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Next week The AAC made up of Former Big East schools that sponsor Football will have the first Ever Tournament away from MSG. They will play in the Fantastic FEDEX Forum to a Sold out crowd. Every school involved either played in the BEAST or were invited under the Big East Banner. 5 current AAC schools are in the top 25. Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn and SMU. Fireworks should erupt there just like many of the old Big East Tournament games did. Extremely entertaining stuff of Legends.
The New Big East has MSG and 7 Members from the old Big East AKA the C7. They Bought the Big East name from the settlement during separation of the Olympic sports only schools and the ones sponsoring Football.
Currently the New Big East schools have Villanova and newcomer Creighton ranked in the top 25. Excellent programs featuring some Great Players. They currently are shown on a newer all sports channel that has growing pains. New Big East features Georgetown, Marquette, St.Johns, Providence, Butler amongst others. All good programs.
It will be interesting to see which version of the Old Big East gets the highest viewer ratings as well as the most competitive and entertaining games this coming week.
Would like to see how this pans out with folks from all of these boards over the next week leading up to Countdown Sunday. Have fun and enjoy the Show.
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This may an interesting preview of the 2 conferences left over from the Big east split, but the real test is not till next year.

The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.

plus this is really a 3-way competition since the ACC does have 7 teams from the old Big east. So any battle for the Big east legacy has to include the ACC.
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Highest ratings will probably go to the AAC this year due to ESPN vs FS1. Established network vs startup usually favors the established one.
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Not even a contest...the American will get better ratings, have better matchups and will have more NCAA Teams...07-coffee3
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(03-07-2014 07:49 AM)goofus Wrote:  The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.
You make it seem as if the Louisville/Tulane announcements Were "the final moves" that made the C7 bolt, which was (of course) not the case.

correlation =/= causation.
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(03-07-2014 09:37 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 07:49 AM)goofus Wrote:  The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.
You make it seem as if the Louisville/Tulane announcements Were "the final moves" that made the C7 bolt, which was (of course) not the case.

correlation =/= causation.

It had less to do with Tulane and more to do with the fact that FOX was desperate for quality hoops content on FS1 and paid them 2-3 times their estimated AAC payout. 4 million was the reason, not the Wave or Pirates.
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(03-07-2014 09:42 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 09:37 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 07:49 AM)goofus Wrote:  The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.
You make it seem as if the Louisville/Tulane announcements Were "the final moves" that made the C7 bolt, which was (of course) not the case.

correlation =/= causation.

It had less to do with Tulane and more to do with the fact that FOX was desperate for quality hoops content on FS1 and paid them 2-3 times their estimated AAC payout. 4 million was the reason, not the Wave or Pirates.

I see the attempts at revising history are already well under way. Call it what you want, but it was the Tulane addition that finally made the C7 go, do we really still want to be associated with these schools? What do we really have in common? Granted it was a long time coming, but up until Tulane, there was always enough mutual interest there to stay together. FS1 just came along and confirmed what they were already thinking. Its just not worth it to stay together anymore.
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(03-08-2014 04:28 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 09:42 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 09:37 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 07:49 AM)goofus Wrote:  The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.
You make it seem as if the Louisville/Tulane announcements Were "the final moves" that made the C7 bolt, which was (of course) not the case.

correlation =/= causation.

It had less to do with Tulane and more to do with the fact that FOX was desperate for quality hoops content on FS1 and paid them 2-3 times their estimated AAC payout. 4 million was the reason, not the Wave or Pirates.

I see the attempts at revising history are already well under way. Call it what you want, but it was the Tulane addition that finally made the C7 go, do we really still want to be associated with these schools? What do we really have in common? Granted it was a long time coming, but up until Tulane, there was always enough mutual interest there to stay together. FS1 just came along and confirmed what they were already thinking. Its just not worth it to stay together anymore.

It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.
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(03-07-2014 07:05 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Next week The AAC made up of Former Big East schools that sponsor Football will have the first Ever Tournament away from MSG. They will play in the Fantastic FEDEX Forum to a Sold out crowd. Every school involved either played in the BEAST or were invited under the Big East Banner. 5 current AAC schools are in the top 25. Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn and SMU. Fireworks should erupt there just like many of the old Big East Tournament games did. Extremely entertaining stuff of Legends.
The New Big East has MSG and 7 Members from the old Big East AKA the C7. They Bought the Big East name from the settlement during separation of the Olympic sports only schools and the ones sponsoring Football.
Currently the New Big East schools have Villanova and newcomer Creighton ranked in the top 25. Excellent programs featuring some Great Players. They currently are shown on a newer all sports channel that has growing pains. New Big East features Georgetown, Marquette, St.Johns, Providence, Butler amongst others. All good programs.
It will be interesting to see which version of the Old Big East gets the highest viewer ratings as well as the most competitive and entertaining games this coming week.
Would like to see how this pans out with folks from all of these boards over the next week leading up to Countdown Sunday. Have fun and enjoy the Show.

It's not a contest if no one is going to watch the Big East tournament other than people who go or went to the schools.
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(03-07-2014 09:42 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 09:37 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 07:49 AM)goofus Wrote:  The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.
You make it seem as if the Louisville/Tulane announcements Were "the final moves" that made the C7 bolt, which was (of course) not the case.

correlation =/= causation.

It had less to do with Tulane and more to do with the fact that FOX was desperate for quality hoops content on FS1 and paid them 2-3 times their estimated AAC payout. 4 million was the reason, not the Wave or Pirates.

