I think the BE is getting a little payback for how the Huggins situation was handled. You have to remember when they signed on to this deal they thought they were getting Bob Huggins, and a consistant winning program. Then b!tch Zimpher screwed that up. They aren't getting the product they purchased, and probably aren't very happy about it.

First they screw up the Louisville/UC games by cutting it to 1, now they are banging us on the TV schedule. Think they are trying to send a message? I do.

Thanks Nancy!

This is a good example of the problems that come along with a 16-team conference.

That BCS paycheck is great for the Bearcats, but it's hard to recruit when Rice and Miami of Ohio are on ESPN more than you are. It ain't fair, but don't think opposing coaches won't use that against you when you're both vying for the same high school recruit.

Heck, Vandy tells our recruits that they have a shot at the national title.

Wow, Huggins and Kansas State will be on TV in Big 12 play 4 times (2 on ESPN and 2 on ABC)

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I just love the headline on the Big F**** East Website today.

UC's 0 appearances on the Big East TV package gives new meaning to the term "unprecedented."

Do you think Mike T will be greeted like Z if he shows his face in Cincy?

That is a killer for UC. They didn't make a bowl, didn't make NCAA tournament and now zero basketball games on national TV. Why did BE add UC. Don't tell me its was for football. BE is splitting money 16 ways in hoops. To have UC not on TV makes little sense. BE needs to take good care of its football members. When ACC comes looking for teams 13 and 14......I'm sure UC and USF will saying "where to we sign". BE wonders why Va Tech and Miami left. Treating football members like crap is the first step.

3601 Wrote:This is a good example of the problems that come along with a 16-team conference.

That BCS paycheck is great for the Bearcats, but it's hard to recruit when Rice and Miami of Ohio are on ESPN more than you are. It ain't fair, but don't think opposing coaches won't use that against you when you're both vying for the same high school recruit.

Baloney. This has nothing to do with the number of teams in the conference. ESPN simply did not choose to air any UC games nationally this year. I am sure most of their games will be on ESPN regional. While UC are optimistic about this season, the folks at ESPN and CBS obviously are not. Further, unlike a school like ND that is a national draw no matter what their record, UC doesn't fall into that catagory. Unless they are winning, UC is not going to be on national tv. Same goes for almost every team in the conference, with a couple of exceptions. Its the same reason schools like Northwestern and Penn State only appear on national tv a couple times a year.

MU88 Wrote:

3601 Wrote:This is a good example of the problems that come along with a 16-team conference.

That BCS paycheck is great for the Bearcats, but it's hard to recruit when Rice and Miami of Ohio are on ESPN more than you are. It ain't fair, but don't think opposing coaches won't use that against you when you're both vying for the same high school recruit.

Baloney. This has nothing to do with the number of teams in the conference. ESPN simply did not choose to air any UC games nationally this year. I am sure most of their games will be on ESPN regional. While UC are optimistic about this season, the folks at ESPN and CBS obviously are not. Further, unlike a school like ND that is a national draw no matter what their record, UC doesn't fall into that catagory. Unless they are winning, UC is not going to be on national tv. Same goes for almost every team in the conference, with a couple of exceptions. Its the same reason schools like Northwestern and Penn State only appear on national tv a couple times a year.

You do realize that UC is one of the most successful programs of all-time right? They are not Northwestern or Penn State. I assure you that if they were still in CUSA they would have 7-8 games on CSTV and or ESPN PERIOD. This is about a glut of conference teams and politics to be sure.

When you negotiate for a conference you negotiate for the whole conference. When you promote a conference you promote the whole conference and not just the FAT CATS at the top. Why didn't Cinn and USF get game time with Nova, Cuse, St. Johns, and /or Gtown on TV when they were at their respective home courts. The real BE fans for those schools would have watch to promote their own teams. Take notice 3 are MT BB pets and Cuse was an original member whose vote is needed against the FB split. Don't get me wrong two of the teams are good, one is ok, and one stinks but they are in media areas. Of course when ND tells MT to squat and pee :kiss: his only question is how many gallons do you want. :kneelsucka: SPLIT NOW :bustacap:

MU88 Wrote:Unless they are winning, UC is not going to be on national tv. Same goes for almost every team in the conference, with a couple of exceptions.

I guess DePaul is one of those exceptions. They finished in a tie for next to last place in the Big East last year. Toss in St. John's and Providence - they were tied with DePaul.

The Big East has 16 basketball teams. There's no chance they would be able to get everyone on tv. When push comes to shove, the Big East has demonstrated in the past that older members take priority.

Everybody needs to look at what they expect from playing in a 16 team league. Like any conference that has absorbed new members, there's going to be a "shake out" period where a basic hierarchy is established. Right now there are alot of Big East teams that are used to cracking the top 25, making the NCAAs, etc. It's fun to throw out the "super conference" term, but the reality is there aren't enough wins to go around to sustain the kind of performance some schools are expecting. Realistically, you're looking at around 7 teams going to the NCAAs, with a number of NIT bound teams, and around 4-6 bottom feeders.

Why do I bring this up? Because you'll see the same thing with the basketball television schedule. There are going to be some disappointed schools in the next few years as the hierarchy is established.

RapmasterAC Wrote:The Big East has 16 basketball teams. There's no chance they would be able to get everyone on tv. When push comes to shove, the Big East has demonstrated in the past that older members take priority.

