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Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban never has been shy about calling out the NCAA for its hypocrisy or criticizing college basketball’s one-and-done rule, so it wasn’t surprising that he expounded on those topics before last night’s Mavericks-Chicago game.

Most intriguingly, Cuban believes the NBA’s Development League — with improvements — can be a better training ground for top NBA prospects than them spending one year in college.

“I think what will end up happening — this is my opinion, not that of the league — is that if the colleges don’t change from the one-and-done, we’ll go after the ‘one,’” Cuban said.

Without NCAA College Sports the NBA would whither and Die. No one cares about Minor league sports. The young Guys would never get the coverage They now get. Millions of people have ties to the schools They root for..

If I understand it correctly, the one and done rule is entirely a reaction to the NBA's rules about draft eligibility. The constant exodus of college players is a reaction to the NBA collective bargaining agreement's minimum service requirements to reach free agency. If the NBA would credit players tenure for staying in college, sure some would still go, but many more players would stay extra seasons.

I would also add that minor league sports are a joke for entertainment value compared to college sports. A nice place to have a beer and a hot dog, but no emotional attachment whatsoever.

NBA D-League players are also only paid about $12,000 per year. Until that changes, Europe will be the de facto farm system.

The NCAA already has it in its power to eliminate one and done. Do away with freshman eligibility and many of the top recruits who aren't interested in an education can go straight to Europe or the D-league. I'm betting it would be the latter.

They should do what they do with baseball players, you can go straight out of high school or you play 3 years college.

I'm entirely in favor of the NBA expanding their d-league so that high school players that have absolutely no interest in getting a college education can go pro without using the NCAA as a stepping stone for one season, but I'm confused by Cuban's remarks because as far as I know the "one and done rule" is not an NCAA rule at all and 100% an NBA rule...

from About.com: "The subject of "one and dones" became a larger debate in 2005, when the NBA and its players added an age limit that required players entering the draft to be 19 years old or have completed their freshman year of college. As a result, players who would have jumped directly to the pros out of high school were forced to spend a year in college before entering the draft."

So how exactly is the NCAA supposed to "change from" it?? The NBA needs to simply change their own rule so that players are draft eligible straight out of high school but not NBA eligible, therefore regulating them to d-league purgatory until they reach an NBA-eligible age.

i love college sports, but i would prefer if college sports didn't serve as a farm system for pro sports in America. players who don't want to attend college shouldn't be "forced" to be Big-Men-on-Campus. they should instead toil in anonymity in front of less admiring and smaller crowds. loss of scholarships in sports supported by basketball and football wouldn't concern me either. my interest in college sports could be divided like this: football 80%, MBB 15%, baseball 4%, WBB 1%. i don't really feel someone should get a free ride to college, 10's of thousands of dollars in value, because they can play tennis or dive or other activities better than average. yeah, i know some people care about those sports, but i don't. and i suspect they're generally money losers at all colleges, so not too many other people care about them either.

what are the forces supporting the status quo? ESPN for one. large audiences won't tune in to watch development league games, no matter that the quality of play may exceed college games. the alma mater emotional tie creates emotion and good TV that minor leagues can't produce.

college athletics administrators' and coaches' resist as well. more than likely the number of jobs wouldn't change too much, but they would pay less in minor leagues than they do in college athletics. but, so what? how many of you think college athletics administrators's and coaches' salaries are disproportionately large relative to the utility they produce for society?

(03-02-2014 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They should do what they do with baseball players, you can go straight out of high school or you play 3 years college.

+1

(03-02-2014 09:31 AM)TeleCoog Wrote:  i love college sports, but i would prefer if college sports didn't serve as a farm system for pro sports in America. players who don't want to attend college shouldn't be "forced" to be Big-Men-on-Campus. they should instead toil in anonymity in front of less admiring and smaller crowds. loss of scholarships in sports supported by basketball and football wouldn't concern me either. my interest in college sports could be divided like this: football 80%, MBB 15%, baseball 4%, WBB 1%. i don't really feel someone should get a free ride to college, 10's of thousands of dollars in value, because they can play tennis or dive or other activities better than average. yeah, i know some people care about those sports, but i don't. and i suspect they're generally money losers at all colleges, so not too many other people care about them either.

what are the forces supporting the status quo? ESPN for one. large audiences won't tune in to watch development league games, no matter that the quality of play may exceed college games. the alma mater emotional tie creates emotion and good TV that minor leagues can't produce.

college athletics administrators' and coaches' resist as well. more than likely the number of jobs wouldn't change too much, but they would pay less in minor leagues than they do in college athletics. but, so what? how many of you think college athletics administrators's and coaches' salaries are disproportionately large relative to the utility they produce for society?

I think the NCAA should control the one and done by changing the APR formula. Now if you leave in good academic standing, they don't get hurt. Have it so that the schools only get credit for 1 player a year (or maybe none) who leaves college after their freshman or sophomore year--anything else would count against APR. Those players can go D league, Europe or JC.

(03-02-2014 09:39 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 08:50 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They should do what they do with baseball players, you can go straight out of high school or you play 3 years college.

