems to me that traditional logic would dictate that the BE is the one begging to be kept at MSG not MSG begging the BE to stay.
That's not the case at all. The NYC area is suffering from excess capacity in the arena business. There are five arenas under five different management groups competing to host any event that comes to the area. Even in NYC, that's too much. There just aren't enough bookings to fill out the calendar. If the Big East is offering five guaranteed dates every year for the next 12 years, MSG will not say no. They'd rather play host to a half full event than nothing at all, or worse, lose it to Barclay's or Prudential.
can we pretend for a second that MSG is on a far different level than other NYC locations? that playing at MSG is the biggest reason why conferences want to play in NYC?

oh wait that's reality........
Of course, MSG is different. The Big East wants to be there more than anywhere else. It's part of their identity. But that's only true if they're there every year and they'll pay a premium for the right. If MSG tells them to piss off every third year so the ACC or Big 10 can come and play, suddenly MSG is no longer as valuable to them. They can take their tournament elsewhere and establish a new identity in Brooklyn or DC or Philly or Omaha or as a wandering event. It's not their prefered choice, but saying MSG holds all the cards isn't accurate. MSG is a business like any other, and they want the stability of knowing the Big East will be there over the risk that they'll have five open dates. If they have all the power, they don't sign a long-term contract. They sign a long-term contract because it's mutually beneficial to both parties.
Brooklyn is out of the question already. It can't be an annual thing there now, because the ACC has plans to use it occasionally.
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RE: Could the B1G take MSG from the new Big East? Esp if they add UConn.
(03-10-2014 11:48 AM)prp Wrote:  That's not the case at all. The NYC area is suffering from excess capacity in the arena business. There are five arenas under five different management groups competing to host any event that comes to the area. Even in NYC, that's too much. There just aren't enough bookings to fill out the calendar. If the Big East is offering five guaranteed dates every year for the next 12 years, MSG will not say no. They'd rather play host to a half full event than nothing at all, or worse, lose it to Barclay's or Prudential.
How much longer is Izod Center for this world? I've read that some New Jersey high school championships may be moved there on a permanent basis, and it will primarily be used for concerts, but I figure at some point Prudential Center will finally force it to close.
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