(03-03-2014 11:13 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Josh was on with Geoff Calkins and was asked about the playing time for Nick King in the Louisville game:
1. With both Crawford and Dixon in early foul trouble, he felt that Damien Wilson was better suited at guarding the perimeter than King. Said that King is going to be a tremendous player but has work to do all this summer with a strength trainer to work on his feet in guarding perimeter players better for next year
2. Reason why he went with Pellom instead of King late in the game was that they needed a bigger body against Harrell who was being a beast at that time
Also said that people shouldn't take too much out of Joe not celebrating afterwards because Joe is not a rah-rah kind of guy and doesn't show a lot of emotions and that he will eventually bounce back and will talk to him as he did this past Friday to Crawford who stepped up big on Saturday
All King does is produce every time he's in.
So did DJ Stephens. During his entire Tiger career...you'd think he'd have gotten more playing time too.
(03-03-2014 12:03 PM)Tygrys Wrote: If you watch Joe in the locker room celebration video he was celebrating and talking when they were about to call "family" or something like that up.
(03-03-2014 11:22 AM)dan o Wrote: s n that Calkins did not inquire about any physical issues with Joe.
that's because there are no physical issues with Joe
You may know that, but there sure seems a bunch of opposing views on that subject.
I have heard differently, but hey bash the kid, all he has done has been an ironman since hes been here. If you think he doesn't get hurt, your not watching the licks hes taking. He has never once made an issue out of it and never will, but just because the kid doesn't come out and whine and cry about an injury doesn't mean he isn't and doesn't get hurt. Thats not his style.
I love the kid too, but to call him an iron man? He almost quit the team and transferred. Not exactly iron man territory.
There has been some internal strife the last couple years as well, and Joe's name has been mentioned on this site regarding that.
You guys know more than me because you live there and get the inside scoop.
Joe is a good kid. he's had a season long slump from the arc and I think its affecting his game. There may be something else going on right now too. Not sure what it is but his body language looks wrong (say it like Christopher Walken in the Joe Dirt movie).
He's not a three point shooter. Last year was a fluke. He does not have good form shooting. He kind of ducks his head when he releases the ball. He steers his shot instead of releasing it and letting go.
(03-03-2014 12:03 PM)Tygrys Wrote: If you watch Joe in the locker room celebration video he was celebrating and talking when they were about to call "family" or something like that up.
y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
(03-03-2014 11:26 PM)jgardne Wrote: y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
In the last month there have been interviews with Robert Kirby, and Jason Gardner, on the Wolo show, and Easterwood on the Parrish show all of which mention that Nick has a problem guarding quicker small forwards at this level. His lateral foot movement is just not there yet but he is working hard on it.
All three have said that he functions at the 4 better for now.
I fail to see the reasoning in all these coaches siding with Pastner if he is as wrong as you say.
Maybe Nick just has a thing or two to work on like most freshman do.
All three have coached him or against him and have the same point of view.
(03-03-2014 11:26 PM)jgardne Wrote: y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
In the last month there have been interviews with Robert Kirby, and Jason Gardner, on the Wolo show, and Easterwood on the Parrish show all of which mention that Nick has a problem guarding quicker small forwards at this level. His lateral foot movement is just not there yet but he is working hard on it.
All three have said that he functions at the 4 better for now.
I fail to see the reasoning in all these coaches siding with Pastner if he is as wrong as you say.
Maybe Nick just has a thing or two to work on like most freshman do.
All three have coached him or against him and have the same point of view.
I heard the same thing. Its not putting Nick down but saying that he needs to get better in certain areas to be the player that everyone knows he can become. Its the same like saying that Austin needs to get stronger and add muscle to his frame to be the kind of player we hope he can truly be
I can understand adding strength and muscle, but not so sure about increasing foot speed at 19 or 20. Either you have it or you don't---or so I thought.
(03-03-2014 11:26 PM)jgardne Wrote: y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
In the last month there have been interviews with Robert Kirby, and Jason Gardner, on the Wolo show, and Easterwood on the Parrish show all of which mention that Nick has a problem guarding quicker small forwards at this level. His lateral foot movement is just not there yet but he is working hard on it.
All three have said that he functions at the 4 better for now.
