(03-02-2014 04:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Regardless of what the B12 ends up doing the fact they added TCU and WVA when they did shows you how out of touch they were (are) with the reality of college athletics landscape. Those were knee jerk additions and you look at the B12 now and they still don't have a clue. WVA and TCU are great programs, not knocking them. I'm talking about how/when they were added. Had the B12 taken time, thought things through with some vision and then gotten proactive prior to the ACC moves and added WVA with say UofL, etc they would be in a better spot. Clearly the ACC leadership is superior to the B12 and it's not even close. So the B12 has been bleeding, losing teams, fumbling and bumbling and their current line up, geographic situation, limited market span is screaming for help. If they do implode one day they have nobody to blame but themselves.

I bet if cincy wasn't on the outside looking in, you would have a different opinion. That being said, conference expansion is done by the networks and approved by conference leaders. Obviously our TV partners don't think much of cincy or any of the other small schools mentioned.

Louisville has no one to blame but themselves for not getting an invite. Had they decided to leave the be/aac like West Virginia did, they would be in the Big 12.

(03-02-2014 05:19 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Regardless of what the B12 ends up doing the fact they added TCU and WVA when they did shows you how out of touch they were (are) with the reality of college athletics landscape. Those were knee jerk additions and you look at the B12 now and they still don't have a clue. WVA and TCU are great programs, not knocking them. I'm talking about how/when they were added. Had the B12 taken time, thought things through with some vision and then gotten proactive prior to the ACC moves and added WVA with say UofL, etc they would be in a better spot. Clearly the ACC leadership is superior to the B12 and it's not even close. So the B12 has been bleeding, losing teams, fumbling and bumbling and their current line up, geographic situation, limited market span is screaming for help. If they do implode one day they have nobody to blame but themselves.

I bet if cincy wasn't on the outside looking in, you would have a different opinion. That being said, conference expansion is done by the networks and approved by conference leaders. Obviously our TV partners don't think much of cincy or any of the other small schools mentioned.

Louisville has no one to blame but themselves for not getting an invite. Had they decided to leave the be/aac like West Virginia did, they would be in the Big 12.

um they got an invite..........and to a better conference

(03-02-2014 05:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:19 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Regardless of what the B12 ends up doing the fact they added TCU and WVA when they did shows you how out of touch they were (are) with the reality of college athletics landscape. Those were knee jerk additions and you look at the B12 now and they still don't have a clue. WVA and TCU are great programs, not knocking them. I'm talking about how/when they were added. Had the B12 taken time, thought things through with some vision and then gotten proactive prior to the ACC moves and added WVA with say UofL, etc they would be in a better spot. Clearly the ACC leadership is superior to the B12 and it's not even close. So the B12 has been bleeding, losing teams, fumbling and bumbling and their current line up, geographic situation, limited market span is screaming for help. If they do implode one day they have nobody to blame but themselves.

I bet if cincy wasn't on the outside looking in, you would have a different opinion. That being said, conference expansion is done by the networks and approved by conference leaders. Obviously our TV partners don't think much of cincy or any of the other small schools mentioned.

Louisville has no one to blame but themselves for not getting an invite. Had they decided to leave the be/aac like West Virginia did, they would be in the Big 12.

um they got an invite..........and to a better conference

That is debatable

(03-02-2014 04:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:18 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:32 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i like rice because they have

good facilities
history with the TX schools
elite academics

as much as everyone hates the idea of more tx expansion in the b12. it is more to the benefit of the tx schools who don't want to see their political power diluted down with more additions. so if the b12 does expand by more than 2 teams i think including a tx school to keep UT satisfied is a no brainer. they won't want anything to do with elevating another in-state land grant which leaves rice/smu as the most likely options. having more tx schools give all the other b12 schools more tx access as well. so it is beneficial to the conference as a whole. no offense to smu but i believe that rice provides more of what the b12 is looking for/needs.

John you and I have discussed the Big12 before. No disrespect intended, but I just don't see why you keep posting on something that you do not seem to have a great deal of insight.

For example you say Rice has good facilities. Have you seen their facilities ?

And this has nothing to do with SMU. SMU brings nothing to the table of the Big12, same as Rice.

rice has a 47k stadium that is expandable to 70k. from a stadium perspective rice is in a much better position than most g5 schools in the region looking for a b12 invite.

