(03-02-2014 08:31 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 01:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Louisville had very few fans at the game at PBS a couple of years ago. It was almost entirely Bearcat fans making up the crowd.

This is not true. UofL had 6,000-7,000 fans in attendance out of the 41,000 in total attendance. Also, the UC home game against Wisconsin drew slightly more than 27,000.

Nooo way. I remember being shocked how few they actually brought.

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(03-02-2014 09:29 PM)subflea Wrote:  How much do you pay for your seats doss? I don't think you have mentioned it enough times for it to sink into my memory yet.

(03-02-2014 09:25 PM)dossbig Wrote:  Fans like me aren't paying a minimum of $15,000 for pavilion and suite seats at Nip to have premium games being moved down town.

The Miami games should go back to being played at UC every year, be ended or be a two for one.

This keeps being stated by various posters over the last few years and I'm still waiting to hear about a viable alternative. If we stop playing Miami home-and-home, what do we replace it with and how do we gain? What other FBS program is going to give us a deal like those you demand? Do you think we'll find an FBS program to agree to play UC at Nippert every year - and if so what do you think it will cost and how will we pay them? They aren't likely to give us a 2-1 either when they can easily find a 1:1 from another G5 school at the worst. If they going to give a 2:1, it will be with a P5 school that puts many more butts in THEIR seats than UC would. Why give UC a 2:1 when it's MUCH more profitable to just find a 1:1 with another G5 program and then sell an away game to somebody who pays a cool $1M or more for it like OSU?

We are already having a very difficult time finding ANY P5 school willing to give us a 1:1 currently. If we drop Miami, the realistic best case replacement is another home-and-home with a different MAC level school that is farther away to travel to, lacks any sense of a tradition/rivalry and probably has even less ticket appeal to UC fans and would travel even fewer to UC than Miami does.

Every program has tickets to sell and everybody wants home games. Unlike OSU or ND, UC doesn't make enough to just buy home games from FBS teams. And we don't come close to selling enough additional tickets for even a G5 to remotely consider a 2:1.

What does Miami bring to the table? If we dropped them where would they get a home/home replacement? I would be fine with 6 home games, 5 away and MU at PBS every year as long as the revenue was split based on each schools ticket sales. Put it in both schools season package.

(03-02-2014 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:25 PM)dossbig Wrote:  Fans like me aren't paying a minimum of $15,000 for pavilion and suite seats at Nip to have premium games being moved down town.

The Miami games should go back to being played at UC every year, be ended or be a two for one.

This keeps being stated by various posters over the last few years and I'm still waiting to hear about a viable alternative. If we stop playing Miami home-and-home, what do we replace it with and how do we gain? What other FBS program is going to give us a deal like those you demand? Do you think we'll find an FBS program to agree to play UC at Nippert every year - and if so what do you think it will cost and how will we pay them? They aren't likely to give us a 2-1 either when they can easily find a 1:1 from another G5 school at the worst. If they going to give a 2:1, it will be with a P5 school that puts many more butts in THEIR seats than UC would. Why give UC a 2:1 when it's MUCH more profitable to just find a 1:1 with another G5 program and then sell an away game to somebody who pays a cool $1M or more for it like OSU?

We are already having a very difficult time finding ANY P5 school willing to give us a 1:1 currently. If we drop Miami, the realistic best case replacement is another home-and-home with a different MAC level school that is farther away to travel to, lacks any sense of a tradition/rivalry and probably has even less ticket appeal to UC fans and would travel even fewer to UC than Miami does.

Every program has tickets to sell and everybody wants home games. Unlike OSU or ND, UC doesn't make enough to just buy home games from FBS teams. And we don't come close to selling enough additional tickets for even a G5 to remotely consider a 2:1.

(03-02-2014 11:49 PM)dossbig Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:25 PM)dossbig Wrote:  Fans like me aren't paying a minimum of $15,000 for pavilion and suite seats at Nip to have premium games being moved down town.

The Miami games should go back to being played at UC every year, be ended or be a two for one.

