(02-26-2014 11:45 PM)GATA Wrote:  Also if you want to follow the Old Testament, follow it down to the word. Shellfish, gluttony, torn clothes, multi-fabric clothing, tattoos, etc.

Bingo.
Don't cherrypick which things in your holy book you WANT to adhere to and which ones you don't.

(02-26-2014 09:21 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:13 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  People identify with the images painted by the media to the point of total distortion of ones own self image. Gays believe that their helpless victims of a ruthless society and conservatives begin believing that morality has demonic root. The VAST majority of people are good, loving, caring, concerned, responsible, and generally empathetic to the concerns of all people who have the potential to be victimized, particularly as a group. Be thankful that the leaders of the conservative movement are often Christians who's faith resides in the one referred to as the Prince of Peace, Jesus.
This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts. It's the Son of God deal who kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of us. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel. Not what the media or maybe even the anarchist has made of him. He serves us all.

And here we go off the deep end! So much for civilty!

The same Conservative movement that invaded a sovereign nation for profit have faith in the "Prince of Peace"?

And I will show you a secular country that uses drones to kill people today without concerns to innocent bystanders. Is currently funneling weapons through Libya to arm elements of the Muselim Brotherhood to fight against Bashar al-Assad in Syria, while turning a blind eye to their atrocities against secular Muselims in villages they control. And also dumped automatic weapons on the sovereign nation of Mexico that are resonsible for deaths of hundreds of innocent lives.

Tell me. Why do you think Jesus, who taught us to turn the other cheek, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and be kind to everyone, would happily discriminate and limit the rights of fellow human beings, simply based on what gender they are attracted to.

Its called free will, something Christians, Agnostics and Atheist all share![/b]

Why the hell should it matter what gender a person's partner is? If a person truly loves someone else, what right do YOU have to tell them whether they can or can not get married.

Over 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce. If marriage is such a "sacred union", why do over half of them end in divorce?

(02-26-2014 11:54 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:21 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 09:13 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  People identify with the images painted by the media to the point of total distortion of ones own self image. Gays believe that their helpless victims of a ruthless society and conservatives begin believing that morality has demonic root. The VAST majority of people are good, loving, caring, concerned, responsible, and generally empathetic to the concerns of all people who have the potential to be victimized, particularly as a group. Be thankful that the leaders of the conservative movement are often Christians who's faith resides in the one referred to as the Prince of Peace, Jesus.
This Jesus who washes the feet of his friends, who eats with sinners, who delights in outcasts, who is drawn to women who have questionable pasts. It's the Son of God deal who kneels at the feet of a very broken-down, used-up woman and tends her dirty, rotten feet and makes himself a servant of the least of us. That's truer than true, and deeper than fact. It's the gospel. Not what the media or maybe even the anarchist has made of him. He serves us all.

And here we go off the deep end! So much for civilty!

The same Conservative movement that invaded a sovereign nation for profit have faith in the "Prince of Peace"?

And I will show you a secular country that uses drones to kill people today without concerns to innocent bystanders. Is currently funneling weapons through Libya to arm elements of the Muselim Brotherhood to fight against Bashar al-Assad in Syria, while turning a blind eye to their atrocities against secular Muselims in villages they control. And also dumped automatic weapons on the sovereign nation of Mexico that are resonsible for deaths of hundreds of innocent lives.

Tell me. Why do you think Jesus, who taught us to turn the other cheek, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and be kind to everyone, would happily discriminate and limit the rights of fellow human beings, simply based on what gender they are attracted to.

Its called free will, something Christians, Agnostics and Atheist all share![/b]

Why the hell should it matter what gender a person's partner is? If a person truly loves someone else, what right do YOU have to tell them whether they can or can not get married.

Over 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce. If marriage is such a "sacred union", why do over half of them end in divorce?

You're seriously accusing me of going "off the deep end" and "abandoning civility" when you seriously invoked Godwin's Law in this discussion?

(02-26-2014 11:32 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:28 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:47 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:41 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  So, my agnostic fiance and I are not allowed getting married in your eyes? Because she and I aren't Christian, we shouldn't be allowed to have a wedding and be considered married?

And straight people get MARRIED at JOPs. Why can't homosexuals get married at JOPs? The marriage at a JOP is given by the state and not a church.

Simply put, you are denying FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS rights that YOU have. That is, by definition, discrimination.

Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Marriage is not a christian practice. It's a practice that people of all religions or no religion take part in. I don't even think the origins of marriage are relevant. Christianity has had no problem stealing pagan holidays and making them its own over the years. Marriage has evolved into something run by the state and the state is not allowed to discriminate.

Marriage in this country has been defined by the Church since the first settlements in country. There was no Constitution at that time. And marriage is defined in the old testment, which predates Christ. That is the same definition that has been followed by the first settlements, ironicly fleeing religious persecution. I don't care what marriage is or was defined as in other civilizations.

The true indication of ignorance is being unwilling to be open-minded about things, and here you display it perfectly.

Marriage is an action recognized by the State now and sometimes performed by a church. A birth is done both in home and in the hospital, but it is recognized as a birth by the state, regardless.

Citing the Old Testament as a Christian is funny to me. If you want to follow the Old testament, then you should be Jewish. To Christians, the Old Testament should be nothing but a history lesson. Jesus said in the New Testament that "he has come to change all that".

It’s quite the contrary my friend, at least I respect and support constitution protection for all, including those I may disagree with. You on the other hand have shown nothing more rabid vitriol and hatred towards anyone that does not share you view. Your comments are the perfect Illustration of why we are seeing legislative overreach in states like Arizona, completely intolerant of other’s views. And your comments are just ignorant and hateful as any anti-gay rhetoric that you have railed against in this thread!

As for your Biblical lessons, save those for your agnostic group of friends. You have neither the understanding or the tolerance for discussion of what Jesus said in the New Testament or what is written is the Old Testament.

(02-27-2014 12:12 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:32 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:28 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:47 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:44 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Funny how your not a Christian but you want to get married like one.

Marriage is not a christian practice. It's a practice that people of all religions or no religion take part in. I don't even think the origins of marriage are relevant. Christianity has had no problem stealing pagan holidays and making them its own over the years. Marriage has evolved into something run by the state and the state is not allowed to discriminate.

Marriage in this country has been defined by the Church since the first settlements in country. There was no Constitution at that time. And marriage is defined in the old testment, which predates Christ. That is the same definition that has been followed by the first settlements, ironicly fleeing religious persecution. I don't care what marriage is or was defined as in other civilizations.

The true indication of ignorance is being unwilling to be open-minded about things, and here you display it perfectly.

Marriage is an action recognized by the State now and sometimes performed by a church. A birth is done both in home and in the hospital, but it is recognized as a birth by the state, regardless.

Citing the Old Testament as a Christian is funny to me. If you want to follow the Old testament, then you should be Jewish. To Christians, the Old Testament should be nothing but a history lesson. Jesus said in the New Testament that "he has come to change all that".

It’s quite the contrary my friend, at least I respect and support constitution protection for all, including those I may disagree with. You on the other hand have shown nothing more rabid vitriol and hatred towards anyone that does not share you view. Your comments are the perfect Illustration of why we are seeing legislative overreach in states like Arizona, completely intolerant of other’s views. And your comments are just ignorant and hateful as any anti-gay rhetoric that you have railed against in this thread!

As for your Biblical lessons, save those for your agnostic group of friends. You have neither the understanding or the tolerance for discussion of what Jesus said in the New Testament or what is written is the Old Testament.

Your personal attacks are indicative of the lack of ammunition you have for this argument, as well as the false accusation that I have shown hate and vitriol to others in this thread. PLEASE quote posts where I have shown such behavior and I will gladly admit to inappropriate behavior and apologize for it.

You are simply bringing up straw man arguments and personally attacking those you disagree with. Even as an agnostic, I have thoroughly read the Bible and actually admire the things the New Testament teaches. You assume that because I remain undecided as to what religion I choose to believe that I am ignorant to what they teach.

Your assumption is wrong.

Now, this thread's intention was to be kept civil. Please act as such.

(02-27-2014 12:22 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:12 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:32 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:28 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 10:47 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  Marriage is not a christian practice. It's a practice that people of all religions or no religion take part in. I don't even think the origins of marriage are relevant. Christianity has had no problem stealing pagan holidays and making them its own over the years. Marriage has evolved into something run by the state and the state is not allowed to discriminate.

Marriage in this country has been defined by the Church since the first settlements in country. There was no Constitution at that time. And marriage is defined in the old testment, which predates Christ. That is the same definition that has been followed by the first settlements, ironicly fleeing religious persecution. I don't care what marriage is or was defined as in other civilizations.

The true indication of ignorance is being unwilling to be open-minded about things, and here you display it perfectly.

