Lawsuit.

I think UConn dug itself a very deep hole with the poor attendance at the Fiesta Bowl. UConn is also in a difficult position for recruiting given the relatively few D1 recruits in the Northeast. Then you have to consider that BC, Cuse, Pitt, Rutgers and of course Penn State all have clear advantages over UConn for what few recruits are available.

UConn only took its football program up to the top level because they expected it would be necessary to protect basketball. The thinking was that if the Big East split, they wanted to stay with the football schools, which were perceived as also having the better basketball programs. Oh the irony...

Both schools would have been a good choice for the ACC trouble is they had one spot. I don't think they could have went wrong with either choice.

(02-20-2014 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  Lawsuit.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention that.


1. Louisville's media footprint adds the State of Kentucky, southside Indiana, and sometimes Cincy to the ACC. UConn adds nothing new from that standpoint as BC and Syracuse already overlapped that area. Remember, UConn can only take up 3 hours a week for football during the fall and there are easily 18 or more hours devoted to football in a week.

2. While the instigators of the litigation against the ACC have moved on to DC, some ACC institutions remember that litigation all too well.

3. Louisville committed to the highest level of football 15-20 years before UConn.

4. Louisville's facilities are vastly superior to UConn's.

5. Louisville is a "college" town meaning they support college sports and have no professional franchise competition.

6. FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, and NC State were not going to vote to add a basketball school. BC was not going to vote to add UConn. It only takes 4 votes to blackball someone.

7. Adding Louisville exposed a B12 error.

8. Adding Louisville gave the ACC another ACC/SEC pair.

9. Adding Louisville put more pressure on the B10 footprint in the middle area of their footprint.

10. A better overall academic profile was all that UConn had going for it and if that was what mattered, Tulane or Stoneybrook would have been invited.

UConn offered very little to the ACC that the ACC didn't already have.

Louisville is the largest city in Kentucky. Kentucky used to be a part of Virginia and borders Virginia as well as Indiana . Home of Notre Dame. So it keeps the conference contiguous.

The premise of the question is wrong.

All of the reasons mentioned so far were most certainly factors. However, I believe it came down to this:

Louisville was very aggressive about pursuing the ACC. I've read several articles about how Jurich, despite having limited ACC contacts, went into overdrive to make contact inside and outside of the ACC. I have not heard or read anything about Uconn. I hope it is not the case but it almost seems like Uconn felt like they were the ACCs first and possibly only choice. Or maybe Uconn has/thought they had a B1G invite coming. In any case it is clear who wanted in the ACC more.

(02-19-2014 08:41 PM)CoogNellie Wrote:  They both have great basketball programs, both have decent football programs although Louisville has had more success as of late...

UConn fans hate hearing this, but IMO it was because UConn was so vocal about filing lawsuits and complaining when the ACC scooped up Miami in 2003.

Memories in college athletics are long and that definitely rubbed the ACC the wrong way, enough to tip a close call to the Cards.

(02-20-2014 02:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  All of the reasons mentioned so far were most certainly factors. However, I believe it came down to this:

Louisville was very aggressive about pursuing the ACC. I've read several articles about how Jurich, despite having limited ACC contacts, went into overdrive to make contact inside and outside of the ACC.

Louisville had a football game versus North Carolina in early 2012. It was a replacement game for a series that was cancelled with Georgia. Jurich made sure that more or less the ENTIRE North Carolina contingent came to that game. From the AD to the President. When they came in, they were given the red carpet treatment and the hard sell on Louisville. This was the same weekend Notre Dame was invited to the ACC, and Jurich had members of the ACC expansion committee in Louisville. This was 3 months before UMD left the ACC and the ACC had to look for a replacement. From that time, he was working on making contacts with ACC guys. And during that trip, many of the perceived deficiencies of UofL in regards to campus life and academics were relieved, and they were able to impress the contingent with the facilities and amenities of the school they may not have known about.