FYI the Rice stadium was built with a capacity of 72,000. You did not answer my question...Have you seen their facilities? Have you seen their gym and weight rooms etc??? I am sure you have not or you would answer the question.

As I said, your comments indicate you apparently have little insight on schools in this region of the country.

sorry dude but in conference realignment the prospective conferences only care about one facility.......the football stadium. as far as the b12 goes the weight room of rice is not their concern and i haven't exactly seen any quotes from conference admins praising their new additions because of their weight rooms or gyms.

You are the one that brought up facilities getting Rice into the Big12. As for their football stadium, it is run down and out dated....I have seen it....have you? You stilll have not answered my question about having first hand knowledge of their facilities that you brag about...

(03-02-2014 05:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:19 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Regardless of what the B12 ends up doing the fact they added TCU and WVA when they did shows you how out of touch they were (are) with the reality of college athletics landscape. Those were knee jerk additions and you look at the B12 now and they still don't have a clue. WVA and TCU are great programs, not knocking them. I'm talking about how/when they were added. Had the B12 taken time, thought things through with some vision and then gotten proactive prior to the ACC moves and added WVA with say UofL, etc they would be in a better spot. Clearly the ACC leadership is superior to the B12 and it's not even close. So the B12 has been bleeding, losing teams, fumbling and bumbling and their current line up, geographic situation, limited market span is screaming for help. If they do implode one day they have nobody to blame but themselves.

I bet if cincy wasn't on the outside looking in, you would have a different opinion. That being said, conference expansion is done by the networks and approved by conference leaders. Obviously our TV partners don't think much of cincy or any of the other small schools mentioned.

Louisville has no one to blame but themselves for not getting an invite. Had they decided to leave the be/aac like West Virginia did, they would be in the Big 12.

um they got an invite..........and to a better conference

That is debatable

and only opens up a can of worms when we go down that road

(03-02-2014 03:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 02:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 02:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 02:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't think any of those options would ever get a serious look. When the BIG12 finally expands, the biggest factor in choosing programs will be if adding them benefits Texas and OU. TCU gave Texas and OU and easy road game between the two schools, in a talent rich region.

I still think WVU was a bad addition. I doubt the BIG12 will make that mistake again, so the Florida schools don't seem to be real options. New Mexico offers nothing to Texas or Oklahoma. They don't have a market. They aren't in a recruiting hotbed. They don't get the fans of Texas or OU excited. I like Rice, but I can't see Texas adding them to the BIG12, when they can schedule them for a OOC game any time they want. Plus, Texas, along with A&M, already controls more of the Houston market then Rice, just like those two control more of every major market in Texas. I can't see Texas or Oklahoma letting another Texas team into the BIG12. It just wouldn't benefit them.

Yup. Tulane would be more likely than Rice.

I disagree. Tulane is Oklahoma's Rice. Adding them would mean nothing to Texas, and Oklahoma can schedule them in OOC games any time they want.

You could say the same thing about every team you have listed. I don't think Tulane is the choice. I simply said Tulane is MORE LIKELY than Rice. I doubt either is very high on the list. Like I said, I think Cincy and ECU are the best available choices. I don't think the B12 goes beyond 12.

I don't have any teams listed. I think all of these are bad options. When the BIG12 finally does expand, I think they will focus on new larger markets with solid football and basketball that border their current historic footprint. I don't believe the BIG12 will expand in Texas or Oklahoma. Like I stated in another post, I believe Louisville and Memphis will probably get the nod, but probably not until Memphis gets better at football.

Louisville may very well get the nod, but will they accept?? That is the big question, and I have to say that they (UL) will say no to the Big 12's invitation. The Big 12 needs to have a backup plan so I'd say Cincy would be the next team on the Big 12's list besides Memphis & Louisville. I don't see BYU accepting an invitation either (they like being similar to Notre Dame), so the Big 12's options are Memphis, Cincy, UCF, USF, and UConn. If Memphis can't improve its football and/or really elevate its men's basketball, I can see the Big 12 targeting Cincy and UConn, an odd mix, but I can see it working out well for WVU. Then again, the Big 12 might invite just Cincy and call it a day, and have 11 members, especially if the ACC gets their petition about divisions approved.

