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What a difference a year makes! In February of 2013, the ACC's obituary was being written by a host of B12 "insiders". Now the conference appears solid and apparently we are the talk of the nation--this time in a good way.

I well remember the excitement of Syracuse/Georgetown basketball games back in the '80s and '90s when I lived in Washington. Looks like Syracuse has brought that same excitement to the ACC. Good show by the Orange and nice job by Swofford.
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"That's John Swofford, the low-key, low-visibility commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference. He earned the wry media nickname "Ninja Swofford" last year for his ability to stealthily make big things happen, covertly solidifying the ACC's membership and its place in the national hierarchy. Now he is reaping the benefits.

The ACC is home to the 2013 football national champion, Florida State, which dethroned the mighty SEC. It is home to the 2013 Heisman Trophy winner, Seminoles quarterback Jameis Winston, who will be slinging it again for FSU in the fall of '14. It is home to America's most famous college baseball player, who also happens to be Winston, plus the No. 1 baseball team in the land, according to Baseball America, the Virginia Cavaliers.

Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston is the most famous player in college baseball. And then there is the sport that built the ACC's identity and remains in its DNA: basketball. It is not the best league in America this season, but it has deftly commandeered the spotlight and become the must-watch conference in February."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/a--ninja--i...ncaab.html
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In February you will witness Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, NC State, Florida State, Virginia and Notre Dame battling...it appears FSU/Clemson is back and Miami is on the way back with a solid middle of Virginia Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, Georgia Tech and UNC in Football to go with great Women's Hoops and Baseball.

Well done by the ACC...04-cheers
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The Next 2 - 4 years I can see the ACC becoming and staying top 3 in Football and staying #1 Basketball conference. Recruiting will challenge the SEC, B1G for the consistent 4 - 5 star Recruits in respective ranked schools in the ACC for Years to come.
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Unusually ascendant? Look ... it is nice to see an ACC team win the football title. Basketball and olympic sports have always been elite.

But basketball has a precipitous cliff after the top 4-5 teams. There is a huge glut of below average teams who probably wouldn't even win 1-bid conferences. Football is much the same but the drop off is after just 2 teams.

Recruiting, administrative, and budgetary disadvantages with other conferences aren't just remaining ... in some cases they are growing.
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Duke and Cuse need to play twice in hoops every season as long as K/Boeheim are there.
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(02-26-2014 09:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Duke and Cuse need to play twice in hoops every season as long as K/Boeheim are there.

So like one or two more years?
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(02-26-2014 09:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Duke and Cuse need to play twice in hoops every season as long as K/Boeheim are there.

There's basically no way to do that with 18 ACC games. Theoretically you could do it by adding permanent rivals but that would greatly diminish - or maybe eliminate altogether - the frequency in which the non basketball schools would face the marquee schools twice in the same season. And simply put, any proposal that does that should be rejected. It's no different than having schools demand southern/Florida games every year.

In the current scheduling arrangement, none of Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami, ND or VT (will) have a permanent rival with a marquee program (whom I consider to be Cuse, UL, Pitt, UNC and Duke). Those 6 schools will have just 5 two-game series against a marquee team every 6-year cycle. By simply going to 19 games and 3 rotating rivals, it'd increase the frequency to 5 two-game series every 4-year cycle. And going to 20 games and 4 rotating rivals increases it to 5 two-game series every 3-year cycle.

I think that'd be a huge improvement, and wouldn't seem like it'd cause much harm to schools' OOC scheduling ability or home-game finances.

As for the benefit to the marquee schools, if the current permanent rivals stay the same, all of these great matchups will only occur as a two-game series once every 6 years:

Duke/UL
Duke/Pitt
Duke/Cuse
UL/UNC
UL/Cuse
UNC/Pitt
UNC/Cuse

* Currently Pitt will play both UL and Cuse on a yearly basis, the only school of the 5 to be guaranteed to face two other top programs each season.

By going to 20 games and 4 rotating rivals, Duke, UNC, Cuse and UL would double the amount of guaranteed two-game series each season to 2. Pitt would increase to 3. That literally doubles the frequency those games would be occurring.

