The NFL will probably institute a 15 yard penalty (1st time offense) and an ejection (2nd time offense) for the use of a "racial slur". Obviously, this could trickle its way down to the NCAA as well.

What is everyone's thoughts on the potential change? Good? Bad? Personally, it sounds ridiculous to me, but that's just the PC culture we live in today unfortunately.

Ref:"Personal Foul on the defense, #76, use of a racial slur. That's an automatic first down!"

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/105006...lurs-games

(02-23-2014 04:09 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  The NFL will probably institute a 15 yard penalty (1st time offense) and an ejection (2nd time offense) for the use of a "racial slur". Obviously, this could trickle its way down to the NCAA as well.

What is everyone's thoughts on the potential change? Good? Bad? Personally, it sounds ridiculous to me, but that's just the PC culture we live in today unfortunately.

Ref:"Personal Foul on the defense, #76, use of a racial slur. That's an automatic first down!"

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/105006...lurs-games

And once again "PC" is a synonym for "nice" and "respectful". Not sure where you work, Jim, but where I worked if you used a racial slur you'd be sitting home for 3 days minimum. And that's been the case since long before "PC" came into the vernacular. The NFL is a workplace-you accept certain things that go with the job, like the hitting and the pain. You don't have to accept racism in your workplace.

(02-23-2014 07:33 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-23-2014 04:09 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  The NFL will probably institute a 15 yard penalty (1st time offense) and an ejection (2nd time offense) for the use of a "racial slur". Obviously, this could trickle its way down to the NCAA as well.

What is everyone's thoughts on the potential change? Good? Bad? Personally, it sounds ridiculous to me, but that's just the PC culture we live in today unfortunately.

Ref:"Personal Foul on the defense, #76, use of a racial slur. That's an automatic first down!"

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/105006...lurs-games

And once again "PC" is a synonym for "nice" and "respectful". Not sure where you work, Jim, but where I worked if you used a racial slur you'd be sitting home for 3 days minimum. And that's been the case since long before "PC" came into the vernacular. The NFL is a workplace-you accept certain things that go with the job, like the hitting and the pain. You don't have to accept racism in your workplace.

The NFL certainly has the authority to change their rules to include player's language on the field if they wish to do so. However, if they do decide to ban the use of offensive language from the game, then I would hope that they would identify more that just racist comments as being offensive. Of course,like beauty, what is considered offensive is often in the eye of the beholder. Still, I believe they should also include homophobic and ethnic slurs (including "hillbilly", "white trash" etc. and other such pejoratives) as well as profanity of a personal nature directed at opposing players. Otherwise, like it or not, the NFL is sending a strong message that while it considers racist comments as offensive, these other behaviors are not really that offensive (to the NFL at least) and are therefore, by contrast (i.e., no penalty), tacitly condoned.

When the NFL makes rules about protecting the QB for example, they are making value judgments regarding safety of the QB that have no implications beyond the football field; however when the NFL makes rules based on what is and what is not offensive language, then they are making value judgments that have implications that go well beyond the gridiron. So with regards to offensive language, I think it should be all or none, otherwise they are sending an unintended message to their viewers.

Does this include the name of the Washington team?

Racial taunting got so bad in soccer that players are now facing as much as five game suspensions. A lot of that comes from the EU Charter of Rights about discrimination and work place rules.

Remember, the NFL is operating under a different set of conditions than the NCAA. The field in the NFL is a workplace and subject to Federal workplace discrimination rules. In the NCAA the field is only a workplace for the coaches and staff. The NFL has greater risk than the NCAA on this matter.

From a marketing standpoint, TV is doing more open mic stuff and even with delays runs the risk of something slipping through. While it's not great marketing for a m*****f***** to slip through, it poses less potential marketing damage for the NFL than a racial slur slipping through.

A no bias rule went into effect for all NJ high school sports this year. The rule covers racial, sexual, ethnic, national origin, sexual orientation and religion. A statement must be read over the PA system before all games. Not only is it a penalty for a player, penalties can be given for coaches and staff and taunts from the crowd. It covers spoken words and gestures.
This became a factor in an away football game for my local high school. Personal fowls were called on two different players from the home team in a game. From what I've read, the penalties have been going the opposite way from what the P.C. crowd expected. It is mostly inner city minority kids getting called for what they are saying to suburban white kids. The penalty can include ejection from the game and a suspension from the next game.

(02-24-2014 09:54 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  A no bias rule went into effect for all NJ high school sports this year. The rule covers racial, sexual, ethnic, national origin, sexual orientation and religion. A statement must be read over the PA system before all games. Not only is it a penalty for a player, penalties can be given for coaches and staff and taunts from the crowd. It covers spoken words and gestures.
This became a factor in an away football game for my local high school. Personal fowls were called on two different players from the home team in a game. From what I've read, the penalties have been going the opposite way from what the P.C. crowd expected. It is mostly inner city minority kids getting called for what they are saying to suburban white kids. The penalty can include ejection from the game and a suspension from the next game.

A Texas State player drew a 15 yard penalty for doing the Texas State handsign to the TXST fans seated by the end zone. Official depending on the report you look at either thought it was a gang sign or thought it was hostile.

Dumb rule, they already had one in place called "Unsportsmanlike Conduct". How often have we had reports of a player making racial taunts on the field during play? I'm sure that word gets spoken on the field quite often, but from a black player to a black player - so I hope they flag it every time it is spoken regardless of who says it.

(02-25-2014 06:18 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Dumb rule, they already had one in place called "Unsportsmanlike Conduct". How often have we had reports of a player making racial taunts on the field during play? I'm sure that word gets spoken on the field quite often, but from a black player to a black player - so I hope they flag it every time it is spoken regardless of who says it.

I think you're onto something here. They don't need a new penalty, just expand the Unsportsmanlike Conduct rule to cover these situations.

And why just for the infamous "N word"? Why not for any slur, especially with the first openly gay play trying to make it in the league? There was a guy from the NFL committee this morning on tv saying this was done in regards to the Redskins-Eagles game. That was a comment from a referee to a player. Also, if it's in response to the Incognito-Martin nonsense that was in a locker room between teammates. Unsportsmanlike Conduct is a broad enough penalty they can lump all of this right in there.

Oddly, the NBA just saw their first openly gay player signed the other day with the Nets. Good thing it was the Nets too, or else Kevin Garnett would be all over him calling him every unspeakable thing in the book, but now they're teammates and he's saved from himself.