Louisville is not going to the Big12. Their dream came true when the ACC knocked on their door. If the Big 12 is going to expand (and don't believe that's their intent at this time) and they are going to stay within their present foot print with connecting states then please share which teams will add value to the conference.

(03-02-2014 04:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  rice has a 47k stadium that is expandable to 70k. from a stadium perspective rice is in a much better position than most g5 schools in the region looking for a b12 invite.

I like Rice and yes they have a large stadium that can be expanded back to 70K, but it is a very old stadium. They are renovating the place, but they are still in the same position as every other G5 Texas program. They have no chance at receiving an invitation to the BIG12.

point is they have a stadium. usually there is a minimum bar in terms of stadium capacity that a conference wants when looking at prospective members. rice clearly exceeds that bar and from an age perspective it is very easy to focus on fan experience upgrades than capacity upgrades. from a pure stadium perspective rice has a distinct advantage there.

I've been to Rice stadium. It is big, but not nice, and certainly not an advantage. In fact the size only amplifies the lack of fans in the seats. Like I said, I like Rice, and I'm very glad to be in the same conference with them. I think the fact that not one Rice fans has come on here and backed your argument speaks for itself.

I just don't think any G5 Texas program has a chance at the BIG12.

when is the last time you have seen a rice fan on the cr forum on a regular basis

and at the end of the day rice has advantages in a number of different area's besides their FB stadium

Rice has a great stadium. It may have the best sight lines in all of college football. The campus and setting is nice. Its probably the only current college stadium that has hosted a Super Bowl. It may not have all the bells and whistles, but its a great place to watch a college football game.

(03-02-2014 05:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:19 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Regardless of what the B12 ends up doing the fact they added TCU and WVA when they did shows you how out of touch they were (are) with the reality of college athletics landscape. Those were knee jerk additions and you look at the B12 now and they still don't have a clue. WVA and TCU are great programs, not knocking them. I'm talking about how/when they were added. Had the B12 taken time, thought things through with some vision and then gotten proactive prior to the ACC moves and added WVA with say UofL, etc they would be in a better spot. Clearly the ACC leadership is superior to the B12 and it's not even close. So the B12 has been bleeding, losing teams, fumbling and bumbling and their current line up, geographic situation, limited market span is screaming for help. If they do implode one day they have nobody to blame but themselves.

I bet if cincy wasn't on the outside looking in, you would have a different opinion. That being said, conference expansion is done by the networks and approved by conference leaders. Obviously our TV partners don't think much of cincy or any of the other small schools mentioned.

Louisville has no one to blame but themselves for not getting an invite. Had they decided to leave the be/aac like West Virginia did, they would be in the Big 12.

um they got an invite..........and to a better conference

That is debatable

and only opens up a can of worms when we go down that road

Well, you were the one who pulled out the can in the first place.

(03-02-2014 02:08 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 02:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  as for the b12.......

ucf
usf
new mexico
rice

if i was the b12 commish that's who i would add

Thank goodness you aren't the B12 commish.

THIS ^^^^^^^^

(03-02-2014 07:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:19 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  I bet if cincy wasn't on the outside looking in, you would have a different opinion. That being said, conference expansion is done by the networks and approved by conference leaders. Obviously our TV partners don't think much of cincy or any of the other small schools mentioned.

Louisville has no one to blame but themselves for not getting an invite. Had they decided to leave the be/aac like West Virginia did, they would be in the Big 12.

um they got an invite..........and to a better conference

That is debatable

and only opens up a can of worms when we go down that road

Well, you were the one who pulled out the can in the first place.

well technically he started it when he stated something along the lines that ville lost out in realignment/made a mistake with his earlier post.

(03-02-2014 07:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 07:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  um they got an invite..........and to a better conference

That is debatable

and only opens up a can of worms when we go down that road

Well, you were the one who pulled out the can in the first place.

well technically he started it when he stated something along the lines that ville lost out in realignment/made a mistake with his earlier post.

No. That's not quite true. You started it with your know it all predictions about something you have no knowledge about - the B12.

The B-12 should have worked a package with WV and L'Ville even if they had to wait a year or two for L'Ville. If Texas and Oklahoma had the power everyone thinks they have they could have stalled the TV networks on the TV contracts they were trying to protect.