If the schedule is expanded to 22 games and 6 rotating rivals, you could cycle through every non-permanent rival in a 2-year cycle. But I'm not sure when an expanding conference schedule starts cutting into schools' revenue generated during OOC games.

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In short, I'm all for the most interesting games happening more often. And honestly, they should happen much more frequently than they're currently slated to be played. But the frequency needs to be felt for every school in the conference and not just the top schools (like what we're hoping happens in football and scrapping divisions).

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Speaking of which, can we scrap baseball divisions, too? There are 10 ACC series per season and there are 13 possible ACC opponents. Maybe give each school 4 permanent rivals and then cycle through the other 9 on a 3-year cycle (twice every 3 years). And you could even make some of the southernmost schools one of the northernmost schools' rival if that would be required (like FSU/ND, BC/Miami and GT/Pitt or something like that).
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Pitt does not count as marquee. When they make it to the Final Four then we can think about it.

I do agree, however, they get the scheduling shaft with primary partners of Louisville and Syracuse. But I doubt they have a problem with that.
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Pitt doesn't get the shaft. They have the best schedule in the conference. Pitt is also the clear 5th out of those teams so if you don't want to include them, don't. But they're better than ND, UVA, NC State, GT and Wake (or any other traditionally good basketball school in the conference). ND, imo, being 6th, and so on.

And your comment LITERALLY had nothing to do with the entirety of my post. Good job.
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(02-27-2014 06:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Pitt doesn't get the shaft. They have the best schedule in the conference. Pitt is also the clear 5th out of those teams so if you don't want to include them, don't. But they're better than ND, UVA, NC State, GT and Wake (or any other traditionally good basketball school in the conference). ND, imo, being 6th, and so on.

And your comment LITERALLY had nothing to do with the entirety of my post. Good job.

Sure it did. You said Pitt as marquee. I said they're not. They are no where near the level of the other four. ND, UVA, NC State, GT have been to a Final Four more recent than Pitt.

I also said Pitt gets the shaft from an unbalanced schedule perspective. It could mean the difference between a 4 seed and an 8 seed.
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While I did enjoy the Coach Boehiem vs. Coach K games.
Let's not play like the Coach Pitino vs. Coach K games won't be any less rock'em-sock'em!!05-mafia


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(02-27-2014 06:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Pitt doesn't get the shaft. They have the best schedule in the conference. Pitt is also the clear 5th out of those teams so if you don't want to include them, don't. But they're better than ND, UVA, NC State, GT and Wake (or any other traditionally good basketball school in the conference). ND, imo, being 6th, and so on.

And your comment LITERALLY had nothing to do with the entirety of my post. Good job.

They're currently better, not historically better.
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Well the last 10-15 years is a pretty significant time period. Historically Pitt and Cuse are much better football programs than UL, but nobody thinks they're better programs any longer.
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(02-27-2014 10:51 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well the last 10-15 years is a pretty significant time period. Historically Pitt and Cuse are much better football programs than UL, but nobody thinks they're better programs any longer.

That can change quickly...
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(02-27-2014 10:51 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well the last 10-15 years is a pretty significant time period. Historically Pitt and Cuse are much better football programs than UL, but nobody thinks they're better programs any longer.

Pitt has been better than Wake for the last five years and a few random years thrown in before that. Remember in the last decade Wake has produced two #1 ranked teams to Pitt's one.
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(02-27-2014 09:07 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(02-27-2014 06:49 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Pitt doesn't get the shaft. They have the best schedule in the conference. Pitt is also the clear 5th out of those teams so if you don't want to include them, don't. But they're better than ND, UVA, NC State, GT and Wake (or any other traditionally good basketball school in the conference). ND, imo, being 6th, and so on.

And your comment LITERALLY had nothing to do with the entirety of my post.

Sure it did. You said Pitt as marquee. I said they're not. They are no where near the level of the other four. ND, UVA, NC State, GT have been to a Final Four more recent than Pitt.

I also said Pitt gets the shaft from an unbalanced schedule perspective. It could mean the difference between a 4 seed and an 8 seed.

