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RE: Who's paying the TAX?
I am not a lawyer. I am a citizen. I have believed in the good of what this country represents and the good of what it could be.

When I see posts like the very long one from HOD at the top of page 12 with just a very small sampling of a page or two of this well over 2,000 page law, the ACA, and then realize that there are several thousand additional pages I am not seeing that are written just as convolutedly like the ones shown, and then realize that is just one law, then I begin to shudder a bit. I then try to wade through what I can, knowing these laws are specifically written and constructed to hide their most important negative consequences, to fool the greatest amount of voters, even fellow politicians, who don't usually read entire bills of this length themselves anyway before they vote. In this case they were forbidden to read any of it at all! That fact is ignored or pooh-poohed by those in favor of this albatross that cripples the economy. What a country!

I have had the "opportunity" to deal with courts, judges, attorneys, officials and thousands and thousands of pages of garbage just as poorly conceived and written. As I wade through it as a non-lawyer, I look for logic but also for common sense.

I have learned that most times lawyers, judges, courts and officials can find plenty of 'correct legal reasons' to justify what they are doing, have done, or will do. This is how they have been trained to construct these kinds of laws. And they always try to leave themselves outs if they screw up. Like the paragraphs I pointed out that have been conveniently ignored in favor of the slurs hurled my way for not being a "sophisticated lawyer" in my views on these matters. Those attitudes do nothing for my respect for these men's supposed professional opinions.

Common sense, and the ability to have a heart for the feel of it, left men like these long ago. It has been trained out of them through schooling and experience in their isolated professional world. But most Americans do not live in the ivory tower of men with opinions like these. Most of us live in, and have to deal with, the consequences of the real world. Laws like these do not help, they impede, hinder and destroy American lives, all the while purporting to help. They lie.

Common sense is what most people would say when they see something. To the extent that laws are passed that ignore that simple test is the extent they are wrong and useless, no matter the legal excuse. And they are excuses.

When I said Dred Scott was wrong, I meant it did not pass the common sense test of right and wrong, that a man was not the same as a piece of furniture, that the writers of the Constitution mostly knew it, many agreed, but they deferred the decision to a later time while building the mechanism for change into the document as they wrote it. While it may have been legalese correct, did not pass the common sense test of right and wrong, and that case was a great opportunity for the court to assert justice for Americans, and the Supreme Court
failed. It is universally recognized as one of the worst mistakes of the Supreme Court in its decision making, and is apparently taught at some schools as such.

When I said the ACA is unconstitutional, I mean it fails in passing the spirit of that document in how it came to be, and either way you look at it, a tax or a fee, it does not pass that test because of how it came to be. The Democrats can pat themselves on the back for continuing to get away with one for a while. But chickens have a way of coming home to roost. Wonder how they'll feel then? It will happen someday, and they won't like it one bit and will be screaming louder than anyone on here opposed to ACA.

Lawyers and judges will always find ways to do what they want, right or wrong. Be glad if you have never had to live under their unjust decisions and pay for it with your life. Some have not been so lucky.
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RE: Who's paying the TAX?
(03-06-2014 07:07 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I am not a lawyer. I am a citizen. I have believed in the good of what this country represents and the good of what it could be.

When I see posts like the very long one from HOD at the top of page 12 with just a very small sampling of a page or two of this well over 2,000 page law, the ACA, and then realize that there are several thousand additional pages I am not seeing that are written just as convolutedly like the ones shown, and then realize that is just one law, then I begin to shudder a bit. I then try to wade through what I can, knowing these laws are specifically written and constructed to hide their most important negative consequences, to fool the greatest amount of voters, even fellow politicians, who don't usually read entire bills of this length themselves anyway before they vote. In this case they were forbidden to read any of it at all! That fact is ignored or pooh-poohed by those in favor of this albatross that cripples the economy. What a country!

I have had the "opportunity" to deal with courts, judges, attorneys, officials and thousands and thousands of pages of garbage just as poorly conceived and written. As I wade through it as a non-lawyer, I look for logic but also for common sense.