Marriage is an action recognized by the State now and sometimes performed by a church. A birth is done both in home and in the hospital, but it is recognized as a birth by the state, regardless.

Citing the Old Testament as a Christian is funny to me. If you want to follow the Old testament, then you should be Jewish. To Christians, the Old Testament should be nothing but a history lesson. Jesus said in the New Testament that "he has come to change all that".

It’s quite the contrary my friend, at least I respect and support constitution protection for all, including those I may disagree with. You on the other hand have shown nothing more rabid vitriol and hatred towards anyone that does not share you view. Your comments are the perfect Illustration of why we are seeing legislative overreach in states like Arizona, completely intolerant of other’s views. And your comments are just ignorant and hateful as any anti-gay rhetoric that you have railed against in this thread!

As for your Biblical lessons, save those for your agnostic group of friends. You have neither the understanding or the tolerance for discussion of what Jesus said in the New Testament or what is written is the Old Testament.

Your personal attacks are indicative of the lack of ammunition you have for this argument, as well as the false accusation that I have shown hate and vitriol to others in this thread. PLEASE quote posts where I have shown such behavior and I will gladly admit to inappropriate behavior and apologize for it.

You are simply bringing up straw man arguments and personally attacking those you disagree with. Even as an agnostic, I have thoroughly read the Bible and actually admire the things the New Testament teaches. You assume that because I remain undecided as to what religion I choose to believe that I am ignorant to what they teach.

Your assumption is wrong.

Now, this thread's intention was to be kept civil. Please act as such.

Pot calling Kettle Black, it is you that have shown intolerance and incivility to more then one person in this thread.

CrazyCajun, since you seem adamant about not backing down from your statement that implied non-Christians were relatable to Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot, I really have no choice but to put ya on ignore.

Have a wonderful evening.

(02-27-2014 12:32 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:22 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:12 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:32 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 11:28 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Marriage in this country has been defined by the Church since the first settlements in country. There was no Constitution at that time. And marriage is defined in the old testment, which predates Christ. That is the same definition that has been followed by the first settlements, ironicly fleeing religious persecution. I don't care what marriage is or was defined as in other civilizations.

The true indication of ignorance is being unwilling to be open-minded about things, and here you display it perfectly.

Marriage is an action recognized by the State now and sometimes performed by a church. A birth is done both in home and in the hospital, but it is recognized as a birth by the state, regardless.

Citing the Old Testament as a Christian is funny to me. If you want to follow the Old testament, then you should be Jewish. To Christians, the Old Testament should be nothing but a history lesson. Jesus said in the New Testament that "he has come to change all that".

It’s quite the contrary my friend, at least I respect and support constitution protection for all, including those I may disagree with. You on the other hand have shown nothing more rabid vitriol and hatred towards anyone that does not share you view. Your comments are the perfect Illustration of why we are seeing legislative overreach in states like Arizona, completely intolerant of other’s views. And your comments are just ignorant and hateful as any anti-gay rhetoric that you have railed against in this thread!

As for your Biblical lessons, save those for your agnostic group of friends. You have neither the understanding or the tolerance for discussion of what Jesus said in the New Testament or what is written is the Old Testament.

Your personal attacks are indicative of the lack of ammunition you have for this argument, as well as the false accusation that I have shown hate and vitriol to others in this thread. PLEASE quote posts where I have shown such behavior and I will gladly admit to inappropriate behavior and apologize for it.

You are simply bringing up straw man arguments and personally attacking those you disagree with. Even as an agnostic, I have thoroughly read the Bible and actually admire the things the New Testament teaches. You assume that because I remain undecided as to what religion I choose to believe that I am ignorant to what they teach.

Your assumption is wrong.

Now, this thread's intention was to be kept civil. Please act as such.

Pot calling Kettle Black, it is you that have shown intolerance and incivility to more then one person in this thread.

I'm still waiting to see evidence of this.

If you two don't watch it, I'm going to accidentally set your accounts where you can only post in the Spin Room for 1 day...then reinstate both of you.

They say Torture is illegal...but that doesn't mean people don't practice it.

(02-27-2014 12:34 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If you two don't watch it, I'm going to accidentally set your accounts where you can only post in the Spin Room for 1 day...then reinstate both of you.

They say Torture is illegal...but that doesn't mean people don't practice it.

A fate worse than death...

(02-27-2014 12:32 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  CrazyCajun, since you seem adamant about not backing down from your statement that implied non-Christians were relatable to Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot, I really have no choice but to put ya on ignore.

