(03-01-2014 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 11:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Only because they are so bad it's easy to go undefeated in the MAC. Thier strength of schedule has been a joke.

Yes, but that method has been successful for many teams over the years. Sure, an unbeaten MAC team isn't going to be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P5 team. But they will almost always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss AAC team, because the SOS gap between a MAC and AAC team will almost never be great enough to overcome the loss.

For example, before the bowl games, Northern Illinois had a Sagarin SOS of 117, but UCF's was 101. Not nearly enough to make up the gap had NI gone unbeaten.

This will be a problem for us ...

Its really not. The Sagarin wont be used. Instead you will have a group of 13 making the decision. Those bowl results I posted above will be the kind of thing the decision turns on. They are not going to send a MAC team to be destroyed in another BCS game until the MAC improves their bowl performance.

Throw out everything you think you know about rankings. Its all old model stuff. Its a new system and its designed specifically to get the match up they think will be best.

I think you are engaging in wishful thinking if you believe a committee is going to give deference to the AAC compared to any other G5 conference. To the big powers we are all in the same G5 boat and it will just come down to the respective records.

(03-01-2014 07:39 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  I agree with you trojancampaign that should be our only focus,brand building and waiting for some b12 leftovers. Why would we wqnt to dilute an already diluted product even more?

You are correct that is no need to expand right now...

But, at the same time, I wouldn't be opposed to replacing some of the AAC 12 with other schools.

(03-01-2014 07:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 11:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Only because they are so bad it's easy to go undefeated in the MAC. Thier strength of schedule has been a joke.

Yes, but that method has been successful for many teams over the years. Sure, an unbeaten MAC team isn't going to be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P5 team. But they will almost always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss AAC team, because the SOS gap between a MAC and AAC team will almost never be great enough to overcome the loss.

For example, before the bowl games, Northern Illinois had a Sagarin SOS of 117, but UCF's was 101. Not nearly enough to make up the gap had NI gone unbeaten.

This will be a problem for us ...

Its really not. The Sagarin wont be used. Instead you will have a group of 13 making the decision. Those bowl results I posted above will be the kind of thing the decision turns on. They are not going to send a MAC team to be destroyed in another BCS game until the MAC improves their bowl performance.

Throw out everything you think you know about rankings. Its all old model stuff. Its a new system and its designed specifically to get the match up they think will be best.

I think you are engaging in wishful thinking if you believe a committee is going to give deference to the AAC compared to any other G5 conference. To the big powers we are all in the same G5 boat and it will just come down to the respective records.

If they plan on picking the same teams that would've been picked using a ranking system, then why use a committee at all?

(03-01-2014 07:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 11:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Only because they are so bad it's easy to go undefeated in the MAC. Thier strength of schedule has been a joke.

Yes, but that method has been successful for many teams over the years. Sure, an unbeaten MAC team isn't going to be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P5 team. But they will almost always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss AAC team, because the SOS gap between a MAC and AAC team will almost never be great enough to overcome the loss.

For example, before the bowl games, Northern Illinois had a Sagarin SOS of 117, but UCF's was 101. Not nearly enough to make up the gap had NI gone unbeaten.

This will be a problem for us ...

Its really not. The Sagarin wont be used. Instead you will have a group of 13 making the decision. Those bowl results I posted above will be the kind of thing the decision turns on. They are not going to send a MAC team to be destroyed in another BCS game until the MAC improves their bowl performance.

Throw out everything you think you know about rankings. Its all old model stuff. Its a new system and its designed specifically to get the match up they think will be best.

I think you are engaging in wishful thinking if you believe a committee is going to give deference to the AAC compared to any other G5 conference. To the big powers we are all in the same G5 boat and it will just come down to the respective records.

It has to do with being well informed. These 13 people will watch games and sort through statistics. The average coach has never seen most of the teams on his ballot play. The average writer has rarely or never seen many of the teams on his ballot play. In that case, wins meant much more than anything else. The NCAA is the best example. They don't go straight off of RPI and they don't go straight off of wins.

Good to know we dropped basketball. Thanks OP.

(03-01-2014 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 05:19 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  Getting back to P6, will be hard with the 4 team playoff, they don't want to share their money with us, its like little kids in a sandbox lol.

The only way is an 8 team playoff, the g's have to scream for it an play big time hardball, WE PROVED WE BELONG AS A P6

We don't have to get back into the club for such a conference to be a success. If we claim the G5 BCS slot most years and become the most popular watched, most well known, most watched G5 conference---we can parlay that into significantly higher media earnings. If we can earn at least half of what the P5 earn, we can at the very least stay very competitive with the P5 and will be certain to be included in any possible future D4 configuration.

the sandbox p5 playoff money is 20mil or more where the access slot is 5mil big difference pal, we do want p6 duh, I would say, but they don't want to share the money 6 ways, its like the big 12 is content with 10, will never add a team or two. get used to this it ain't changing any time soon. I was with the big east since its inception, it was nice being on equal ground (bcs). the so called big boys always belittled us, but we continued to beat them.

espn wins getting top notch sports for chump change pay outs, all we can do is not play one season, bb or fb, maybe things will change who the **** knows.

As far as the MWC is concerned, is the AAC not already showing it is better. Is not the AAC performing better in every sport this year?

(03-01-2014 08:08 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 07:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  [quote='Attackcoog' pid='10487087' dateline='1393699150']
I think you are engaging in wishful thinking if you believe a committee is going to give deference to the AAC compared to any other G5 conference. To the big powers we are all in the same G5 boat and it will just come down to the respective records.