+1

screw that why force colleges to cater to those morons for two extra years one year is already a disaster and should be done away with by the NBA or as others have said the NCAA should make freshmen sit a year AND earn the proper grades in an amount of classes that COUNT TOWARDS A DEGREE so you would need 24 credit hours of non-remedial courses with a 2.5 to step on the court as a sophomore and force the NBAs hands

it is not about how long the athlete stays it is about making sure the "athlete" that cares nothing about an education never steps foot on or waste the time of a university......going from 1 year to 3 is just a waste of two more years for a university

(03-01-2014 07:57 PM)orangefan Wrote:  If I understand it correctly, the one and done rule is entirely a reaction to the NBA's rules about draft eligibility. The constant exodus of college players is a reaction to the NBA collective bargaining agreement's minimum service requirements to reach free agency. If the NBA would credit players tenure for staying in college, sure some would still go, but many more players would stay extra seasons.

Or, the NBA could change its free agency rules like this:
(1) Every player who is at least 18 years old is eligible to be chosen in the NBA draft, except that players who enroll at an NCAA school become eligible for the first NBA draft after the player's 21st birthday.
(2) Maximum length for a first NBA contract is 3 years.
(3) Every player who is at least 21 and has completed a first NBA contract becomes a restricted free agent when their contract expires, with their team having right of first refusal.
(43) Every player who is at least 25 and has completed a first NBA contract becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Under those rules, players who want to go from HS to the NBA (or D-league or Euro leagues) can do that, and players who want to play college ball can do that.

They would need to increase the salaries in the D league to make this work, because a lot of the top schools pay the one and done crowd more the average D league salary. Kids aren't going to take a pay cut for that crap.

There is little the NCAA can do and with all the crap the NCAA gets wrong it's a shame they get blamed on this.

As I've said before in O'Bannon threads, one thing the NCAA CAN do is deny access to scouts and not share film with any league that does not permit players to be drafted or sign free agent contracts after completing high school eligibility. Scouts want to buy a ticket fine but coaches shouldn't talk to them and the school should use best effort to keep them from the kids.

(03-02-2014 11:51 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  They would need to increase the salaries in the D league to make this work, because a lot of the top schools pay the one and done crowd more the average D league salary. Kids aren't going to take a pay cut for that crap.

The NBA could raise the D-League salary to $30k or $40k, easily. Plus give the players insurance against injury, seminars to explain how agents work (and which ones to avoid), that sort of thing.

Wouldn't mind seeing minor leagues built up for all NCAA sports. It would clean up a lot of the mess where universities sell their souls to give scholarships to people who have ZERO reason for being on a university campus. Most of these kids are so un disciplined and unqualified that universities have to commit actual fraud to keep them eligible. Cue the UNC scandal proclaimers, but don't think for a second that it doesn't happen at almost all D1 schools. They ALL commit academic fraud.

(03-02-2014 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 11:51 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  They would need to increase the salaries in the D league to make this work, because a lot of the top schools pay the one and done crowd more the average D league salary. Kids aren't going to take a pay cut for that crap.

The NBA could raise the D-League salary to $30k or $40k, easily. Plus give the players insurance against injury, seminars to explain how agents work (and which ones to avoid), that sort of thing.

Calipari and WorldWideWes are probably paying over six figure a year now, so any amount less than that is probably below the competitive market value for that type of thing.

(03-02-2014 12:23 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  Wouldn't mind seeing minor leagues built up for all NCAA sports. It would clean up a lot of the mess where universities sell their souls to give scholarships to people who have ZERO reason for being on a university campus. Most of these kids are so un disciplined and unqualified that universities have to commit actual fraud to keep them eligible. Cue the UNC scandal proclaimers, but don't think for a second that it doesn't happen at almost all D1 schools. They ALL commit academic fraud.

Those kids are there to assist the money making arm of these universities and it has always been that way and the universities have always committed academic fraud and the universities are always going to commit fraud because universities want and need that money.

(03-02-2014 12:29 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 12:23 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  Wouldn't mind seeing minor leagues built up for all NCAA sports. It would clean up a lot of the mess where universities sell their souls to give scholarships to people who have ZERO reason for being on a university campus. Most of these kids are so un disciplined and unqualified that universities have to commit actual fraud to keep them eligible. Cue the UNC scandal proclaimers, but don't think for a second that it doesn't happen at almost all D1 schools. They ALL commit academic fraud.

Those kids are there to assist the money making arm of these universities and it has always been that way and the universities have always committed academic fraud and the universities are always going to commit fraud because universities want and need that money.

The universities don't need athletic dept revenue to survive. The only real payoff the schools get from these kids is advertising and marketing. It's great to get that, but far from critical to a university.

(03-02-2014 01:18 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 12:29 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 12:23 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  Wouldn't mind seeing minor leagues built up for all NCAA sports. It would clean up a lot of the mess where universities sell their souls to give scholarships to people who have ZERO reason for being on a university campus. Most of these kids are so un disciplined and unqualified that universities have to commit actual fraud to keep them eligible. Cue the UNC scandal proclaimers, but don't think for a second that it doesn't happen at almost all D1 schools. They ALL commit academic fraud.

Those kids are there to assist the money making arm of these universities and it has always been that way and the universities have always committed academic fraud and the universities are always going to commit fraud because universities want and need that money.

The universities don't need athletic dept revenue to survive. The only real payoff the schools get from these kids is advertising and marketing. It's great to get that, but far from critical to a university.

Successful sports programs increase donations to the university's general fund and academic needs, because they make some donors feel better about their connection to the school, thus more likely to donate larger sums of money.

Even schools with less successful sports programs don't want to downgrade or downsize in sports, because they are concerned that it will weaken the connection of some of the deep-pocketed donors to the university.