Have a wonderful evening.

I simply pointed out that you didn't have to be Christian to commit crimes against humanity as you spouted out! I'm adamant that your Anti-Christian bias is prevalent in the latter threads. You've shown no tolerance of Christians, while I support all rights afforded to gays under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. Sadly you clearly don't support freedom of Religion or Speech. By all means put me on ignore and yourself as well.

(02-27-2014 12:46 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:32 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  CrazyCajun, since you seem adamant about not backing down from your statement that implied non-Christians were relatable to Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot, I really have no choice but to put ya on ignore.

Have a wonderful evening.

I simply pointed out that you didn't have to be Christian to commit crimes against humanity as you spouted out! I'm adamant that your Anti-Christian bias is prevalent in the latter threads. You've shown no tolerance of Christians, while I support all rights afforded to gays under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. Sadly you clearly don't support freedom of Religion or Speech. By all means put me on ignore and yourself as well.

I want quotes to support these arguments you're making.

You are seriously making this stuff up or twisting my words to fit what you want them to mean.

If this is seriously how a discussion with you is going to go, I want no part of it.

(02-27-2014 12:34 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If you two don't watch it, I'm going to accidentally set your accounts where you can only post in the Spin Room for 1 day...then reinstate both of you.

They say Torture is illegal...but that doesn't mean people don't practice it.

Cheifsfan, with all due respect sir you allowed this to begin with his vitriol against Christianity. He has proved tolerance is nothing more then a call to arms against those that do not share his political or social values. Thanks, I'm done!

(02-27-2014 12:50 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:46 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:32 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  CrazyCajun, since you seem adamant about not backing down from your statement that implied non-Christians were relatable to Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot, I really have no choice but to put ya on ignore.

Have a wonderful evening.

I simply pointed out that you didn't have to be Christian to commit crimes against humanity as you spouted out! I'm adamant that your Anti-Christian bias is prevalent in the latter threads. You've shown no tolerance of Christians, while I support all rights afforded to gays under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. Sadly you clearly don't support freedom of Religion or Speech. By all means put me on ignore and yourself as well.

I want quotes to support these arguments you're making.

You are seriously making this stuff up or twisting my words to fit what you want them to mean.

If this is seriously how a discussion with you is going to go, I want no part of it.

As you have mine sir!

"The true indication of ignorance is being unwilling to be open-minded about things, and here you display it perfectly.

Marriage is an action recognized by the State now and sometimes performed by a church. A birth is done both in home and in the hospital, but it is recognized as a birth by the state, regardless.

Citing the Old Testament as a Christian is funny to me. If you want to follow the Old testament, then you should be Jewish. To Christians, the Old Testament should be nothing but a history lesson. Jesus said in the New Testament that "he has come to change all that".

This website has taught me much...

A bunch about our new conference mates.
A bunch about how much (or little) each person cares about everything outside of football.

But more than anything, I learned what Godwin's law is.

And for that, I thank you, people of the Sun Belt message board.

(02-27-2014 12:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  This website has taught me much...

A bunch about our new conference mates.
A bunch about how much (or little) each person cares about everything outside of football.

But more than anything, I learned what Godwin's law is.

And for that, I thank you, people of the Sun Belt message board.

What is interesting is exactly whom has introduced Godwin's law in that thread. Pay close attention Rev because when you read each post in that thread, you get a very clear picture who loves to throw out terms like Neo-Nazi or Facisim. What is ironic, is when reading the beliefs of some of these people, they are actually in sink with Hitler. No, I don't mean they want to cleanse the race of minorities or Jews, although they would be more then happy to cleanse Christians from any debate and have labeled Christians as bigots.

Consider these facts: Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science. So he was secular and didn't believe in Creationism. Hitler had fully discarded belief in the Judeo-Christian conception of God by 1937, but he ultimately shared with the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, a materialist outlook, "based on the nineteenth century rationalists' certainty that the progress of science would destroy all myths and had already proved Christian doctrine to be an absurdity.

Now go back and read in that thread to see whom mocks Creationism, considers Christians biggots and homophobic, and are secular. Its very clear who introduced Godwin's Law....because they actually have similar beliefs.

(02-27-2014 01:56 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  What is interesting is exactly whom has introduced Godwin's law in that thread. Pay close attention Rev because when you read each post in that thread, you get a very clear picture who loves to throw out terms like Neo-Nazi or Facisim. What is ironic, is when reading the beliefs of some of these people, they are actually in sink with Hitler. No, I don't mean they want to cleanse the race of minorities or Jews, although they would be more then happy to cleanse Christians from any debate and have labeled Christians as bigots.

