Question ... When all is said and done what is the +/- amount that top G5 programs (ECU, Boise St, UCF, etc) will earn? As far as being in the AAC and their somewhat unique situation wont each school be gtting at least 6 mill or so from football ... basketball ... attendance etc etc? ... trying to see where they really are ...

(02-19-2014 08:51 AM)PIRATE TERP Wrote:  Question ... When all is said and done what is the +/- amount that top G5 programs (ECU, Boise St, UCF, etc) will earn? As far as being in the AAC and their somewhat unique situation wont each school be gtting at least 6 mill or so from football ... basketball ... attendance etc etc? ... trying to see where they really are ...

I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN. This compares to $27 million (the ACC number) or more per school for P5 members. Attendance and other sources are very individual to the school.

So like the opinion of Big12 posters. No invites go out unless They can offer a big increase in payout from ESPN. Already at 12 with Navy in 2015.

(02-19-2014 09:46 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 08:51 AM)PIRATE TERP Wrote:  Question ... When all is said and done what is the +/- amount that top G5 programs (ECU, Boise St, UCF, etc) will earn? As far as being in the AAC and their somewhat unique situation wont each school be gtting at least 6 mill or so from football ... basketball ... attendance etc etc? ... trying to see where they really are ...

I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN. This compares to $27 million (the ACC number) or more per school for P5 members. Attendance and other sources are very individual to the school.

Yeah, total conference revenue for the AAC will average about $6M per school. Other revenue sources will be up to each school and each school's fanbase, but the average Athletic Dept. revenue of those top schools is around $40M, a number that won't change much in the new CFP or new TV deal (for those incoming to the AAC).

The big increases come for the P5 who will see a jump in revenue from the CFP as compared to the BCS: from about $2M per school from the BCS to about $8M-$10M per school from the CFP). So basically the P5 will each get a boost in revenue that at least matches the total conference revenue of the AAC - not including any bumps in revenue from enhanced media deals.

(02-19-2014 10:48 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN.

In the past the Big East teams would usually earn about $5-$7 million per year more than the TV contract. Now the NCAA TV revenue will likely be less, but the CFP money should be more. Thus I would imagine the AAC numbers to be around $7 - $8 million per year from all conference sources. Not counting any exit fees or entry fees distribution.

(02-19-2014 09:46 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 08:51 AM)PIRATE TERP Wrote:  Question ... When all is said and done what is the +/- amount that top G5 programs (ECU, Boise St, UCF, etc) will earn? As far as being in the AAC and their somewhat unique situation wont each school be gtting at least 6 mill or so from football ... basketball ... attendance etc etc? ... trying to see where they really are ...

I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN. This compares to $27 million (the ACC number) or more per school for P5 members. Attendance and other sources are very individual to the school.

I would say 2 million is pretty close to what the AAC can expect from the CFP if they as projected place a team in an access bowl every year.

The AAC currently has zero shares in the NCAA basketball fund so even if they have a big post season they are only looking at about 300,000 per school.

The TV money, ESPN and CBS combined is right around 1.7 million per school.

(02-19-2014 11:13 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 10:48 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN.

In the past the Big East teams would usually earn about $5-$7 million per year more than the TV contract. Now the NCAA TV revenue will likely be less, but the CFP money should be more. Thus I would imagine the AAC numbers to be around $7 - $8 million per year from all conference sources. Not counting any exit fees or entry fees distribution.

The CFP money for the AAC will be about what the conference got as an AQ from the BCS. Every single other conference will get 3x-5x more from the CFP than the BCS doled out (except the WAC of course).

(02-19-2014 11:13 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 10:48 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN.

In the past the Big East teams would usually earn about $5-$7 million per year more than the TV contract. Now the NCAA TV revenue will likely be less, but the CFP money should be more. Thus I would imagine the AAC numbers to be around $7 - $8 million per year from all conference sources. Not counting any exit fees or entry fees distribution.

West Virginia was quoted as receiving about 8.5 million from the old Big East including 3.5 million from ESPN. The bowl distribution was probably worth close to 2 million and so was the basketball fund in the BE. That is 7.5 million accounted for. The last million could be media rights as Aresco has liked to talk about.

Figure in the same media rights for the AAC then its, 2 million from the CFP, 1.7 from TV and 1 million from media rights for 4.7 million in total.

(02-19-2014 01:52 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 09:46 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 08:51 AM)PIRATE TERP Wrote:  Question ... When all is said and done what is the +/- amount that top G5 programs (ECU, Boise St, UCF, etc) will earn? As far as being in the AAC and their somewhat unique situation wont each school be gtting at least 6 mill or so from football ... basketball ... attendance etc etc? ... trying to see where they really are ...

I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN. This compares to $27 million (the ACC number) or more per school for P5 members. Attendance and other sources are very individual to the school.

I would say 2 million is pretty close to what the AAC can expect from the CFP if they as projected place a team in an access bowl every year.

The AAC currently has zero shares in the NCAA basketball fund so even if they have a big post season they are only looking at about 300,000 per school.

The TV money, ESPN and CBS combined is right around 1.7 million per school.

Wrong. The AAC is the continuation of the Big East and retains all of the credits earned previosuly by the Big East. It was a condition of the settlement of the C7 splitting off and taking the name. The new Big East is the conference that has no NCAA tournament credits to draw from at the present.

(02-19-2014 01:57 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:52 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 09:46 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 08:51 AM)PIRATE TERP Wrote:  Question ... When all is said and done what is the +/- amount that top G5 programs (ECU, Boise St, UCF, etc) will earn? As far as being in the AAC and their somewhat unique situation wont each school be gtting at least 6 mill or so from football ... basketball ... attendance etc etc? ... trying to see where they really are ...