(03-02-2014 06:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I like Rice and yes they have a large stadium that can be expanded back to 70K, but it is a very old stadium. They are renovating the place, but they are still in the same position as every other G5 Texas program. They have no chance at receiving an invitation to the BIG12.

point is they have a stadium. usually there is a minimum bar in terms of stadium capacity that a conference wants when looking at prospective members. rice clearly exceeds that bar and from an age perspective it is very easy to focus on fan experience upgrades than capacity upgrades. from a pure stadium perspective rice has a distinct advantage there.

I've been to Rice stadium. It is big, but not nice, and certainly not an advantage. In fact the size only amplifies the lack of fans in the seats. Like I said, I like Rice, and I'm very glad to be in the same conference with them. I think the fact that not one Rice fans has come on here and backed your argument speaks for itself.

I just don't think any G5 Texas program has a chance at the BIG12.

when is the last time you have seen a rice fan on the cr forum on a regular basis

and at the end of the day rice has advantages in a number of different area's besides their FB stadium

Rice has a great stadium. It may have the best sight lines in all of college football. The campus and setting is nice. Its probably the only current college stadium that has hosted a Super Bowl. It may not have all the bells and whistles, but its a great place to watch a college football game.

I've seen it up close and personal...sight lines are slightly above average but no where the best. The campus is great but the stadium is in the ugliest spot on campus.
Rice Street View

Without realignment at the top it may all be over.
One SBC spot and possibly one MAC then FBS is set.
A rule change will be needed for future move up candidates. .

The top locked out schools are in the West.
NDSU
MONTANA
MONTANA ST
SDSU
UND

All flagship schools that in ten years could push for inclusion.

(03-02-2014 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i like rice because they have

good facilities
history with the TX schools
elite academics

as much as everyone hates the idea of more tx expansion in the b12. it is more to the benefit of the tx schools who don't want to see their political power diluted down with more additions. so if the b12 does expand by more than 2 teams i think including a tx school to keep UT satisfied is a no brainer. they won't want anything to do with elevating another in-state land grant which leaves rice/smu as the most likely options. having more tx schools give all the other b12 schools more tx access as well. so it is beneficial to the conference as a whole. no offense to smu but i believe that rice provides more of what the b12 is looking for/needs.

I have pointed your ignorance to the political and real world situation when it comes to Rice but you have taken it to a whole new level...

Good facilities? Yeah that one takes the cake. If this was 1950 we would be having an entirely different conversation. Rice was very competitive athletically, a valued member of the SWC, and a superior academic school (they still are academically).

Rice errr Houston Stadium (the stadium was built for both of us to use) has done nothing but deteriorate and have its capacity reduced in the subsequent 60 plus years. Not sure but until recently you could still see the signs (painted over) for the "colored" bathrooms.

Tudor Fieldhouse was renovated in 2008 and is a decent facility now but far from something to brag about at a capacity of 5,750. Honestly it needed the upgrade it was in a very sad state before.

Reckling Park is a probably the crown jewel of their facilities but that should tell you all you need if their baseball stadium is the cream (however good it is) of the crop.

Rice will never be in the B12 at least as long as Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc are in the fold.

Oh and by the way we (UH) are not a land grant school.

(03-02-2014 07:16 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 07:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 07:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 05:48 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  That is debatable

and only opens up a can of worms when we go down that road

Well, you were the one who pulled out the can in the first place.

well technically he started it when he stated something along the lines that ville lost out in realignment/made a mistake with his earlier post.

No. That's not quite true. You started it with your know it all predictions about something you have no knowledge about - the B12.

yeah this is why it is only a can of worms when b12 posters are involved

(03-02-2014 09:07 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i like rice because they have

good facilities
history with the TX schools
elite academics

as much as everyone hates the idea of more tx expansion in the b12. it is more to the benefit of the tx schools who don't want to see their political power diluted down with more additions. so if the b12 does expand by more than 2 teams i think including a tx school to keep UT satisfied is a no brainer. they won't want anything to do with elevating another in-state land grant which leaves rice/smu as the most likely options. having more tx schools give all the other b12 schools more tx access as well. so it is beneficial to the conference as a whole. no offense to smu but i believe that rice provides more of what the b12 is looking for/needs.

I have pointed your ignorance to the political and real world situation when it comes to Rice but you have taken it to a whole new level...