Everybody needs to look at what they expect from playing in a 16 team league. Like any conference that has absorbed new members, there's going to be a "shake out" period where a basic hierarchy is established. Right now there are alot of Big East teams that are used to cracking the top 25, making the NCAAs, etc. It's fun to throw out the "super conference" term, but the reality is there aren't enough wins to go around to sustain the kind of performance some schools are expecting. Realistically, you're looking at around 7 teams going to the NCAAs, with a number of NIT bound teams, and around 4-6 bottom feeders.

Why do I bring this up? Because you'll see the same thing with the basketball television schedule. There are going to be some disappointed schools in the next few years as the hierarchy is established.

My point exactly about a 16-team league being too damn big.

Calipari made these same statements last year and everyone was making him out to be the bad guy. He was right. With that many teams you're going to have teams that are used to being at the top of the conference and being on TV a lot that are going to be disappointed because everyone can't win.

When you've got schools like UL, UC, Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown, and Villanova all in the same conference somebody who is used to making the NCAA every year is going to get left out. This year it was UC and UL. Somebody is going to get screwed out of TV appearances. Hello, Bearcats.

There are benefits of being in the conference (BCS paycheck), but there are also problems like this.

In a related note, it's just been announced that Memphis-Houston has been picke up by CBS.

UC just didn't get screwed. South Florida just didn't get screwed. Getting screwed would have been to get 1 or 2 TV dates. In my mind Rutgers got screwed as well. But to get 0 TV dates goes beyond the pale. UC and South Florida basketball were BURIED by the Big East office.

It sends a chilling message to Cincinnati (and South Florida) fans just what the Big East thinks of their schools. Well, it doesn't think about UC or South Florida at all. UC or South Florida doesn't even exit according to the Big East office .

And don't give me this crap about the Big East being too large. I thought we had an UNPRECENDENTED TV package for basketball. And don't give me this crap about it's ESPN.

I bet the Big East office is having a good laugh right now at UC's and South Florida's expense.

WacoBearcat Wrote:1) UC just didn't get screwed. South Florida just didn't get screwed. Getting screwed would have been to get 1 or 2 TV dates. In my mind Rutgers got screwed as well. But to get 0 TV dates goes beyond the pale. UC and South Florida basketball were BURIED by the Big East office.

2) It sends a chilling message to Cincinnati (and South Florida) fans just what the Big East thinks of their schools. Well, it doesn't think about UC or South Florida at all. UC or South Florida doesn't even exit according to the Big East office .

3) And don't give me this crap about the Big East being too large. I thought we had an UNPRECENDENTED TV package for basketball. And don't give me this crap about it's ESPN.

4) I bet the Big East office is having a good laugh right now at UC's and South Florida's expense.

1 & 2) While I think UC got screwed, television appearances aren't doled out in USSR style. I'm not going to be naive and say there are no politics in it, but I DO think that the #1 factor by a mile is what the networks think of your team prospects combined w/ the individual team ratings from past seasons. ESPN didn't get a fax from Providence stating "I know you want to air UC games, but take a year off to piss them off". Perhaps UC fans are expecting higher things just because the recruits were good at jucos. If those soon to be JR's don't mesh or turn out to not be up to BE snuff, UC could easily be 4-12 or something of the sort. This year will be the bottom of the hole for UC's team I believe, with improvement coming soon.

As for USF, yeah, they probably feel they got screwed as well. Probably won't complain as much b/c they are used to it. How many times were USF, Tulane, or USM on ESPN in CUSA? Every game involved UofL, UC, Charlotte, Marquette, or Memphis, and quite possibly two from the latter group.

The only un-market driven thing that I would be cool with the BE demanding would be all 16 teams must be on ESPN or ESPN2 at least once a year. Not tough at all to set up 1 game each year with the predicted 16th place finisher against a top team.

Perhaps that will be taken care of next year. Although to be realistic, I will expect to see at least 15 of 16 USF games on ESPNU or ESPN360. There will still be a divide where a majority of each team's games end up among the various pieces of the ESPN media puzzle.

3) As for the new K, that starts in 2007. Doesn't help this year at all. As for it "being ESPN", yes I do think ESPN is much more to blame if you will than the league is. Maybe some don't realize how much control Bristol has on setting up games and dates/times, for either big sport.

4) Come on now. Obviously the league and ESPN thinks you are going to suck this year. The league is not out to screw UC though.

bearcatfan Wrote:

MU88 Wrote:Unless they are winning, UC is not going to be on national tv. Same goes for almost every team in the conference, with a couple of exceptions.

I guess DePaul is one of those exceptions. They finished in a tie for next to last place in the Big East last year. Toss in St. John's and Providence - they were tied with DePaul.

Right and DePaul, PC and SJU return most of their teams. UC return 1 player who saw more than garbage time. For example, CHN has SJU, DePaul and PC picked for 8, 9, and 10, respectively. UC is picked for 13th. That means, DePaul, SJU and PC are project to be bubble teams and UC is projected to be staying home in March, even missing the BE tourney. Could it be that the network has an even lower opinion of UC? It is very possible. History doesn't matter. You don't see ECU or USM on ESPN too often because they stink. If UC has a good season this year, they will get all the exposure they could ask for, next year.

St Johns sucks. Providence sucks. Notre Dame sucks. Depaul sucks. Seton Hall sucks. They got TV dates.

Screw the Big East.

Well, at least my wife will be pleased about this development because I won't be watching very much basketball this year. lmfao lmfao

Let's play over/under.

2.5- The number of DePaul TV appearances (of 5 total) earned in 1 night by absolutely demolishing Syracuse by 39 at the end of the year.