I fail to see the reasoning in all these coaches siding with Pastner if he is as wrong as you say.
Maybe Nick just has a thing or two to work on like most freshman do.
All three have coached him or against him and have the same point of view.
our whole team struggles to guard quicker guards, except Geron. That's the issue. But they can't say that about everyone. of course the assistant coaches are saying it, they're parroting what Pastner wants them to say.
Tell me the small forwards who have torched or abused Nick King while he was in. Not as in, they scored once. Tell me any player who has abused King's supposed poor defense.
And then I'll be happy to tell you all the players who have murdered our guards and their superior foot speed to the tune of career games this year.
(This post was last modified: 03-04-2014 09:23 AM by jgardne.)
(03-04-2014 08:13 AM)dan o Wrote: I can understand adding strength and muscle, but not so sure about increasing foot speed at 19 or 20. Either you have it or you don't---or so I thought.
Technique maybe, but not speed
You can absolutely increase speed and lateral quickness with proper training, building muscle, and dropping some baby fat.
(03-04-2014 08:13 AM)dan o Wrote: I can understand adding strength and muscle, but not so sure about increasing foot speed at 19 or 20. Either you have it or you don't---or so I thought.
Technique maybe, but not speed
You can absolutely increase speed and lateral quickness with proper training, building muscle, and dropping some baby fat.
(03-03-2014 11:26 PM)jgardne Wrote: y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
Well, there was that one guy who sees him every day in practice, is paid millions of $$$ to make basketball judgements, and who's opinion definately matters that disagrees with you and says he's a defensive liability on the perimeter. He's also out coached a HOF'r twice this season as the underdog both times...which I'm guessing is a couple more times than you have
(This post was last modified: 03-04-2014 09:58 AM by tigerjamesc.)
(03-04-2014 08:13 AM)dan o Wrote: I can understand adding strength and muscle, but not so sure about increasing foot speed at 19 or 20. Either you have it or you don't---or so I thought.
Technique maybe, but not speed
You can absolutely increase speed and lateral quickness with proper training, building muscle, and dropping some baby fat.
Hope it works
Can definitely increase lateral quickness (which is much different than foot speed). A lot of it has to do with flexibility. Flexibility and plyo work all summer and he will be a beast.
(03-03-2014 11:26 PM)jgardne Wrote: y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
You just heard his own coach confirm what people have been trying to tell you for weeks. You're maybe one of two or three people who can't see it. At this point, you're just shutting your eyes and sticking fingers in your ears.
(03-03-2014 11:26 PM)jgardne Wrote: y'all can all keep saying that King is a defensive liability and it doesn't make it true. I've seen plenty of bad defenders and Nick King does not move that needle at all when compared with the rest of this team. I'm not going to argue with people who are just so wrong about it but keep parroting it back and forth because it's the only way to try to justify Pastner's misuse of him.
keep beating the drum to see how many y'all can get to march to it
In the last month there have been interviews with Robert Kirby, and Jason Gardner, on the Wolo show, and Easterwood on the Parrish show all of which mention that Nick has a problem guarding quicker small forwards at this level. His lateral foot movement is just not there yet but he is working hard on it.
All three have said that he functions at the 4 better for now.
I fail to see the reasoning in all these coaches siding with Pastner if he is as wrong as you say.
Maybe Nick just has a thing or two to work on like most freshman do.
All three have coached him or against him and have the same point of view.
our whole team struggles to guard quicker guards, except Geron. That's the issue. But they can't say that about everyone. of course the assistant coaches are saying it, they're parroting what Pastner wants them to say.
Tell me the small forwards who have torched or abused Nick King while he was in. Not as in, they scored once. Tell me any player who has abused King's supposed poor defense.
And then I'll be happy to tell you all the players who have murdered our guards and their superior foot speed to the tune of career games this year.
Niels Giffey, Stiggers, off the top of my head, and that's in the past handful of games. But it's not just about opposing 3's, it's about being able to switch screens onto guards as well. We already don't switch 4 and 5 up top, I don't think we want to start not switching the 3 too.
In sum, it's completely evident if you sit down and actually watch the games. You literally have a laundry list of people who are telling you this, and you're arguing against overwhelming evidence at this point. This is a lost issue for you.