The irony is the football series with Georgia that was cancelled pissed off a lot of fans (it turns out they were not that good during those two years anyway) and the replacement with North Carolina may have been the best thing to ever happen to the school.

(02-20-2014 01:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Louisville is the largest city in Kentucky. Kentucky used to be a part of Virginia and borders Virginia as well as Indiana . Home of Notre Dame. So it keeps the conference contiguous.

You had better look at your map again. When Maryland joins the B1G the ACC will no longer be contiguous. In order for the ACC to become contiguous again we would have to invite Cincinnati or West Virginia (or keep Maryland).

6. FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, and NC State were not going to vote to add a basketball school. BC was not going to vote to add UConn. It only takes 4 votes to blackball someone.





This is not the first time you have tried to lump NC State in with the ACC's football schools.......what a joke. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but NC State is no football school.

(02-20-2014 02:59 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 02:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  All of the reasons mentioned so far were most certainly factors. However, I believe it came down to this:

Louisville was very aggressive about pursuing the ACC. I've read several articles about how Jurich, despite having limited ACC contacts, went into overdrive to make contact inside and outside of the ACC.

Louisville had a football game versus North Carolina in early 2012. It was a replacement game for a series that was cancelled with Georgia. Jurich made sure that more or less the ENTIRE North Carolina contingent came to that game. From the AD to the President. When they came in, they were given the red carpet treatment and the hard sell on Louisville. This was the same weekend Notre Dame was invited to the ACC, and Jurich had members of the ACC expansion committee in Louisville. This was 3 months before UMD left the ACC and the ACC had to look for a replacement. From that time, he was working on making contacts with ACC guys. And during that trip, many of the perceived deficiencies of UofL in regards to campus life and academics were relieved, and they were able to impress the contingent with the facilities and amenities of the school they may not have known about.

The irony is the football series with Georgia that was cancelled pissed off a lot of fans (it turns out they were not that good during those two years anyway) [b]and the replacement with North Carolina may have been the best thing to ever happen to the school.

Maybe not in 2011, but Georgia went 12-2 in 2012 and finished the season ranked in the Top 5.

(02-20-2014 02:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  All of the reasons mentioned so far were most certainly factors. However, I believe it came down to this:

Louisville was very aggressive about pursuing the ACC. I've read several articles about how Jurich, despite having limited ACC contacts, went into overdrive to make contact inside and outside of the ACC. I have not heard or read anything about Uconn. I hope it is not the case but it almost seems like Uconn felt like they were the ACCs first and possibly only choice. Or maybe Uconn has/thought they had a B1G invite coming. In any case it is clear who wanted in the ACC more.

You are right about UofL's full court press. Maybe we wanted it more. Maybe UConn thought they had it in the bad and didn't push for admission. Maybe.

But the implication of the comment is that if UConn had done the same thing then the ACC would have chosen them over Louisville. And that just isn't true. The ACC knew everything it needed to know, and it made an informed decision.

(02-20-2014 03:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  In order for the ACC to become contiguous again we would have to invite Cincinnati or West Virginia (or keep Maryland).

Damn 21 mile gap...

(02-20-2014 03:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

6. FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, and NC State were not going to vote to add a basketball school. BC was not going to vote to add UConn. It only takes 4 votes to blackball someone.





This is not the first time you have tried to lump NC State in with the ACC's football schools.......what a joke. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but NC State is no football school.

Still cheating in Chapel Hill I see. http://robjanderson.blogspot.com/

Must be nice to tell a recruit he doesn't need to go to class to get a degree and give him bling. Keep up the good work over there.

This is not the first time you have tried to lump UNC-Ch in with the ACC's academic schools.......what joke. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but UNC-Ch is no academic school.

(02-20-2014 04:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 03:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 01:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

6. FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, and NC State were not going to vote to add a basketball school. BC was not going to vote to add UConn. It only takes 4 votes to blackball someone.





