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Lawn Care Question
For those who know something about treating lawns...

I have bermuda. I'm trying to find either a liquid or granular pre-emergent.

Any ideas?

Scotts has Halt Crabgrass Preventer, but that isn't supposed to be applied until mid-March.

I'm looking for an all-around pre-emergent product that can be applied now.
02-21-2014 10:44 AM
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Used to spray my own yard. Took pride in doing it myself. Life is easier and simpler now that I hired a company. Finding and properly using quality pre-emergents was always the most difficult aspect because they aren't widely used for DIY lawn care. The ones you find at Home Depot or Lowes are largely crap, like most DIY lawn products.

For the best results, buy the chemicals the pros use. They are going to be at agricultural co-ops or places like Tractor Supply. I wish I could remember the name of the pre-emergent I used. I suggest doing some research and contacting local co-ops to find the best product. This website from Mississippi State is very useful, particularly the tables at the bottom of the article.

http://msucares.com/lawn/lawn/weeds.html
02-21-2014 10:52 AM
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(02-21-2014 10:52 AM)TigerNK Wrote:  Used to spray my own yard. Took pride in doing it myself. Life is easier and simpler now that I hired a company. Finding and properly using quality pre-emergents was always the most difficult aspect because they aren't widely used for DIY lawn care. The ones you find at Home Depot or Lowes are largely crap, like most DIY lawn products.

For the best results, buy the chemicals the pros use. They are going to be at agricultural co-ops or places like Tractor Supply. I wish I could remember the name of the pre-emergent I used. I suggest doing some research and contacting local co-ops to find the best product. This website from Mississippi State is very useful, particularly the tables at the bottom of the article.

http://msucares.com/lawn/lawn/weeds.html

Thanks. I'm finding the same thing. Maintenance products are easy to find everywhere. Pre-emergent -- not so much. :(

I'll check out the link.

I've got 1 acre, which really isn't much, but it's expensive to have the entire yard treated by a company. And they usually run around 6 treatments a year. I used to let them treat the front and I'd treat the back, but I figured what the heck.

Last year I didn't do a pre-emergent and you could tell.
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02-21-2014 10:59 AM
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Could you let me know how about you go about treating it yourself? We were going to let someone treat ours as well but I think I may try it myself. Right I need to get rid of the weeds. Ugh
02-22-2014 12:43 AM
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Same here. I won't buy the DIY stuff. I did not think about co-ops and such. There is a county co-op about 4 miles from my house. I will try there and see what they say. My neighbor owns a lawn care company but I would feel bad asking him what to buy when I don't use his services. If the co-op gives any useful advice I will post it here.
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The Scott's products actually do really well.

They have a tool on their site where you provide info about your lawn and they give you a maintenance schedule and products needed.

It looks like the only preemergent (preventative) product they have is Halts Crabgrass. It prevents around 6 kinds of weeds. I'm trying to find a product that prevents considerably more than 6. Other than that, I used the Scott's products. They work as advertised.
02-22-2014 08:18 AM
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I used Scotts crabgrass preemergent. Worked really well.
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(02-22-2014 07:03 AM)eltigre Wrote:  Same here. I won't buy the DIY stuff. I did not think about co-ops and such. There is a county co-op about 4 miles from my house. I will try there and see what they say. My neighbor owns a lawn care company but I would feel bad asking him what to buy when I don't use his services. If the co-op gives any useful advice I will post it here.

He may not mind, as he might feel like he is building a relationship with a possible future client. I have buddies and acquaintances who do their own taxes that ask me questions all of the time. I do not mind answering because I know eventually they will get tired of doing it or will be unable to due to complexity and will more than likely use me at that time because of they have already been coming to me for questions and advice.
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(02-21-2014 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  For those who know something about treating lawns...

I have bermuda. I'm trying to find either a liquid or granular pre-emergent.

Any ideas?

Scotts has Halt Crabgrass Preventer, but that isn't supposed to be applied until mid-March.

I'm looking for an all-around pre-emergent product that can be applied now.

Apply the Scott's Halts now. The mid March time frame is all about the weather and it is already getting warm enough. Dormant seeds are already popping out. Don't wait. Do it this weekend.
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(02-22-2014 03:44 PM)BluueTiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2014 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  For those who know something about treating lawns...

I have bermuda. I'm trying to find either a liquid or granular pre-emergent.

Any ideas?

Scotts has Halt Crabgrass Preventer, but that isn't supposed to be applied until mid-March.

I'm looking for an all-around pre-emergent product that can be applied now.

Apply the Scott's Halts now. The mid March time frame is all about the weather and it is already getting warm enough. Dormant seeds are already popping out. Don't wait. Do it this weekend.

That's what I did.

For lack of finding a more complete (and liquid) product, I went with the Scott's Halts.

Did it Saturday, 2/22. In an hour or so. Man, having the right tools sure helps. Lawn tractor with a spreader. Pretty quick.

So, around 4/22 I'll do a weed-n-feed.
02-24-2014 03:11 PM
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(02-24-2014 03:11 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(02-22-2014 03:44 PM)BluueTiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2014 10:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  For those who know something about treating lawns...

I have bermuda. I'm trying to find either a liquid or granular pre-emergent.