This keeps being stated by various posters over the last few years and I'm still waiting to hear about a viable alternative. If we stop playing Miami home-and-home, what do we replace it with and how do we gain? What other FBS program is going to give us a deal like those you demand? Do you think we'll find an FBS program to agree to play UC at Nippert every year - and if so what do you think it will cost and how will we pay them? They aren't likely to give us a 2-1 either when they can easily find a 1:1 from another G5 school at the worst. If they going to give a 2:1, it will be with a P5 school that puts many more butts in THEIR seats than UC would. Why give UC a 2:1 when it's MUCH more profitable to just find a 1:1 with another G5 program and then sell an away game to somebody who pays a cool $1M or more for it like OSU?

We are already having a very difficult time finding ANY P5 school willing to give us a 1:1 currently. If we drop Miami, the realistic best case replacement is another home-and-home with a different MAC level school that is farther away to travel to, lacks any sense of a tradition/rivalry and probably has even less ticket appeal to UC fans and would travel even fewer to UC than Miami does.

Every program has tickets to sell and everybody wants home games. Unlike OSU or ND, UC doesn't make enough to just buy home games from FBS teams. And we don't come close to selling enough additional tickets for even a G5 to remotely consider a 2:1.

What does Miami bring to the table? If we dropped them where would they get a home/home replacement?

???? They aren't the one talking about dropping the 1:1 with UC. If we forced them to, they'd probably find another 1:1 with another G5 - just like UC would most likely do. Nobody wins, everybody loses....

Quote:I would be fine with 6 home games, 5 away and MU at PBS every year as long as the revenue was split based on each schools ticket sales. Put it in both schools season package.

The only way we do better than a 1:1 nonconference is to buy FCS games (which I thought people don't really want).

If we go with your "plan", what happens with the walk-ups? Do they have to declare a team they are rooting for? What's to prevent UC fans from buying from Miami for better seats? You've perhaps been the most vocal person on the board about not losing your high cost tickets at Nippert for PBS and now you are "fine" with moving at least one game a year there? And a game against an opponent (unlike say OSU, ND or Oklahoma) that probably doesn't need more seats than Nippert, at that? I'm not sure UC (not to mention Miami), would share your enthusiasm for paying an annual non-likely-close-to-a-sellout game rental at PBS right after having completed an expensive renovation of Nippert designed to increase revenue.

One thing PBS will allow for is for us to join the fun (Hi USF and Pitt and others!) in reporting absurd attendance numbers. All the gimmicks in the world weren't going to let us report 45k for 35k bodies when everyone knew capacity was 35k. At PBS, the numbers could be a little fuzzier.

As a point of reference, here are the official 2013 attendance figures for schools that played their home games at an off campus NFL stadium:

Houston 24,256
UMass 15,830
Miami(FL) 53,837 (cough.. cough.. bullshyte.. cough. cough..)
Pittsburgh 49,741 (cough.. cough.. more bullshyte.. cough)
San Diego 33,224
USF 34,702
Temple 22,473

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2013.pdf

I think we can all agree that the Miami and Pitt numbers are a bit inflated. According to their beat writer, the USF figures are inflated as well.

As we have long discussed, it is not easy to fill the seats for college football in an NFL town. Aside from the numbers that Miami and Pitt are putting up, I think it is possible we do better than what the rest of this group are doing. I'd like to think we have a good strong nucleus of 25K who will show up come heck or high water. Depending on the oppoonent, I think there is another 5-10K of the fair weathered group who will come if the opponent, the weather and kickoff time are right. As others have noted, I do think there are some who will come down to PBS to watch who have been trained to stay away from campus. How many people that translates to will make a huge difference as to whether we can get up to the 40K more.

Hopefully the athletic department puts together some great marketing strategies to get Jim from West Chester, Bob from Bridgetown and Dave from Anderson Twp to pack up the wife and kids and watch the Bearcats at PBS.

