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(03-04-2014 04:04 PM)USAFBlazerFan Wrote:  I feel for both the parents and the child, but I know as the father of a "used-to-be-reasonable" 15 year-old son going through his own issues, I certainly understand how a child that continually breaks the rules of the house can make life difficult at the very least.

I do think the friend's father is way out of bounds here. Had he kept his nose to his own business, she likely would've made some amends with her parents and they would be under the same roof working through these problems rather than in a court of law.

What the heck is this world coming to?!?!

If a couple of situations don't improve at Casa De Phil, I am considering instituting electroconvulsive therapy .

(03-04-2014 04:12 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  

(03-04-2014 04:04 PM)USAFBlazerFan Wrote:  I feel for both the parents and the child, but I know as the father of a "used-to-be-reasonable" 15 year-old son going through his own issues, I certainly understand how a child that continually breaks the rules of the house can make life difficult at the very least.

I do think the friend's father is way out of bounds here. Had he kept his nose to his own business, she likely would've made some amends with her parents and they would be under the same roof working through these problems rather than in a court of law.

What the heck is this world coming to?!?!

If a couple of situations don't improve at Casa De Phil, I am considering instituting electroconvulsive therapy

My "teenagers" are now parents of teens themselves and that is our ultimate revenge. My oldest daughter married late and became the step-parent of a teen girl whose father had coddled her as a way to compete with the girl's mother for "her heart". She would call me and speak at length of the travails she was going through and many times I had to "bite my tongue" to keep from reminding her of how similar the two were in their behavior as teens.

Perhaps the "friend's father" is doing both sides a favor by providing them a neutral venue in which to vent their differences UNDER OATH. The state judge will know exactly what their individual state law does and doesn't provide in this case.

ALL Family Law is state law and varies in many details among the 50 states. As one "expert lawyer" commented on CNN, 19 states provide that after a divorce, one designated parent is automatically responsible for the college education of the dependent kids -- BUT if there is NO DIVORCE no such legal requirement exists on the family to furnish any child such a college educational opportunity.

Alabama law ends child support at the child's 19th birthday with no requirement for college. It must be listed in the decree by the mutual agreement of the parents to begin with in order to be carried out later.

We have no idea if either side, the child or the parents, are telling the truth. If what the parents say is true, she looks bad. If she is in fact accepted to college for a difficult major, that isn't the modus operandi of bad kids. The school isn't kicking her out, so that raises questions as well.

And, first nod from the court goes to..... the parents.

NJ Teen v. Parents lawsuit

(03-05-2014 08:00 AM)USAFBlazerFan Wrote:  And, first nod from the court goes to..... the parents.

NJ Teen v. Parents lawsuit

Thanks for the link.

This teen should have weight the consequences, something that by the very nature of being a teen, is impossible.

It's not usually this bad, but most parents have to deal with their kids deciding at age 15 or 16 or so that their parents are the biggest idiots on earth. Generally you wait till they get to be 25 or so and then one day you hear a loud "POP" noise, their head pops out of their butt, and they turn into real grown up human beings.

When I was 15 my daddy was the dumbest man I knew. Once I'd had my early twenties epiphany he got a whole lot smarter year by year, and by the time I was 40 or so the old man was damn near a genius.

Funny how that works...

The only way to experience life is to experience life.

Kids will grow up & learn. Too bad it doesn't happen quite yet when they are 15 or 16.

(03-05-2014 11:09 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  It's not usually this bad, but most parents have to deal with their kids deciding at age 15 or 16 or so that their parents are the biggest idiots on earth. Generally you wait till they get to be 25 or so and then one day you hear a loud "POP" noise, their head pops out of their butt, and they turn into real grown up human beings.

When I was 15 my daddy was the dumbest man I knew. Once I'd had my early twenties epiphany he got a whole lot smarter year by year, and by the time I was 40 or so the old man was damn near a genius.

Funny how that works...

HAHAHA... Still awaiting the "POP" in this house!

In a lot of ways I am waiting for that POP so that I can laugh my butt off.

Like mentioned above, another one of those moments is when your kids experience the same crap that they put you through.

(03-05-2014 11:57 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  In a lot of ways I am waiting for that POP so that I can laugh my butt off.

Like mentioned above, another one of those moments is when your kids experience the same crap that they put you through.

Yeah, but to get there, we have to survive first...

For maximum effect, picture me sticking my finger in my mouth and into my cheek, adding a little vacuum, and dragging the finger out with a loud "POP", because when I deliver that line verbally that's how I do it.

Funnier in person... but it's near universal truth. Same as your kids will generally listen to and obey other people your age, parents of friends and the like, better than their own parents. That and "Your parents are so cool!", delivered by their friends to them, to which the response is "who, MY parents?!? You're crazy!".

Wish the hell I was 15 again and knew what I know now, but I guess that's yet another universal.

One thing to keep in mind with kids is that at any age, they are as old as they have ever been. They may perceive that they are already at the top of a mountain and will only realize in later years that they were still climbing the hill.

In "Pickles", Earl was asked by his grandson whether sound traveled faster through water or air? He replied that it was faster in water because some things his father told him as a teen, he didn't hear until he was almost 40.

Band Dad, you borrowed that quote about growing into wisdom from Mark Twain who said that as a teenager he thought his father the most stupid of men. When he got into his 20s, he was amazed at how much the "old man" had learned in a few years. You "borrow" from excellent sources.

18-year-old New Jersey honor student who sued parents returns home
http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/03/18-year-...nor_s.html

Ah-hah

He dad was a cop & chief of police.

I'm shocked, like the rest of you are, I'm sure.