I have learned that most times lawyers, judges, courts and officials can find plenty of 'correct legal reasons' to justify what they are doing, have done, or will do. This is how they have been trained to construct these kinds of laws. And they always try to leave themselves outs if they screw up. Like the paragraphs I pointed out that have been conveniently ignored in favor of the slurs hurled my way for not being a "sophisticated lawyer" in my views on these matters. Those attitudes do nothing for my respect for these men's supposed professional opinions.

Common sense, and the ability to have a heart for the feel of it, left men like these long ago. It has been trained out of them through schooling and experience in their isolated professional world. But most Americans do not live in the ivory tower of men with opinions like these. Most of us live in, and have to deal with, the consequences of the real world. Laws like these do not help, they impede, hinder and destroy American lives, all the while purporting to help. They lie.

Common sense is what most people would say when they see something. To the extent that laws are passed that ignore that simple test is the extent they are wrong and useless, no matter the legal excuse. And they are excuses.

When I said Dred Scott was wrong, I meant it did not pass the common sense test of right and wrong, that a man was not the same as a piece of furniture, that the writers of the Constitution mostly knew it, many agreed, but they deferred the decision to a later time while building the mechanism for change into the document as they wrote it. While it may have been legalese correct, did not pass the common sense test of right and wrong, and that case was a great opportunity for the court to assert justice for Americans, and the Supreme Court
failed. It is universally recognized as one of the worst mistakes of the Supreme Court in its decision making, and is apparently taught at some schools as such.

When I said the ACA is unconstitutional, I mean it fails in passing the spirit of that document in how it came to be, and either way you look at it, a tax or a fee, it does not pass that test because of how it came to be. The Democrats can pat themselves on the back for continuing to get away with one for a while. But chickens have a way of coming home to roost. Wonder how they'll feel then? It will happen someday, and they won't like it one bit and will be screaming louder than anyone on here opposed to ACA.

Lawyers and judges will always find ways to do what they want, right or wrong. Be glad if you have never had to live under their unjust decisions and pay for it with your life. Some have not been so lucky.

You sound angry.
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RE: Who's paying the TAX?
(03-06-2014 08:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  You sound angry.

Nope.

I still haven't heard you address the questions I raised, just your platitudes. I guess that's all you have.
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(03-06-2014 09:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 08:53 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  You sound angry.

Nope.

I still haven't heard you address the questions I raised, just your platitudes. I guess that's all you have.

All I could figure out from your posts has been that you hate lawyers, don't understand the Dred Scott decision, and can't admit it when you are wrong.03-zzz
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RE: Who's paying the TAX?
Funny, Dawg, all your posts say about you is that you overgeneralize to a fault, you fail to read or consider what other people have written before you respond, you fail to look to deeper reasoning for laws and you smugly refuse to answer when you are pointed out to be wrong, offering stale platitudes instead like the post above. Good for you. Since you can't answer the question, forget about it. You are the definition of a liberal's willful ignorance. Be proud. 03-zzz
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RE: Who's paying the TAX?
(03-06-2014 09:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Funny, Dawg, all your posts say about you is that you overgeneralize to a fault, you fail to read or consider what other people have written before you respond, you fail to look to deeper reasoning for laws and you smugly refuse to answer when you are pointed out to be wrong, offering stale platitudes instead like the post above. Good for you. Since you can't answer the question, forget about it. You are the definition of a liberal's willful ignorance. Be proud. 03-zzz

I haven't figured out what exactly your question is. Your misplaced analogies, factually incorrect assertions, ideologically based misdirections, and rambling rants don't translate to reasoned thought very well. 01-lauramac2
03-07-2014 02:25 PM
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RE: Who's paying the TAX?
(03-07-2014 02:25 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(03-06-2014 09:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Funny, Dawg, all your posts say about you is that you overgeneralize to a fault, you fail to read or consider what other people have written before you respond, you fail to look to deeper reasoning for laws and you smugly refuse to answer when you are pointed out to be wrong, offering stale platitudes instead like the post above. Good for you. Since you can't answer the question, forget about it. You are the definition of a liberal's willful ignorance. Be proud. 03-zzz

I haven't figured out what exactly your question is. Your misplaced analogies, factually incorrect assertions, ideologically based misdirections, and rambling rants don't translate to reasoned thought very well. 01-lauramac2


As i said, it's okay. Forget it, you don't wish to answer. I understand exactly where you're coming from. Kudos!
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