Good facilities? Yeah that one takes the cake. If this was 1950 we would be having an entirely different conversation. Rice was very competitive athletically, a valued member of the SWC, and a superior academic school (they still are academically).

Rice errr Houston Stadium (the stadium was built for both of us to use) has done nothing but deteriorate and have its capacity reduced in the subsequent 60 plus years. Not sure but until recently you could still see the signs (painted over) for the "colored" bathrooms.

Tudor Fieldhouse was renovated in 2008 and is a decent facility now but far from something to brag about at a capacity of 5,750. Honestly it needed the upgrade it was in a very sad state before.

Reckling Park is a probably the crown jewel of their facilities but that should tell you all you need if their baseball stadium is the cream (however good it is) of the crop.

Rice will never be in the B12 at least as long as Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc are in the fold.

Oh and by the way we (UH) are not a land grant school.

1. yeah sorry but having a stadium like that is an asset for any school regardless of age. throw a little bit of money into it and most of the age issue's will go away. rice isn't exactly the only fbs program that has had to deal with this issue.

2. TCU came in with a BB arena that sat only 7k and in dire need of a renovation (which they are about to do). so 5700 isn't that far outside the b12 ballpark. speaking of which.......rice's baseball stadium would be the 2nd biggest in the b12 after UT

3. you missed the whole "if i was the b12 commish" aspect of my post. I picked the 4 best schools that can help the b12 the most and sorry but rice is one of them. what they bring in location, academics, historical rivalries, & football makes them one of the better additions the b12 could go after if they expand to 14. two of the things i like about them is the pre existing mega stadium and elite academics. those are two assets that takes a while to build for any program and rice has them all ready to go. now i am a realist and understand that from a political POV rice has a very hard chance to get in......hence the reason i said "if i was the b12 commish."

my philosophy was based on how to build a long term & stable b12. one of the problems the b12 needs to solve is how to improve their academic portfolio. like it or not a lot of these realignment moves have an academic theme to them and to date we have not seen a p5 move where a school downgraded its academic association. if the b12 wants to have an easier time encouraging new members to join and retaining its current members (most notably texas).....adding a major academic institution helps them in that regard.

i do find it funny that the 3 posters who hate this idea the most root for ntexas, smu, & UH respectively.

(03-02-2014 09:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:07 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i like rice because they have

good facilities
history with the TX schools
elite academics

as much as everyone hates the idea of more tx expansion in the b12. it is more to the benefit of the tx schools who don't want to see their political power diluted down with more additions. so if the b12 does expand by more than 2 teams i think including a tx school to keep UT satisfied is a no brainer. they won't want anything to do with elevating another in-state land grant which leaves rice/smu as the most likely options. having more tx schools give all the other b12 schools more tx access as well. so it is beneficial to the conference as a whole. no offense to smu but i believe that rice provides more of what the b12 is looking for/needs.

I have pointed your ignorance to the political and real world situation when it comes to Rice but you have taken it to a whole new level...

Good facilities? Yeah that one takes the cake. If this was 1950 we would be having an entirely different conversation. Rice was very competitive athletically, a valued member of the SWC, and a superior academic school (they still are academically).

Rice errr Houston Stadium (the stadium was built for both of us to use) has done nothing but deteriorate and have its capacity reduced in the subsequent 60 plus years. Not sure but until recently you could still see the signs (painted over) for the "colored" bathrooms.

Tudor Fieldhouse was renovated in 2008 and is a decent facility now but far from something to brag about at a capacity of 5,750. Honestly it needed the upgrade it was in a very sad state before.

Reckling Park is a probably the crown jewel of their facilities but that should tell you all you need if their baseball stadium is the cream (however good it is) of the crop.

Rice will never be in the B12 at least as long as Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc are in the fold.

Oh and by the way we (UH) are not a land grant school.

1. yeah sorry but having a stadium like that is an asset for any school regardless of age. throw a little bit of money into it and most of the age issue's will go away. rice isn't exactly the only fbs program that has had to deal with this issue.