Almost as bad as being in tub with Hitler.

(02-27-2014 01:56 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  This website has taught me much...

A bunch about our new conference mates.
A bunch about how much (or little) each person cares about everything outside of football.

But more than anything, I learned what Godwin's law is.

And for that, I thank you, people of the Sun Belt message board.

What is interesting is exactly whom has introduced Godwin's law in that thread. Pay close attention Rev because when you read each post in that thread, you get a very clear picture who loves to throw out terms like Neo-Nazi or Facisim. What is ironic, is when reading the beliefs of some of these people, they are actually in sink with Hitler. No, I don't mean they want to cleanse the race of minorities or Jews, although they would be more then happy to cleanse Christians from any debate and have labeled Christians as bigots.

Consider these facts: Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science. So he was secular and didn't believe in Creationism. Hitler had fully discarded belief in the Judeo-Christian conception of God by 1937, but he ultimately shared with the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, a materialist outlook, "based on the nineteenth century rationalists' certainty that the progress of science would destroy all myths and had already proved Christian doctrine to be an absurdity.

Now go back and read in that thread to see whom mocks Creationism, considers Christians biggots and homophobic, and are secular. Its very clear who introduced Godwin's Law....because they actually have similar beliefs.

With every word you type, you remove all doubt as to just how stupid you are.

This has been quite illuminating.

(03-01-2014 06:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 01:56 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  This website has taught me much...

A bunch about our new conference mates.
A bunch about how much (or little) each person cares about everything outside of football.

But more than anything, I learned what Godwin's law is.

And for that, I thank you, people of the Sun Belt message board.

What is interesting is exactly whom has introduced Godwin's law in that thread. Pay close attention Rev because when you read each post in that thread, you get a very clear picture who loves to throw out terms like Neo-Nazi or Facisim. What is ironic, is when reading the beliefs of some of these people, they are actually in sink with Hitler. No, I don't mean they want to cleanse the race of minorities or Jews, although they would be more then happy to cleanse Christians from any debate and have labeled Christians as bigots.

Consider these facts: Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science. So he was secular and didn't believe in Creationism. Hitler had fully discarded belief in the Judeo-Christian conception of God by 1937, but he ultimately shared with the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, a materialist outlook, "based on the nineteenth century rationalists' certainty that the progress of science would destroy all myths and had already proved Christian doctrine to be an absurdity.

Now go back and read in that thread to see whom mocks Creationism, considers Christians biggots and homophobic, and are secular. Its very clear who introduced Godwin's Law....because they actually have similar beliefs.

With every word you type, you remove all doubt as to just how stupid you are.

This has been quite illuminating.

And you have been clearly shown to be nothing more then intolarent and hateful little tool on this board.

(03-04-2014 12:45 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 06:27 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 01:56 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(02-27-2014 12:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  This website has taught me much...

A bunch about our new conference mates.
A bunch about how much (or little) each person cares about everything outside of football.

But more than anything, I learned what Godwin's law is.

And for that, I thank you, people of the Sun Belt message board.

What is interesting is exactly whom has introduced Godwin's law in that thread. Pay close attention Rev because when you read each post in that thread, you get a very clear picture who loves to throw out terms like Neo-Nazi or Facisim. What is ironic, is when reading the beliefs of some of these people, they are actually in sink with Hitler. No, I don't mean they want to cleanse the race of minorities or Jews, although they would be more then happy to cleanse Christians from any debate and have labeled Christians as bigots.

Consider these facts: Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science. So he was secular and didn't believe in Creationism. Hitler had fully discarded belief in the Judeo-Christian conception of God by 1937, but he ultimately shared with the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, a materialist outlook, "based on the nineteenth century rationalists' certainty that the progress of science would destroy all myths and had already proved Christian doctrine to be an absurdity.

Now go back and read in that thread to see whom mocks Creationism, considers Christians biggots and homophobic, and are secular. Its very clear who introduced Godwin's Law....because they actually have similar beliefs.

With every word you type, you remove all doubt as to just how stupid you are.

This has been quite illuminating.

And you have been clearly shown to be nothing more then intolarent and hateful little tool on this board.

Yup. You're the victim.

You deny equal rights to other human beings but you're the victim.

Okay, bud.