Funslinger
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RE: How about an 18 game conference schedule???
Now let's look at a hypothetical 5-way tie for first. Let's assume that Old Dominion beats East Carolina to create a two-way tie with Tulane for 6th place.
Since there is a 5-way tie we must proceed to the MULTI-TEAM TIE.
1. The team with the best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the mini-conference gains the advantage. The team with the worst record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the mini-conference is seeded the lowest.
In the five-way tie, Tulsa is 3-1 against the other four. La Tech, Southern Miss and UTEP are 2-2 against the other four. MTSU is 1-3 against the other four. This makes Tulsa the 1 seed and MTSU the 5 seed. Since there is still a three-way tie in the mini-conference, we must proceed to step c. under this step.
c. If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning percentage in the original mini- conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and follow the same procedures as the beginning of Step 1 (Multiple Team Tie).
Since this step is relevant we must proceed back to step 1. of the MULTI-TEAM TIE.
1. The team with the best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the mini-conference gains the advantage. The team with the worst record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the mini-conference is seeded the lowest.
La Tech, Southern Miss and UTEP are all 1-1 against the other two teams. Since steps a., b., and c. are irrelevant, we must proceed to step d. under this step.
d. If all teams in the mini-conference have the same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.
So, now we proceed to step 2.
2. Compare each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. If two teams have the same advantage, they are separated at that point by the two-way tie-breaker. The next step would take you back to Step 1 (e) (Multiple-Team Tie). When comparing records (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
The highest position in the standings (outside of the 5-way mini-conference that started this tiebreaker) is Tulane and Old Dominion at 9-7. La Tech and UTEP are 2-0 against those two teams while Southern Miss is 2-1. Since the games are unequal we proceed to step b. under this step.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
Steps i. and ii. are irrelevant so proceed to step iii.
iii. Fewer losses do not prevail if the team(s) have the same number of wins, but the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other tied teams.
The tie is not broken because if La Tech and UTEP played a third game and lost they would equal the loss total of Southern Miss.
If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.
So, back to the beginning of step 2.
2. Compare each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. If two teams have the same advantage, they are separated at that point by the two-way tie-breaker. The next step would take you back to Step 1 (e) (Multiple-Team Tie). When comparing records (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
The next team or group would be UAB at 8-8. La Tech and UTEP would be 1-0 against UAB and Southern Miss would be 0-1. Since the games are equal we proceed to step a. under this step.
a. The games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
So, based on winning percentages of La Tech and UTEP at 1.000 and Southern Miss at 0.000, Southern Miss would be the 4 seed. Since UTEP beat La Tech, UTEP would be the 2 seed and La Tech would be the 3 seed.
I still don't see what is so confusing about this.
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Full tiebreaker rules:
Overall Conference record, at the conclusion of the regular season, is used to seed teams 1 through 16. The following procedures are set up to establish seeding and break ties, with a coin flip to be used if not resolved:
TWO-WAY TIE
- Regular season head-to-head results. If the tied teams split, then proceed to Step 2 below.
- Each team’s record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue
down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing records against a single team/ collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
- If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
- If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
- Most wins prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage:
- 1) Team A is 2-0 Team B is 0-1
2) Team A is 3-0 Team B is 1-1
- Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total of the other team. Two examples that do not provide an advantage:
- 1) Team A is 1-1 Team B is 0-1
2) Team A is 2-0 Team B is 1-0
- Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
- 1) Team A is 1-0 Team B is 1-1
2) Team A is 0-1 Team B is 0-2
If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team/group in the standings for comparison.
If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team(s) in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order by winning percentage, even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, is 2-0 better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when are .000 (0-1 is never better than 0-2).
MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)
- The team with the best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the mini-conference gains the advantage. The team with the worst record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the mini-conference is seeded the lowest.
- If only two teams have the same best winning percentage in the mini-conference, the higher seed goes to the team winning the head-to-head series.
- If the two teams split their two games, then proceed to Step 2 under Two-Way ties. To seed the remaining team(s) in the mini-conference, proceed to Paragraph (e) below.
- If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning percentage in the original mini- conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and follow the same procedures as the beginning of Step 1 (Multiple Team Tie).
- If all teams in the mini-conference have the same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.
- After the top or bottom teams in a mini-conference are determined, the remaining teams are ranked by their record in the original mini-conference.
- If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference, then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed.
- If the teams split two games, then proceed back to the two-way tie breaking procedure.
- If there are at least three teams remaining tied by their record in the mini-conference, they would then form a new mini-conference and go back to the beginning of Step 1 (Multiple-Team Tie).
- Compare each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. If two teams have the same advantage, they are separated at that point by the two-way tie-breaker. The next step would take you back to Step 1 (e) (Multiple-Team Tie). When comparing records (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
- The games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
- If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
- Most wins do prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage:
- 1) Team A 2-0 Team B 1-1 Team C 0-1
2) Team A 3-1 Team B 1-2 Team C 1-2
- Most wins do not prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
- 1) Team A 2-1 Team B 1-1 Team C 1-1
2) Team A 1-2 Team B 0-2 Team C 0-2
- Fewer losses do not prevail if the team(s) have the same number of wins, but the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other tied teams. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
- 1) Team A 2-0 Team B 2-1 Team C 2-1
2) Team A 0-2 Team B 0-3 Team C 0-3
If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.
If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team(s) in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, then 2-0 is better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all at .000 (0-1 is never better than 0-2).
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2014 04:09 PM by Funslinger.)
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How about an 18 game conference schedule???
Didn't CUSA have this type of scheduling only to see it voted down after Calipari fled? Could it be resurrected after it was repealed ASAP?