2. TCU came in with a BB arena that sat only 7k and in dire need of a renovation (which they are about to do). so 5700 isn't that far outside the b12 ballpark. speaking of which.......rice's baseball stadium would be the 2nd biggest in the b12 after UT

3. you missed the whole "if i was the b12 commish" aspect of my post. I picked the 4 best schools that can help the b12 the most and sorry but rice is one of them. what they bring in location, academics, historical rivalries, & football makes them one of the better additions the b12 could go after if they expand to 14. two of the things i like about them is the pre existing mega stadium and elite academics. those are two assets that takes a while to build for any program and rice has them all ready to go. now i am a realist and understand that from a political POV rice has a very hard chance to get in......hence the reason i said "if i was the b12 commish."

my philosophy was based on how to build a long term & stable b12. one of the problems the b12 needs to solve is how to improve their academic portfolio. like it or not a lot of these realignment moves have an academic theme to them and to date we have not seen a p5 move where a school downgraded its academic association. if the b12 wants to have an easier time encouraging new members to join and retaining its current members (most notably texas).....adding a major academic institution helps them in that regard.

i do find it funny that the 3 posters who hate this idea the most root for ntexas, smu, & UH respectively.

It has nothing to do with hating your opinion. We are simply telling you the truth. You are making a ridiculous assumption. If you choose to be irrational, that is your choice.

(03-02-2014 09:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:42 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:07 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i like rice because they have

good facilities
history with the TX schools
elite academics

as much as everyone hates the idea of more tx expansion in the b12. it is more to the benefit of the tx schools who don't want to see their political power diluted down with more additions. so if the b12 does expand by more than 2 teams i think including a tx school to keep UT satisfied is a no brainer. they won't want anything to do with elevating another in-state land grant which leaves rice/smu as the most likely options. having more tx schools give all the other b12 schools more tx access as well. so it is beneficial to the conference as a whole. no offense to smu but i believe that rice provides more of what the b12 is looking for/needs.

I have pointed your ignorance to the political and real world situation when it comes to Rice but you have taken it to a whole new level...

Good facilities? Yeah that one takes the cake. If this was 1950 we would be having an entirely different conversation. Rice was very competitive athletically, a valued member of the SWC, and a superior academic school (they still are academically).

Rice errr Houston Stadium (the stadium was built for both of us to use) has done nothing but deteriorate and have its capacity reduced in the subsequent 60 plus years. Not sure but until recently you could still see the signs (painted over) for the "colored" bathrooms.

Tudor Fieldhouse was renovated in 2008 and is a decent facility now but far from something to brag about at a capacity of 5,750. Honestly it needed the upgrade it was in a very sad state before.

Reckling Park is a probably the crown jewel of their facilities but that should tell you all you need if their baseball stadium is the cream (however good it is) of the crop.

Rice will never be in the B12 at least as long as Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, etc are in the fold.

Oh and by the way we (UH) are not a land grant school.

1. yeah sorry but having a stadium like that is an asset for any school regardless of age. throw a little bit of money into it and most of the age issue's will go away. rice isn't exactly the only fbs program that has had to deal with this issue.

2. TCU came in with a BB arena that sat only 7k and in dire need of a renovation (which they are about to do). so 5700 isn't that far outside the b12 ballpark. speaking of which.......rice's baseball stadium would be the 2nd biggest in the b12 after UT

3. you missed the whole "if i was the b12 commish" aspect of my post. I picked the 4 best schools that can help the b12 the most and sorry but rice is one of them. what they bring in location, academics, historical rivalries, & football makes them one of the better additions the b12 could go after if they expand to 14. two of the things i like about them is the pre existing mega stadium and elite academics. those are two assets that takes a while to build for any program and rice has them all ready to go. now i am a realist and understand that from a political POV rice has a very hard chance to get in......hence the reason i said "if i was the b12 commish."

my philosophy was based on how to build a long term & stable b12. one of the problems the b12 needs to solve is how to improve their academic portfolio. like it or not a lot of these realignment moves have an academic theme to them and to date we have not seen a p5 move where a school downgraded its academic association. if the b12 wants to have an easier time encouraging new members to join and retaining its current members (most notably texas).....adding a major academic institution helps them in that regard.

i do find it funny that the 3 posters who hate this idea the most root for ntexas, smu, & UH respectively.

It has nothing to do with hating your opinion. We are simply telling you the truth. You are making a ridiculous assumption. If you choose to be irrational, that is your choice.

yeah i know the statement is clearly abnormal to traditional b12 line of thought. but i do believe that i have been pretty fair/rational in explaining why rice would be a good option.