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RE: Realignment Timeline
(02-28-2014 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Now if someone could do the CUSA/SB/MAC additions the FBS timeline would be complete.
The creation of C-USA was announced by Commissioner Mike Slive at a press conference in Chicago on April 24, 1995.

The 11 charter members were:
Cincinnati
DePaul
Louisville
Marquette
Memphis
Saint Louis
South Florida
Southern Miss
Tulane
UAB
UNCC

The league went into business for Olympic sports starting with the 1995-96 season. Football had to wait until 1996, because only five of those 11 had I-A football programs:
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Southern Miss
Tulane

Everybody knew that Houston was joining the following year, although I just don't remember if that had been publicly announced or not. UAB was transitioning from I-AA to I-AA but did not become an official football member until 1998. South Florida had not yet begun its football program at any level, but immediately did so with the creation of C-USA. They started as a I-AA Independent in 1997 and eventually joined C-USA for football in 2003 -- just in time to switch to the Big East in 2005.
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RE: Realignment Timeline
The 1936-2015 timeline posted at #20 is amazing.

A few errors, like john01992 said, but mostly it's solid.

Georgia Tech joined the ACC in 1978 not 1983. In football, I think they played a partial schedule for 2 or 3 years while their existing contracts were finished.

IMHO, the two things that really kicked off the modern-era of "Realignment" as a constant source of media-speculation were the expansion of the Big Ten to include Penn State, and the exclusive agreement between Notre Dame and NBC to televise all the Irish home games. Taken together, those were revolutionary moves and we are still dealing with the ripple-effects of that today.
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RE: Realignment Timeline
(03-01-2014 09:39 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-28-2014 03:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Now if someone could do the CUSA/SB/MAC additions the FBS timeline would be complete.
The creation of C-USA was announced by Commissioner Mike Slive at a press conference in Chicago on April 24, 1995.

The 11 charter members were:
Cincinnati
DePaul
Louisville
Marquette
Memphis
Saint Louis
South Florida
Southern Miss
Tulane
UAB
UNCC

The league went into business for Olympic sports starting with the 1995-96 season. Football had to wait until 1996, because only five of those 11 had I-A football programs:
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Southern Miss
Tulane

Everybody knew that Houston was joining the following year, although I just don't remember if that had been publicly announced or not. UAB was transitioning from I-AA to I-AA but did not become an official football member until 1998. South Florida had not yet begun its football program at any level, but immediately did so with the creation of C-USA. They started as a I-AA Independent in 1997 and eventually joined C-USA for football in 2003 -- just in time to switch to the Big East in 2005.

9/22/94 There was an agreement in principle to form a new all sports conference with Houston, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, So. Miss and Tulane.

The various basketball schools were added later.
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john1992 - good work.

Most folks have amnesia when it comes to the Pac 12 and forget how unstable it was in the 50's and 60's with it's total collapse and the reforming under a new conference name. Funny how that's forgotten yet most media think the ACC materialized out of whole cloth in 1953.
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(02-28-2014 09:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-28-2014 07:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  June 1998 John Swofford and Mike Tranghese meet in Atlanta to discuss Big East football teams to the ACC and establish an all basketball Big East http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/storie...4915.shtml

Quote from that article:

Quote:...a meeting was held in Atlanta in 1998, in which Tranghese talked with ACC commissioner John Swofford -- among others -- about the possibility of forming an all-basketball Big East Conference.

In order to do that, the Big East would have allowed Miami, Syracuse and Boston College to join the nine-member ACC.

"From those talks, we considered the three [schools]," Robinson said. "But the ACC ain't getting that large. It's too big and too large....

This was the big mistake made by the ACC - not to go to 12 as soon as the SEC and Big 12 did it. If the ACC ever collapses it can all be traced to this one mistake, IMHO.

