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RE: Full props to Rath
(02-22-2014 09:32 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 08:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Probably best to read the entire interview than cherry pick one or two lines. There's really nothing new in it that most of us don't already know unless they're a complete Pollyanna or Cassandra. I do think it's funny how he claims things are so calm and stable in the ACC with all the uncertainty of the Maryland lawsuit which could expose a lot of skeletons in their closets and the ACC network troubles hanging over their heads.

Did read the entire article - 3 times. I was shocked to see that Whit was one of those guys that was hoping that UC would get an invite if UC could get prettier. But things were out of his control - yuck.

If our leadership is not in control of UC's future, then we are really in trouble. Again, Pitt's Chancellor, who had less to offer than UC, got in there and negotiated a place for Pitt to land.

Jeeze, I think the next positive statement you say about UC athletics future conference affiliation will be your 1st ~

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LOL, remembering a few hundred in the stands and a condemned stadium and you think this is the worst of times.

Whit tried and the program made strides... BLAME MT that's the @ss that ran a BCS program like it was the MAC.

EDIT added clarification about conference affiliation
 
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Quote:Jeeze, I think the next positive statement you say about UC athletics future conference affiliation will be your 1st ~

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(02-22-2014 01:55 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  LOL, remembering a few hundred in the stands and a condemned stadium and you think this is the worst of times.

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Yes, I wrote that exactly - "this is the worst of times."

Let's see - I attended 10 out of the 13 football games this season, and after today have made 85% of home basketball games including last Wednesday's game in Orlando. I must believe that "this is the worst of times."

In fact, I first met you tailgating during a road trip to Virginia Tech. Tailgating on the road prior to Big East membership virtually did not exist. Heck, it didn't exist at home games back then. I believe long term life in the AAC will kill off what the Big East brought.

But BearcatJerry summed up the true feeling of too many people that post on these boards, and too many former people in leadership at UC, "Part of life is realizing that very few things are actually in your direct "control."


Sorry, I simply don't agree with that - and would find it abhorrent if someone in leadership at UC agreed with it.

So I'll keep going to games both at home and on the road, and cheer for my Bearcats. But I won't sit silently when folks talk about how unlucky we are that we lost this game of musical chairs.
 
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(02-22-2014 05:11 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  So I'll keep going to games both at home and on the road, and cheer for my Bearcats.

On this we are in complete agreement.

(And no... It is not the "worst of times." It really isn't.)
 
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(02-21-2014 11:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  You guys are really going to hate Memphis and Tulane

Don't you have somewhere to be?
 
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(02-21-2014 06:34 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Sometime back, Rath stated that you'll know how realignment is going when Babcock applies for another AD gig. Some on here said "No", VT is Whit's dream job.

Now Whit confirms Rath's prediction:

From a recent Whit Babcock interview -
"I also learned that a lot of it is out of your control........I hope for their (UC) sake that it’s not too late, but who knows, the door may be closed on (another conference)."

Scary that he went to work each day thinking this. Thank you, Virginia Tech. Now they are on my Christmas card list with Illinois.

Rath definitely it. Whit was the canary in the coal mine. He was a lightweight who passed out at the first sign of gas. He also proved himself to be the wrong guy for this job.

There is a ton an ad can do to position us for a conference bid. To say we are at the mercy of the wind is nuts. I have no doubt in my mind that if Bob goin were still here we would not be in the AAC now.
 
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(02-22-2014 05:43 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  There is a ton an ad can do to position us for a conference bid. To say we are at the mercy of the wind is nuts. I have no doubt in my mind that if Bob goin were still here we would not be in the AAC now.

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(02-22-2014 06:02 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 05:43 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  There is a ton an ad can do to position us for a conference bid. To say we are at the mercy of the wind is nuts. I have no doubt in my mind that if Bob goin were still here we would not be in the AAC now.

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I think this is one of the reason's Ono hired Bohn. The guy has been an AD in the conference realignment wars and knows what it takes. Whit on balance did a good job IMO and walked into a hornet's nest of conference issues as a first time AD. On the plus side he finally got the Nippert renovation off the ground, hired TT and got the ball rolling again on some of the olympic sports. On the downside, he's signed off on some questionable scheduling decisions and left this place without a lot of experienced leadership in the athletic department administration.
 
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(02-22-2014 06:18 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 06:02 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 05:43 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  There is a ton an ad can do to position us for a conference bid. To say we are at the mercy of the wind is nuts. I have no doubt in my mind that if Bob goin were still here we would not be in the AAC now.