Any ideas?

Scotts has Halt Crabgrass Preventer, but that isn't supposed to be applied until mid-March.

I'm looking for an all-around pre-emergent product that can be applied now.

Apply the Scott's Halts now. The mid March time frame is all about the weather and it is already getting warm enough. Dormant seeds are already popping out. Don't wait. Do it this weekend.

That's what I did.

For lack of finding a more complete (and liquid) product, I went with the Scott's Halts.

Did it Saturday, 2/22. In an hour or so. Man, having the right tools sure helps. Lawn tractor with a spreader. Pretty quick.

So, around 4/22 I'll do a weed-n-feed.

Just be sure the daytime temps are at 70 or above. It will take that temp to make the bermuda start growing and also to make the weed control work. Just be sure the first number in the fertilizer is high like 34-4-4 or 27-3-3. The nitrogen will make the grass deep green. And thick heavy growth will help choke out weed growth.
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I've been reading through and we have decided to take it on ourselves. I think it is going to be a task but hopefully it will be cheaper than having someone come do it.

Somewhere there is another thread about lawn care and I can't find it or remember where it is. Someone was talking about the annoying purple weeds and what not.

I need to get rid of a crap ton of weeds and get the grass coming back and thicker to choke the weeds off and help keep them from coming back. I know it is a time thing but I really want to get rid of them all as quick as I can bc I don't want my 18 month old playing in weeds.

I think I can do it, husband just needs to let me get all the supplies I need and get to tackling it
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Last time I was there, Sam's Club had a good price for Scott's products.
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What is the best weed killer? I have Bermuda as well.


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I believe I have Bermuda as well. Not really sure what type of weeds I have. I know I have those stupid purple ones as well as some that look like clovers and some others that look like bright green grass. I'm trying to see if something like lowes or tractor supply is best. I'm also trying to look up what all I need to do. Such as fertilizer, weed killer/prevention, pre-emergent or do all of it.
It is really kind of hard to tell if you haven't done it yourself before.
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If you have Bermuda, spray all your weeds with Roundup ASAP. Roundup is a post emergence herbicide, which means it only kills actively growing grasses and weeds. Since the Bermuda is not actively growing right now, you will just be killing the weeds. This week looks like a good time since it will be sunny and dry. Roundup kills EVERYTHING green, so once the Bermuda starts kicking in, stop using it. If you have a little Bermuda, it won't be a big deal because so much more will be coming up in the next month or so.

Once the weeds are dead and when your Bermuda looks about 60% green, fertilize the crap out of it. You want it to get real thick to be able to choke out crabgrass once summer hits. If you have crabgrass, spot spray about once a month with MSMA. Make sure you water the MSMA in after a couple days or you will kill the Bermuda too.

Go to a CO-OP or Tractor Supply for chemicals and guidance. They will have knowledgeable salespeople who can tell you what to buy, how much to mix, and when to spray. They have a generic version of Roundup that is much cheaper. Stay away from Lowes or Home Depot, which the exception of Roundup and their generic fertilizers, their lawn care products are next to worthless. Do not buy anything from Scotts or Ortho.

Once you get a proper per-emergent program going (spraying for broadleaf weeds in winter, grassy weeds in spring, and winter weeds in fall) you will have a much easier time controlling post emerged weeds.
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Do you mean just regular roundup that you can get anywhere?? I have a decent sized yard. I'm gonna have to load up. Lol
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(03-24-2014 03:50 PM)mphstiger79 Wrote:  Do you mean just regular roundup that you can get anywhere?? I have a decent sized yard. I'm gonna have to load up. Lol

I hired a service last year, the St Augustine and Texas drought have kicked my @$$ is knowing how to treat the lawn after 30 years of rain and Bermuda in Memphis. Add to that water restrictions because of the drought, I gave up.

Each time they come they dispense over 16 gallons of various herbicides, fertilizers, soil enrichments, etc. That's a lot of stuff to know what to buy at Home Depot or a garden center. Hoping for some good results.
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(03-27-2014 02:28 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  
(03-24-2014 03:50 PM)mphstiger79 Wrote:  Do you mean just regular roundup that you can get anywhere?? I have a decent sized yard. I'm gonna have to load up. Lol

Any mix with 41% Glyphosate herbicide concentrate will do. That is all Roundup is. It was patented under the Roundup name until 2000. Generally you will save hundreds of $$$ if you just buy pure Glyphosate that is at least a 41% concentrate at either a Tractor Supply Store or online and don't pay for the RoundUp brand name. Mix 41% Glyphosate in a ratio of 3oz Glyphosate/1 gallon of water and apply it with a pump sprayer. Knocks em' dead every time. Bamboo is the only grass it won't kill, but no herbicide will kill bamboo lol.

That is good info to know for saving $$. Thanks. I just used the last of my Roundup spraying the Spring weeds.
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I hung up my yard spraying hat a couple years ago. It's not that it is hard work, and it does save money. I just view the money spent for a professional company to spray as lawn insurance. If I get the math wrong on the mixing then I'm out $10,000 in sod. That never happened to me, but I've seen it happen to others. If my yard company messes up, it's their problem. $400 a year is not bad when you consider the size of cash needed to replace an entire yard.
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