This is not the first time you have tried to lump NC State in with the ACC's football schools.......what a joke. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but NC State is no football school.

Still cheating in Chapel Hill I see. http://robjanderson.blogspot.com/

Must be nice to tell a recruit he doesn't need to go to class to get a degree and give him bling. Keep up the good work over there.

This is not the first time you have tried to lump UNC-Ch in with the ACC's academic schools.......what joke. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but UNC-Ch is no academic school.

Save that kind of stuff for the PM's guys.

(02-20-2014 03:38 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 03:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  In order for the ACC to become contiguous again we would have to invite Cincinnati or West Virginia (or keep Maryland).

Damn 21 mile gap...

The Gaza Strip of Conference expansion.

(02-20-2014 03:37 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 02:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  All of the reasons mentioned so far were most certainly factors. However, I believe it came down to this:

Louisville was very aggressive about pursuing the ACC. I've read several articles about how Jurich, despite having limited ACC contacts, went into overdrive to make contact inside and outside of the ACC. I have not heard or read anything about Uconn. I hope it is not the case but it almost seems like Uconn felt like they were the ACCs first and possibly only choice. Or maybe Uconn has/thought they had a B1G invite coming. In any case it is clear who wanted in the ACC more.

You are right about UofL's full court press. Maybe we wanted it more. Maybe UConn thought they had it in the bad and didn't push for admission. Maybe.

But the implication of the comment is that if UConn had done the same thing then the ACC would have chosen them over Louisville. And that just isn't true. The ACC knew everything it needed to know, and it made an informed decision.

That is not what I said. That is not what I meant. My intent was that Uconn seemed to be out maneuvered and, if all other things had been equal, Louisville's "full court press" and Uconn's apparent lack of an press tipped the scales heavily in Louisville's favor. If Uconn's press has be comparable then some of the factors mentioned in other posts would have moved up the priority list. When one applicant enthusiastically says they want in and the other acts indifferent (just an example, I don't know what Uconn said or did), that carries a lot of weight. You don't have to spend a lot of time quantifying each sport and comparing them. The edge clearly goes to the enthusiastic applicant.

Wow, love how you all are just trowing dirt on UConn's grave. It's cool though. We have always been an underdog and probably always will be. We not going anywhere though.

(02-20-2014 04:33 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 03:37 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2014 02:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  All of the reasons mentioned so far were most certainly factors. However, I believe it came down to this:

Louisville was very aggressive about pursuing the ACC. I've read several articles about how Jurich, despite having limited ACC contacts, went into overdrive to make contact inside and outside of the ACC. I have not heard or read anything about Uconn. I hope it is not the case but it almost seems like Uconn felt like they were the ACCs first and possibly only choice. Or maybe Uconn has/thought they had a B1G invite coming. In any case it is clear who wanted in the ACC more.

You are right about UofL's full court press. Maybe we wanted it more. Maybe UConn thought they had it in the bad and didn't push for admission. Maybe.

But the implication of the comment is that if UConn had done the same thing then the ACC would have chosen them over Louisville. And that just isn't true. The ACC knew everything it needed to know, and it made an informed decision.

That is not what I said. That is not what I meant. My intent was that Uconn seemed to be out maneuvered and, if all other things had been equal, Louisville's "full court press" and Uconn's apparent lack of an press tipped the scales heavily in Louisville's favor. If Uconn's press has be comparable then some of the factors mentioned in other posts would have moved up the priority list. When one applicant enthusiastically says they want in and the other acts indifferent (just an example, I don't know what Uconn said or did), that carries a lot of weight. You don't have to spend a lot of time quantifying each sport and comparing them. The edge clearly goes to the enthusiastic applicant.

UConn actually believed all the ACC pr about like-minded academic institutions. On paper UL isn't in the same universe as the rest of the ACC, nobody cares about it's manufactured APR scores.