The ACC experience is one that includes first hand knowledge of what happens when the conference grows too large. In 1933 13 of 23 left to form the SEC. The remainder then added schools to the point of instability when West Va. was added in 1950 to make 17. That tipped the balance and led to the pull out of MD, Duke, Clemson, SC, UNC, Duke, and WF.

Growing to 12 meant that UNC, Duke, and UVa would no longer be able to block matters on their own. Size of the conference and the internal political game has always been intertwined.
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I don't get why the acc didn't jump to 10 when the sec jumped to 12 and the big 10 jumped to 11. ACC invited FSU, why not round things off at 10 with Miami at the same time?
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(02-28-2014 04:57 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I wish someone would come up with a timeline going back to 2003 and including all the drama with Miami, BC, VT, not to mention the collapse of C-USA 1.0

Was thinking the same thing, the ACC, BE, CUSA, MAC stuff of 2002-5 was the stuff of legend.
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john01992 - Georgia Tech becomes the ACC's 8th member in 1978 and began competing in the ACC in 1979.

edit 1: Btw, South Carolina left the ACC in 1971 (not 1972) and became an independent before the 1971-72 school year.

edit 2: Per Wash Post archives, the University of South Carolina announced today (March 30, 19971) that it is withdrawing from the Atlantic Coast Conference until such time as the conference lowers its academic requirements for admission of athletes.
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(03-01-2014 10:58 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't get why the acc didn't jump to 10 when the sec jumped to 12 and the big 10 jumped to 11. ACC invited FSU, why not round things off at 10 with Miami at the same time?

Because UNC, Maryland, and Duke did not want that.

Presidents and Chancellors have to vote to approve additions to the ACC. It was a damn close thing to add FSU and UNC had to revote on the matter because they abstained on the first conference call.
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(03-01-2014 10:58 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't get why the acc didn't jump to 10 when the sec jumped to 12 and the big 10 jumped to 11. ACC invited FSU, why not round things off at 10 with Miami at the same time?
It took only 3 votes to shoot down an applicant. And apparently Miami wasn't well liked:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1990-10...c-director

Quote:October 02, 1990|By Don Markus

Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner Gene Corrigan said yesterday that he was going to meet informally with University of Miami athletic director Sam Jankovich, but that a deal to bring the Hurricanes into the league was not imminent.

En route to a three-day conference of National Collegiate Athletic Association Division I athletic directors in Tucson, Ariz., Corrigan said he doubted the ACC would decide by the Oct. 16 deadline set last week by Jankovich.

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If talks with Miami advance to a more formal stage, the ACC again must vote on two issues: whether to expand to 10 teams and whether that addition would be the Hurricanes. League officials said the ACC also had been considering South Carolina, but the Gamecocks announced last week that they were joining the Southeastern Conference.

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It's not clear whether the ACC will get the necessary six votes to expand further, but it likely will be a close call again if things get that far. In Florida State's case, the league was unanimous in its support for the Seminoles, but only after Duke and Maryland had voted against expansion.

Maryland athletic director Andy Geiger, who lobbied strongly against expansion the first time around, said he wasn't sure how a vote would go this time.

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Geiger, who had been athletic director at Pac-10 member Stanford for the past 11 1/2 years, said the addition of a 10th team could add to scheduling problems in football and basketball.

With nine teams, Geiger said, each school has four home ACC football games, four on the road and three out of conference. With 10, it knocks at least one team out of another's schedule each year. Geiger said it took the Pac-10 more than a decade to balance the football schedule.

On top of that, the addition of two more ACC basketball games, bringing the total to 18, would mean that each school would be giving up the potential for two non-league matchups at a time when there is discussion about shortening the overall schedule.

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The timetable is not in the ACC's favor. Jankovich said he wanted an answer from either the ACC or the Big East by Oct. 16, the day Miami's Board of Regents is scheduled to meet. It took the ACC nearly six weeks to decide whether to invite Florida State.

"And that was done quickly," said Wake Forest athletic director Gene Hooks.
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