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Holder Tells State Atty Gen's They Don’t Have To Defend Laws Banning Gay Marriageri
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When was the last time a sitting Attorney General advised state AGs to refuse to defend laws? Probably never. Holder is no more than a criminal himself.


WASHINGTON (NYT) — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Monday injected the Obama administration into the emotional and politicized debate over the future of state same-sex marriage bans, declaring in an interview that state attorneys general are not obligated to defend laws that they believe are discriminatory.

Mr. Holder was careful not to encourage his state counterparts to disavow their own laws, but said that officials who have carefully studied bans on gay marriage could refuse to defend them.

Six state attorneys general — all Democrats — have refused to defend bans on same-sex marriage, prompting criticism from Republicans who say they have a duty to stand behind their state laws, even if they do not agree with them.

It is highly unusual for the United States attorney general to advise his state counterparts on how and when to refuse to defend state laws. But Mr. Holder said when laws touch on core constitutional issues like equal protection, an attorney general should apply the highest level of scrutiny before reaching a decision on whether to defend it. He said the decision should never be political or based on policy objections.

“Engaging in that process and making that determination is something that’s appropriate for an attorney general to do,” Mr. Holder said.

As an example, Mr. Holder cited the landmark Brown v. Board of Education case, which forced public school integration in 1954.

“If I were attorney general in Kansas in 1953, I would not have defended a Kansas statute that put in place separate-but-equal facilities,” Mr. Holder said.

The nation’s first black attorney general, Mr. Holder has said he views today’s gay-rights campaigns as a continuation of the civil rights movement that won rights for black Americans in the 1950s and ’60s. He has called gay rights one of “the defining civil rights challenges of our time.”


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02-25-2014 10:17 AM
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There is no rule of law. That's the antithesis of civilization. So much for "progress".
02-25-2014 10:20 AM
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I keep hoping he'll tell me I don't have to do my job.
02-25-2014 10:22 AM
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Holder is a disgusting, reprehensible individual. Congress has held him in contempt, he should hold himself in contempt.
02-25-2014 11:44 AM
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The ability to refuse to defend laws needs to be addressed; it's essentially another form of veto.
02-25-2014 11:46 AM
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Although I disagree with Holder actually telling people not to follow certain laws, the selective decision to enforce or not enforce laws has been commonplace in the executive branch since the beginning.
02-25-2014 11:55 AM
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(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Although I disagree with Holder actually telling people not to follow certain laws, the selective decision to enforce or not enforce laws has been commonplace in the executive branch since the beginning.

Got any proof of that or is that your twisted feelings?
02-25-2014 11:56 AM
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(02-25-2014 11:56 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Although I disagree with Holder actually telling people not to follow certain laws, the selective decision to enforce or not enforce laws has been commonplace in the executive branch since the beginning.

Got any proof of that or is that your twisted feelings?

Read into the administrations of Adams, Jefferson and Jackson. You'll find that they often enforced or refused to enforce laws if it suited their political agenda.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm just saying we shouldn't act as if it's just now starting to happen.
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Selectively telling people who and when they can circumvent laws on the books remind me the scene from the "Breakfast Club" where Bender asks the principal, "Why does Andrew get to get up?"


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(02-25-2014 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:56 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Although I disagree with Holder actually telling people not to follow certain laws, the selective decision to enforce or not enforce laws has been commonplace in the executive branch since the beginning.

Got any proof of that or is that your twisted feelings?

Read into the administrations of Adams, Jefferson and Jackson. You'll find that they often enforced or refused to enforce laws if it suited their political agenda.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm just saying we shouldn't act as if it's just now starting to happen.

It has happened, and those president's administrations have suffered. Therefore, it should be avoided, but this president (and his spastic AG) considers themselves special.

Or they just don't f*ucking care.
02-25-2014 12:16 PM
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(02-25-2014 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:56 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Although I disagree with Holder actually telling people not to follow certain laws, the selective decision to enforce or not enforce laws has been commonplace in the executive branch since the beginning.

Got any proof of that or is that your twisted feelings?

Read into the administrations of Adams, Jefferson and Jackson. You'll find that they often enforced or refused to enforce laws if it suited their political agenda.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm just saying we shouldn't act as if it's just now starting to happen.

And all three were nearly brought up on impeachment charges a few times.. I don't think people realize how close Jefferson (in particular) actually came to being brought up for a vote for impeachment and being tossed out of office.
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(02-25-2014 01:01 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:56 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Although I disagree with Holder actually telling people not to follow certain laws, the selective decision to enforce or not enforce laws has been commonplace in the executive branch since the beginning.

Got any proof of that or is that your twisted feelings?

Read into the administrations of Adams, Jefferson and Jackson. You'll find that they often enforced or refused to enforce laws if it suited their political agenda.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it's okay. I'm just saying we shouldn't act as if it's just now starting to happen.

And all three were nearly brought up on impeachment charges a few times.. I don't think people realize how close Jefferson (in particular) actually came to being brought up for a vote for impeachment and being tossed out of office.

Very True.
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Where is UofMemphis to tell us that it's the law and they HAVE to listen to it because it's THE LAW? I hear it all the time about other gay laws... Let's hear it for this one.
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The Libs in New York were going crazy when a number of sheriffs refused to enforce Cuomo's Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act. They were writing op eds and letters to the editor, asking for impeachment of any sheriff who refused to enforce the law.

Hypocrites.
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(02-25-2014 02:52 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  The Libs in New York were going crazy when a number of sheriffs refused to enforce Cuomo's Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act. They were writing op eds and letters to the editor, asking for impeachment of any sheriff who refused to enforce the law.

Hypocrites.

I've yet to meet a liberal who isn't a hypocrite. Anyone who gets mad at you for insulting obama is a hypocrite, they were extreme against Bush for 8 f*cking years.
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