(03-03-2014 08:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As a point of reference, here are the official 2013 attendance figures for schools that played their home games at an off campus NFL stadium:

Houston 24,256
UMass 15,830
Miami(FL) 53,837 (cough.. cough.. bullshyte.. cough. cough..)
Pittsburgh 49,741 (cough.. cough.. more bullshyte.. cough)
San Diego 33,224
USF 34,702
Temple 22,473

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2013.pdf

I think we can all agree that the Miami and Pitt numbers are a bit inflated. According to their beat writer, the USF figures are inflated as well.

As we have long discussed, it is not easy to fill the seats for college football in an NFL town. Aside from the numbers that Miami and Pitt are putting up, I think it is possible we do better than what the rest of this group are doing. I'd like to think we have a good strong nucleus of 25K who will show up come heck or high water. Depending on the oppoonent, I think there is another 5-10K of the fair weathered group who will come if the opponent, the weather and kickoff time are right. As others have noted, I do think there are some who will come down to PBS to watch who have been trained to stay away from campus. How many people that translates to will make a huge difference as to whether we can get up to the 40K more.

Hopefully the athletic department puts together some great marketing strategies to get Jim from West Chester, Bob from Bridgetown and Dave from Anderson Twp to pack up the wife and kids and watch the Bearcats at PBS.

Pitt and Miami over 50,000 hahahahahhahahaha

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(03-03-2014 12:53 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 11:49 PM)dossbig Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:25 PM)dossbig Wrote:  Fans like me aren't paying a minimum of $15,000 for pavilion and suite seats at Nip to have premium games being moved down town.

The Miami games should go back to being played at UC every year, be ended or be a two for one.

This keeps being stated by various posters over the last few years and I'm still waiting to hear about a viable alternative. If we stop playing Miami home-and-home, what do we replace it with and how do we gain? What other FBS program is going to give us a deal like those you demand? Do you think we'll find an FBS program to agree to play UC at Nippert every year - and if so what do you think it will cost and how will we pay them? They aren't likely to give us a 2-1 either when they can easily find a 1:1 from another G5 school at the worst. If they going to give a 2:1, it will be with a P5 school that puts many more butts in THEIR seats than UC would. Why give UC a 2:1 when it's MUCH more profitable to just find a 1:1 with another G5 program and then sell an away game to somebody who pays a cool $1M or more for it like OSU?

We are already having a very difficult time finding ANY P5 school willing to give us a 1:1 currently. If we drop Miami, the realistic best case replacement is another home-and-home with a different MAC level school that is farther away to travel to, lacks any sense of a tradition/rivalry and probably has even less ticket appeal to UC fans and would travel even fewer to UC than Miami does.

Every program has tickets to sell and everybody wants home games. Unlike OSU or ND, UC doesn't make enough to just buy home games from FBS teams. And we don't come close to selling enough additional tickets for even a G5 to remotely consider a 2:1.

What does Miami bring to the table? If we dropped them where would they get a home/home replacement?

???? They aren't the one talking about dropping the 1:1 with UC. If we forced them to, they'd probably find another 1:1 with another G5 - just like UC would most likely do. Nobody wins, everybody loses....

Quote:I would be fine with 6 home games, 5 away and MU at PBS every year as long as the revenue was split based on each schools ticket sales. Put it in both schools season package.

The only way we do better than a 1:1 nonconference is to buy FCS games (which I thought people don't really want).

If we go with your "plan", what happens with the walk-ups? Do they have to declare a team they are rooting for? What's to prevent UC fans from buying from Miami for better seats? You've perhaps been the most vocal person on the board about not losing your high cost tickets at Nippert for PBS and now you are "fine" with moving at least one game a year there? And a game against an opponent (unlike say OSU, ND or Oklahoma) that probably doesn't need more seats than Nippert, at that? I'm not sure UC (not to mention Miami), would share your enthusiasm for paying an annual non-likely-close-to-a-sellout game rental at PBS right after having completed an expensive renovation of Nippert designed to increase revenue.

I would only be happy with MU at PBS as a way to show MU really does not support the game. The walk up ticket $ would be allocated based on season tickets or go 50-50 to throw needy MU a bone.

