(02-20-2014 03:01 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 02:29 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 02:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  How many of you are at work while reading this forum? While you aren't on the street asking for money is it any less dishonest letting someone pay you money out of their pocket for pretending to work?

What would be a honest est. on how much of a handout you are taking each week? A would think a low est. would be .5 hours a day or 2.5 a week or 130 hours a year.

Hey look, it's buzz killington and his righteous order of protecting the pride of panhandlers who literally do nothing productive and make a killing


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So what you're saying is it's OK to steal from the guy feeding your family but it's not OK to lie to strangers and take the money they give willingly. Knowing all along there a chance they are buying the guy a drink instead of food.

I'm not protecting the pride of anyone just pointing out the hypocrisy. Also pointing out you don't have to be a bum on a street corner to have you hand out taking other peoples money.

Let me guess you're one of those?

My job involves using geoprocessing tools that can take up my computer resources for hours at a time, leaving me with no other work I can do while they process.

I occasionally break out the laptop and browse online while I do that.

I'm such a damn bad person.

Look I'm not saying panhandling is right or honest and I will agree that most are lying about what they need the money for. I even understand your point on a worker taking 10 minutes to check the internet.

My point is as humans we love to judge but hate being judged and what we look at as being wrong..others can look at things we all do and point out the wrong. Of course someone working a 9-5 is doing more for the world than the drunk on the corner and that's not even debatable. But to be honest if someone can talk all of us into giving them our hard earn money to the tone of $40,000 a year he's working his butt off.

No matter what it is when it comes to being judgmental I'm probably going to take a different view than most.

(02-20-2014 06:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Look I'm not saying panhandling is right or honest and I will agree that most are lying about what they need the money for. I even understand your point on a worker taking 10 minutes to check the internet.

My point is as humans we love to judge but hate being judged and what we look at as being wrong..others can look at things we all do and point out the wrong. Of course someone working a 9-5 is doing more for the world than the drunk on the corner and that's not even debatable. But to be honest if someone can talk all of us into giving them our hard earn money to the tone of $40,000 a year he's working his butt off.

No matter what it is when it comes to being judgmental I'm probably going to take a different view than most.

I think the issue is more about the difference between panhandlers who "swindle" and people who are actually homeless, strugging for a bite to eat.

Panhandlers that make a career of it are certainly smart. Manipulative, but smart. But because of these people, many people will doubt the genuineness of a person who is begging for money just to feed themselves. So career panhandlers may actually bring hardship on those who are on hard times and genuinely need the help.

(02-20-2014 06:47 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 06:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Look I'm not saying panhandling is right or honest and I will agree that most are lying about what they need the money for. I even understand your point on a worker taking 10 minutes to check the internet.

My point is as humans we love to judge but hate being judged and what we look at as being wrong..others can look at things we all do and point out the wrong. Of course someone working a 9-5 is doing more for the world than the drunk on the corner and that's not even debatable. But to be honest if someone can talk all of us into giving them our hard earn money to the tone of $40,000 a year he's working his butt off.

No matter what it is when it comes to being judgmental I'm probably going to take a different view than most.

I think the issue is more about the difference between panhandlers who "swindle" and people who are actually homeless, strugging for a bite to eat.

Panhandlers that make a career of it are certainly smart. Manipulative, but smart. But because of these people, many people will doubt the genuineness of a person who is begging for money just to feed themselves. So career panhandlers may actually bring hardship on those who are on hard times and genuinely need the help.

I seriously doubt the panhandlers care who they're hurting. But you raise a good point. These folks ain't dumb ... I'd go further and say they're more moral than the Wall Street crowd ... braver, anyway.

(02-20-2014 06:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Look I'm not saying panhandling is right or honest and I will agree that most are lying about what they need the money for. I even understand your point on a worker taking 10 minutes to check the internet.

My point is as humans we love to judge but hate being judged and what we look at as being wrong..others can look at things we all do and point out the wrong. Of course someone working a 9-5 is doing more for the world than the drunk on the corner and that's not even debatable. But to be honest if someone can talk all of us into giving them our hard earn money to the tone of $40,000 a year he's working his butt off.

No matter what it is when it comes to being judgmental I'm probably going to take a different view than most.

Good posts. The old "live in glass houses" deal tends to get forgotten a lot on messageboards. And yep, I'm at work. Course, I'm salaried, so doesn't matter whether a workday takes me 5 hours or 15, I get paid the same.

My beef with panhandling is that people motivated to do good to help generally aren't helping and don't understand there are great ways to help like Family Promise where churches take in homeless families and cover most all of their living expenses until they can save enough to afford first and last month rent deposits and have a cash reserve of several weeks pay.