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I think this is one of the reason's Ono hired Bohn. The guy has been an AD in the conference realignment wars and knows what it takes. Whit on balance did a good job IMO and walked into a hornet's nest of conference issues as a first time AD. On the plus side he finally got the Nippert renovation off the ground, hired TT and got the ball rolling again on some of the olympic sports. On the downside, he's signed off on some questionable scheduling decisions and left this place without a lot of experienced leadership in the athletic department administration.

I agree EJ that's why I scratech my head at the whining. Whit did start getting the University in position far, far more than anything MT did. Whit made a strong run and was unsuccessful in getting the University in the ACC... yes he looked defeated but as others pointed out so did UL and Jurich when they lost out on the B12.

Whit brought back some scholarships and Olympic sports, and an all important upgrade to the stadium. Many are complaining about Whit's defeatist attitude and displaying many of the same behaviors IMO.

Bohn was brought in to take the University to the next level.

Rag I know you're a long time supporter of the program. Take a deep breath.
 
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(02-22-2014 11:38 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 06:18 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 06:02 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 05:43 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  There is a ton an ad can do to position us for a conference bid. To say we are at the mercy of the wind is nuts. I have no doubt in my mind that if Bob goin were still here we would not be in the AAC now.

01-ncaabbs01-ncaabbs01-ncaabbs

I think this is one of the reason's Ono hired Bohn. The guy has been an AD in the conference realignment wars and knows what it takes. Whit on balance did a good job IMO and walked into a hornet's nest of conference issues as a first time AD. On the plus side he finally got the Nippert renovation off the ground, hired TT and got the ball rolling again on some of the olympic sports. On the downside, he's signed off on some questionable scheduling decisions and left this place without a lot of experienced leadership in the athletic department administration.

I agree EJ that's why I scratech my head at the whining. Whit did start getting the University in position far, far more than anything MT did. Whit made a strong run and was unsuccessful in getting the University in the ACC... yes he looked defeated but as others pointed out so did UL and Jurich when they lost out on the B12.

Whit brought back some scholarships and Olympic sports, and an all important upgrade to the stadium. Many are complaining about Whit's defeatist attitude and displaying many of the same behaviors IMO.

Bohn was brought in to take the University to the next level.

Rag I know you're a long time supporter of the program. Take a deep breath.

Crew, Jackie - I think we are largely on the same page.

I am not really concerned with Whit's defeatist attitude and I do think he definitely made significant contributions and helped us while he was hear.

I think people liked and were supporters of Whit for all the right reasons (smart, engaging, energizing, relational, action oriented AD) but also projected those things further to see Whit as something he was not and that is a HEAVYWEIGHT. Whit had been in a supporting AD role throughout his tenure before he arrived at UC (WVU and Missouri).

Hiring a "name" FB coach to a program in limbo is an accomplishment. And that is his accomplishment alone. But I think getting the scholarships for olympic sports is much more about Ono's strong sports support than Whit.

Building a coalition to support your entry into a conference is a big task and I don't think Whit for all his talent was "there" yet.

Bohn has done it before as had Bob Goin. And as Jackie pointed out, I think it is the sole reason he was brought on.

Truthfully I could care less if Bohn sees UC as a stepping stone to his huge money dream AD job (UCLA, ND, Texas etc etc etc) That would be FINE with me. Just get us out of this conference and you have done your job. We will throw the going away party in sincere gratitude.

Then we can hire the up and comer, sharp marketer, out in the community relationship builder, like Whit and be just fine.

Right now we need a guy whose sole mission is to be on the phone or on a plane - selling.
 
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Agree EJ, sometime people can be in "violent agreement" as we used to say in the Army...

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(02-23-2014 11:15 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Right now we need a guy whose sole mission is to be on the phone or on a plane - selling.

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Let me preface my comments first with the fact that I knew Whit personally, and had numerous conversations with him - even on the conference situation. He was always generous with his time, and a great family man.

Yet, the athletic department he left is now void of any experienced, senior leadership. There were definitely staff cuts for budgetary reasons, and Whit's desire to handle things himself. Scheduling decisions with football has us in a precarious position of opening the season with a league opponent, or with two byes. And CTT is not happy.

Yes, both Ono and Whit got the Nippert project off the ground with Whit doing most of the fundraising for the suites. And some of the Olympic sports got some of their scholarships returned. But not all, as one sport I follow closely will surely attest.

UC must have someone in leadership (or someone hired by leadership), as Eastside suggests, that is out selling UC fulltime. And that's not just buying someone a few drinks as someone on the board commented. Selling is helping someone to realize that they have real, definable needs (whether they currently embrace it or not), and demonstrating that you can help provide the solution for those needs. And that person that is "selling" must go about it everyday with a clear understanding that everyone, and in UC's case every conference and every member school, has some real needs. And do whatever it takes to make UC the solution.
 
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