Grossly overpaid or not?
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I think the conference tournaments will be interesting... I think for the SF advantage AAC, but for the title game, advantage Big East. Both will be great tournaments.
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(03-08-2014 05:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 04:28 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 09:42 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 09:37 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(03-07-2014 07:49 AM)goofus Wrote:  The C7 did not decide to split until Louisville announced they were leaving and Tulane was invited as a replacement. So the final moves that made the C7 bolt will not actually be done until next year.
You make it seem as if the Louisville/Tulane announcements Were "the final moves" that made the C7 bolt, which was (of course) not the case.

correlation =/= causation.

It had less to do with Tulane and more to do with the fact that FOX was desperate for quality hoops content on FS1 and paid them 2-3 times their estimated AAC payout. 4 million was the reason, not the Wave or Pirates.

I see the attempts at revising history are already well under way. Call it what you want, but it was the Tulane addition that finally made the C7 go, do we really still want to be associated with these schools? What do we really have in common? Granted it was a long time coming, but up until Tulane, there was always enough mutual interest there to stay together. FS1 just came along and confirmed what they were already thinking. Its just not worth it to stay together anymore.

It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.

Ok, I guess I will buy that. There probably was no school out there that would make everybody happy. I guess by the time Tulane was picked, the C7 already had decided they were gone.

I had always thought that Tulane was the last attempt to make everybody happy, and that attempt failed so miserably, that's what ending up being the final straw. I guess I got it wrong.
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(03-08-2014 01:11 PM)goofus Wrote:  I guess by the time Tulane was picked, the C7 already had decided they were gone.
I don't think they had already made the decision to leave, but they had already made the decision to be open to other offers. FOX made that offer.

Quote:I had always thought that Tulane was the last attempt to make everybody happy
A reasonable surmise.
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(03-08-2014 05:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.



I would remove Louisville and West Virginia from this list.
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I don't have hard information, or inside information, but it's the conclusion I draw from the evidence.

I have to assume that the C-7 presidents were discussing the pros and cons of a split from the fall of 2011. Open questions were what the new TV contract would be like, what Notre Dame would do, what a C-7 TV contract would be like. But from September 2011, there was every possibility that either the Big Ten, SEC, Big XII or ACC would make a move or moves and one or more of Louisville and UConn would be gone. And it wasn't that hard to see the list of possible replacements--Tulane, ECU, UMass, Tulsa--joining USF, UCF, Houston, SMU and maybe Rutgers as drags on the conference.

(Yes, SMU wouldn't be a drag on the conference today, but they would have for the last few decades.)

I think the mood of the C-7 conference call after Louisville bolted was less "What do we do?" than "Do we go ahead and do it?"
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(03-08-2014 01:45 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 05:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.

I would remove Louisville and West Virginia from this list.

Louisville is and was a basketball power and an asset to a basketball league. West Virginia got I think 6 bids in the last 10 years of the league. They weren't a pillar of the conference, but they contributed more than my Johnnies lately.
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(03-08-2014 01:49 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think the mood of the C-7 conference call after Louisville bolted was less "What do we do?" than "Do we go ahead and do it?"
I agree with that.

They were essentially saying, "Hello, world, here we are. Make us an offer."

Enter FOX Sports.
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(03-08-2014 01:11 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok, I guess I will buy that. There probably was no school out there that would make everybody happy.
The reporting on 13/14 December of 2012 was that the addition of Tulane was the final straw for the C7.

But its true that pretty much any school that would have made them happy and which would have been willing to move to the Old Big East would have been another BBall-only or BBall-first school, and adding a BBall-only schools would have at the time killed the last desperate efforts to hold onto Boise State.

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(03-08-2014 05:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.
I would remove Louisville and West Virginia from this list.
For an unbalanced hybrid like that to hold together, there's got to be appeal to both the BBall side and the FB side. Louisville is part of what made it worth the headache from both the BBall and FB side, WV part of what made it worth the headache from the FB side.

Given the replacements available, at the time that Louisville was poached by the ACC, any school that would have appeased the BBall side would have angered the FB side and visa versa. Or, with Tulane, a school brought in for the "market" to show the brand names that the conference had, even as many of those brand names were on their way out the door, which angered the BBall side while failing to excite the FB side.
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(03-08-2014 01:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 01:45 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 05:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.

I would remove Louisville and West Virginia from this list.

Louisville is and was a basketball power and an asset to a basketball league. West Virginia got I think 6 bids in the last 10 years of the league. They weren't a pillar of the conference, but they contributed more than my Johnnies lately.


They certainly did contribute to the basketball reputation of the conference, but that does not seem to be the factor that dictates these types of decisions.....so I guess I respectfully disagree.
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(03-08-2014 03:01 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 01:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 01:45 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  
(03-08-2014 05:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  It was Louisville leaving, not Tulane joining. If Aresco & Co had brought in some other FBS school, or delayed bringing in anyone, it wouldn't have made any difference.

Without Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame and West Virginia, the hybrid wasn't worth it.

I would remove Louisville and West Virginia from this list.

Louisville is and was a basketball power and an asset to a basketball league. West Virginia got I think 6 bids in the last 10 years of the league. They weren't a pillar of the conference, but they contributed more than my Johnnies lately.


They certainly did contribute to the basketball reputation of the conference, but that does not seem to be the factor that dictates these types of decisions.....so I guess I respectfully disagree.

Well, Notre Dame didn't play football in the Big East, so I don't know how "Without Syracuse, Notre Dame and Pitt, the hybrid wasn't worth it" makes sense if you're talking football.
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