If they plan on picking the same teams that would've been picked using a ranking system, then why use a committee at all?

Nobody is saying the committee will just use something like a BCS or RPI formula and do whatever the numbers spit out. My point is that there's no reason to think this committee will tend to look at the AAC teams favorably compared to other G5 conferences.

(03-01-2014 09:45 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  WEST

Boise St.
Houston
SMU
UNLV
Tulsa
San Diego St.
Fresno State

+ Scheduling Agreement w/ BYU

+ Witchita State for Basketball

EAST

Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
ECU
UCF
USF
UCONN

+ Scheduling Agreement w/ Navy

+ VCU for Basketball


***Cutoff the head of MWC for good and create the 6th Power Conference***

Strong in Basketball and Football

Well Balanced

If the American western flanked schools (Houston, SMU, Tulsa) are stuck on Boise and other MWC schools they should join the MWC and stick it to the American.

West::
Boise, Fresno, SDSU, San Jose, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Hawaii FB only.

East:
Houston, SMU, Tulsa, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force, Wyoming, BYU FB only.

(03-01-2014 08:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 07:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 12:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 11:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Only because they are so bad it's easy to go undefeated in the MAC. Thier strength of schedule has been a joke.

Yes, but that method has been successful for many teams over the years. Sure, an unbeaten MAC team isn't going to be ranked ahead of a 1-loss P5 team. But they will almost always be ranked ahead of a 1-loss AAC team, because the SOS gap between a MAC and AAC team will almost never be great enough to overcome the loss.

For example, before the bowl games, Northern Illinois had a Sagarin SOS of 117, but UCF's was 101. Not nearly enough to make up the gap had NI gone unbeaten.

This will be a problem for us ...

Its really not. The Sagarin wont be used. Instead you will have a group of 13 making the decision. Those bowl results I posted above will be the kind of thing the decision turns on. They are not going to send a MAC team to be destroyed in another BCS game until the MAC improves their bowl performance.

Throw out everything you think you know about rankings. Its all old model stuff. Its a new system and its designed specifically to get the match up they think will be best.

I think you are engaging in wishful thinking if you believe a committee is going to give deference to the AAC compared to any other G5 conference. To the big powers we are all in the same G5 boat and it will just come down to the respective records.

It has to do with being well informed. These 13 people will watch games and sort through statistics. The average coach has never seen most of the teams on his ballot play. The average writer has rarely or never seen many of the teams on his ballot play. In that case, wins meant much more than anything else. The NCAA is the best example. They don't go straight off of RPI and they don't go straight off of wins.

Correct. But there's also no doubt that stuff like wins and SOS are important and that committee members will factor them into their thinking in a big way. It would be irrational not to.

I do think that AAC football will tend to be regarded as better than MAC football, and that this will factor into committee thinking when a choice has to be made for the access spot.

But, what that means is that we will get the benefit of the doubt over a MAC school if all else is basically equal. If Houston is 12-0 and Northern Illinois is 12-0, Houston and the AAC will get the access bid. But,it will not come close to being enough if the MAC school actually has fewer losses.

(03-01-2014 09:59 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 09:45 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  ***Cutoff the head of MWC for good and create the 6th Power Conference***

First, there's no way the P5 would split their money with that conference and make it a "power".

Second, the "head" of the MWC, Boise and SDSU, dumped the AAC just last year.

Yes well that was "last year" after we added Tulane and Tulsa and left Boise and SDSU scratching their heads about being left on an island without Fresno and UNLV. They were going to have to put their Olympic sports in the Big West and who knows where else. Then Boise got offered the sweetheart $ deal and San Diego had no choice.

This would be different this time.

And NO, I wouldn't worry about the MAC if this was the conference setup.

Actually they left after Tulane & ECU were added.

Good thread Borncoog. I think that at some point in the future, this type of group may be the ticket for a 6th "power" conference.

(03-01-2014 09:45 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  WEST

Boise St.
Houston
SMU
UNLV
Tulsa
San Diego St.
Fresno State

+ Scheduling Agreement w/ BYU

+ Witchita State for Basketball

EAST

Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
ECU
UCF
USF
UCONN

+ Scheduling Agreement w/ Navy

+ VCU for Basketball


***Cutoff the head of MWC for good and create the 6th Power Conference***

Strong in Basketball and Football

Well Balanced

I wish this is the direction the league would have gone after the B-ball schools bailed. Not exactly every same school you have listed, but something like it.

(03-02-2014 01:30 PM)carolinaknights Wrote:  If the American western flanked schools (Houston, SMU, Tulsa) are stuck on Boise and other MWC schools they should join the MWC and stick it to the American.

West:
Boise, Fresno, SDSU, San Jose, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Hawaii FB only.

East:
Houston, SMU, Tulsa, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force, Wyoming, BYU FB only.

If the Big 12 raids the American for Cincy, UCF etc., you might see Houston etc. explore something like this with the MWC.

Until then, paying a $10M exit fee to join another conference making $2M a year in TV money is a nonstarter.

(03-01-2014 09:58 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 09:49 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Everyone wants to dismiss the MAC when the MAC has been in the drivers seat for the 6th bowl slot the last two years.

Then perhaps Tulsa should join the MAC instead.

Believe it or not that was actually considered by the MAC at one time in the 90's.

This was before Tulsa became an established football power in CUSA with high salary coaches obviously.