Pitt's been a much better program the last 10-15 years than any of those schools you mentioned. There's no denying that, either. You can throw Wake into the conversation, too, and nothing would change. Like I said, if you don't want to include Pitt then don't. But Pitt vs Cuse and Pitt vs UL were good Big East games and are/will be good ACC games. Pitt vs Duke and Pitt vs UNC will become good ACC games, too. So it's probably time to get used to that.

And no, you didn't actually comment on what my post was about. It was about changing the schedule so that everybody plays more (more quality games for the non-elite schools, and more good vs good matchups for the leaders of the conference). The schedule, I think, is something that needs to be addressed.

Lastly, that one additional game Pitt currently plays could lead to a 4-seed swing? I doubt that very much.

(02-27-2014 11:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(02-27-2014 10:51 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well the last 10-15 years is a pretty significant time period. Historically Pitt and Cuse are much better football programs than UL, but nobody thinks they're better programs any longer.

That can change quickly...

Not sure which part you're talking about, but I wouldn't expect Pitt or Cuse to magically overtake UL football in the near-term (better on-campus facilities, revenue, fan support and head coach). Nor would I expect NC State, Wake, UVA or GT to overtake Pitt basketball. Although to be fair, if NC State and UVA continue their upward trajectory, they may challenge Pitt (and ND - aside from their down year this year) for that 5th/6th best spot in the ACC. Pitt doesn't have as many advantages over those schools in basketball that UL does in football, so there's that.

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(02-27-2014 10:51 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well the last 10-15 years is a pretty significant time period. Historically Pitt and Cuse are much better football programs than UL, but nobody thinks they're better programs any longer.

Pitt has been better than Wake for the last five years and a few random years thrown in before that. Remember in the last decade Wake has produced two #1 ranked teams to Pitt's one.

Pitt will have made 12 of the last 13 NCAATs, including at least 5 sweet sixteens, an elite eight, 2 conference tournament titles and 5 regular season titles.

Wake will have made 7 of the last 14 NCAATs (only 2 of the last 9), with no elite eights, just one sweet sixteen and just one conference regular season title.

Pitt's been the better program for the last decade. They had a string of 11-straight years being, at one point, ranked inside the top 10 that may come to an end this year. Yes, Wake's had a handful of solid years (and a couple really good) throughout the period I'm discussing, but every year Pitt had a solid year.

I mean, if we're going to be honest, in the last 10 seasons (2005-2014, yep, arbitrary cutoff), FSU has been better than GT, UVA and Wake, and about as good as NC State. I think one could make a strong argument that Clemson's been about as good as GT, UVA and Wake, too.
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Like I said they've been a better program since 2009 with a handful of years tossed in before that.
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(02-28-2014 03:19 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Pitt's been a much better program the last 10-15 years than any of those schools you mentioned. There's no denying that, either. You can throw Wake into the conversation, too, and nothing would change. Like I said, if you don't want to include Pitt then don't. But Pitt vs Cuse and Pitt vs UL were good Big East games and are/will be good ACC games. Pitt vs Duke and Pitt vs UNC will become good ACC games, too. So it's probably time to get used to that.

And no, you didn't actually comment on what my post was about. It was about changing the schedule so that everybody plays more (more quality games for the non-elite schools, and more good vs good matchups for the leaders of the conference). The schedule, I think, is something that needs to be addressed.

Lastly, that one additional game Pitt currently plays could lead to a 4-seed swing? I doubt that very much.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. No one said the games wouldn't be good. All I'm saying is Pitt doesn't belong in the conversation with the other 4 teams yet.

As for the schedule changes, with 15 teams there's not a lot you can do without creating some issues somewhere else so just leave it be. The college basketball world runs in cycles and the non-elite programs can go through periods of inconsistency. Wake Forest is a perfect example. They were #1 in the country as recent as 5 years ago. Now look at them. UVA was 16-15 three years ago and now they are on the verge of the top 10. Remember when BC was good every year? Just leave it be.

Finally, i'm not saying playing one additional game is the difference between 4 and 8 seed. I am saying if you are scheduled to face tougher teams that you could conceivably lose to then your seeding can drop. I was referring to Pitt getting Louisville and Syracuse twice every year and now you're talking about throwing in another game which could also be a tough one. It could mean the difference between being 26-7 seeded 4th or 23-10 seeded 8th.
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