(03-03-2014 08:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As we have long discussed, it is not easy to fill the seats for college football in an NFL town. Aside from the numbers that Miami and Pitt are putting up, I think it is possible we do better than what the rest of this group are doing. I'd like to think we have a good strong nucleus of 25K who will show up come heck or high water. Depending on the oppoonent, I think there is another 5-10K of the fair weathered group who will come if the opponent, the weather and kickoff time are right. As others have noted, I do think there are some who will come down to PBS to watch who have been trained to stay away from campus. How many people that translates to will make a huge difference as to whether we can get up to the 40K more.

Hopefully the athletic department puts together some great marketing strategies to get Jim from West Chester, Bob from Bridgetown and Dave from Anderson Twp to pack up the wife and kids and watch the Bearcats at PBS.

Don't forget Dave from Dayton and Mike from Middletown.

I'm not sure that UC can count on 25K from their so-called loyal fans this year. We've already read about a few that are taking a break from the season ticket program. And how many students will actually take the bus and stay for the entire game? Less than 1000 (maybe 500) on average stayed the entire game with the exception of the UofL game.

With this horrible schedule, and now with two byes before starting the season on a Friday night, Subflea needs to begin to save his pennies for my fine bottle of Crown Royal.

Obviously I want the best QB to win the job, but I think UC touting having the #1 QBV recruit in the nation starting for their team may draw in some casual fans. If he is playing well -- it could be the hot ticket. Come see the UC phenom play QB for Tubberville's Bearcats.

If we beat O$U, then certainly people will get very, very, very excited.

(03-02-2014 04:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  If we get out of the gate quickly, and beat either O$U or Miami, and build up some steam with a national ranking then I could see will drawing 38K+ per game at PBS next year. A huge series of If's however. If we stumble, are worse than expected, then by the time our horrid AAC conference games start we will be lucky to draw 28K to PBS.....

In the old days of the quarter systems opening with 2 byes would have been great since the student had not returned yet. Now it sucks!

(03-03-2014 11:25 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 08:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As we have long discussed, it is not easy to fill the seats for college football in an NFL town. Aside from the numbers that Miami and Pitt are putting up, I think it is possible we do better than what the rest of this group are doing. I'd like to think we have a good strong nucleus of 25K who will show up come heck or high water. Depending on the oppoonent, I think there is another 5-10K of the fair weathered group who will come if the opponent, the weather and kickoff time are right. As others have noted, I do think there are some who will come down to PBS to watch who have been trained to stay away from campus. How many people that translates to will make a huge difference as to whether we can get up to the 40K more.

Hopefully the athletic department puts together some great marketing strategies to get Jim from West Chester, Bob from Bridgetown and Dave from Anderson Twp to pack up the wife and kids and watch the Bearcats at PBS.

Don't forget Dave from Dayton and Mike from Middletown.

I'm not sure that UC can count on 25K from their so-called loyal fans this year. We've already read about a few that are taking a break from the season ticket program. And how many students will actually take the bus and stay for the entire game? Less than 1000 (maybe 500) on average stayed the entire game with the exception of the UofL game.

With this horrible schedule, and now with two byes before starting the season on a Friday night, Subflea needs to begin to save his pennies for my fine bottle of Crown Royal.

I know we all hope we get @Tulane to play 8/30 so we do not open with 2 byes. Here is Tulane's OOC Schedule:

Saturday Aug. 30 --- TBA --- ---

Saturday Sept. 6 Yellow Jackets Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
Site TBD, New Orleans, LA

Saturday Sept. 13 Lions Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Yulman Stadium, New Orleans, LA

Saturday Sept. 20 Blue Devils at Duke Blue Devils
Wallace Wade Stadium, Durham, NC

Saturday Sept. 27 Scarlet Knights at Rutgers Scarlet Knights
High Point Solutions Stadium, Piscataway, NJ

Tulane needs to really push to get a confirmation from the Stadium GC that is will be ready to
host games by August 30. Missing out on hosting Cincinnati (early on) and then Georgia Tech
at an on campus stadium would not be optimal.