I believe AAC members are looking at $2 million +/- from the CFP, $1.5 million +/- from NCAA Tournament shares, and $3 million +/- from ESPN. This compares to $27 million (the ACC number) or more per school for P5 members. Attendance and other sources are very individual to the school.

I would say 2 million is pretty close to what the AAC can expect from the CFP if they as projected place a team in an access bowl every year.

The AAC currently has zero shares in the NCAA basketball fund so even if they have a big post season they are only looking at about 300,000 per school.

The TV money, ESPN and CBS combined is right around 1.7 million per school.

Wrong. The AAC is the continuation of the Big East and retains all of the credits earned previosuly by the Big East. It was a condition of the settlement of the C7 splitting off and taking the name. The new Big East is the conference that has no NCAA tournament credits to draw from at the present.

I'm almost certain that money all went back to the schools with UConn, UC, USF taking a 60% split and others outside of Tulsa, ECU, Tulane with a 40% split. Its a short term cushion that for the next 5 years will keep revenue flow equal to what it was under the BE for UConn, UC and USF.

The fund itself is new for the new conference so the NCAA hasn't paid out a dime under the name AAC.

(02-19-2014 02:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:57 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  The AAC is the continuation of the Big East and retains all of the credits earned previosuly by the Big East. It was a condition of the settlement of the C7 splitting off and taking the name.

I'm almost certain that money all went back to the schools with UConn, UC, USF taking a 60% split and others outside of Tulsa, ECU, Tulane with a 40% split.

Bob is mostly right. The credits were split among "party" lines, with the AAC retaining all future credits for the teams that were football schools (Louisville, West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt) that left in addition the remaining teams USF, Cincy, and UConn. So the AAC currently has 209 outstanding NCAA credits (71 credits for 2014, 54 for 2015, 43 for 2016, 29 for 2017, and 12 for 2018 ) not including what they earn this year and beyond. Essentially they have $55.8 million in outstanding credits payable over the next 5 years not including future credits.

Also doesn't include the other NCAA revenue (which is most ignored by everyone since it does not go to the athletic depts but to schools' scholarship funds.), but should add up to another $34 million per year

(02-19-2014 01:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  West Virginia was quoted as receiving about 8.5 million from the old Big East including 3.5 million from ESPN. The bowl distribution was probably worth close to 2 million and so was the basketball fund in the BE. That is 7.5 million accounted for.

Must have been a slow year. Most years Louisville received $9MM - $11MM from the Big East.

(02-19-2014 03:49 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  West Virginia was quoted as receiving about 8.5 million from the old Big East including 3.5 million from ESPN. The bowl distribution was probably worth close to 2 million and so was the basketball fund in the BE. That is 7.5 million accounted for.

Must have been a slow year. Most years Louisville received $9MM - $11MM from the Big East.

May be unequal basketball revenue sharing in the Big East. Its that way in a lot of FBS conferences now.

(02-19-2014 03:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 02:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:57 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  The AAC is the continuation of the Big East and retains all of the credits earned previosuly by the Big East. It was a condition of the settlement of the C7 splitting off and taking the name.

I'm almost certain that money all went back to the schools with UConn, UC, USF taking a 60% split and others outside of Tulsa, ECU, Tulane with a 40% split.

Bob is mostly right. The credits were split among "party" lines, with the AAC retaining all future credits for the teams that were football schools (Louisville, West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pitt) that left in addition the remaining teams USF, Cincy, and UConn. So the AAC currently has 209 outstanding NCAA credits (71 credits for 2014, 54 for 2015, 43 for 2016, 29 for 2017, and 12 for 2018 ) not including what they earn this year and beyond. Essentially they have $55.8 million in outstanding credits payable over the next 5 years not including future credits.

Also doesn't include the other NCAA revenue (which is most ignored by everyone since it does not go to the athletic depts but to schools' scholarship funds.), but should add up to another $34 million per year

Thanks.

If I'm correct then, the credits from the departing BE schools were split up among the surviving AAC programs as cash while the credits of UC, USF, UConn stayed in the fund along with the departing football members and credits for some time into the future for West Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers?

How far into the future and is to pay off the exit fee?

(02-19-2014 06:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Thanks.

If I'm correct then, the credits from the departing BE schools were split up among the surviving AAC programs as cash while the credits of UC, USF, UConn stayed in the fund along with the departing football members and credits for some time into the future for West Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers?

How far into the future and is to pay off the exit fee?

Careful using that term. If you mean the "Big East" teams, as in the C7, they took their own credits (and Notre Dame's). If you mean the other teams who left (Cuse, UofL, etc), from what I understand all of the remaining credits, remaining and former, exit fees, entry fees (new members), etc is in one realignment fund and has a set disbursement set up (that has changed a few times) between the holdovers and the newbies. I believe the entry fees of new members are being deducted out, of that fund.

(02-19-2014 07:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 06:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Thanks.

If I'm correct then, the credits from the departing BE schools were split up among the surviving AAC programs as cash while the credits of UC, USF, UConn stayed in the fund along with the departing football members and credits for some time into the future for West Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers?

How far into the future and is to pay off the exit fee?

Careful using that term. If you mean the "Big East" teams, as in the C7, they took their own credits (and Notre Dame's). If you mean the other teams who left (Cuse, UofL, etc), from what I understand all of the remaining credits, remaining and former, exit fees, entry fees (new members), etc is in one realignment fund and has a set disbursement set up (that has changed a few times) between the holdovers and the newbies. I believe the entry fees of new members are being deducted out, of that fund.

Well, that's not necessarily true. Most of the NCAA credits stayed with the American.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...t/2002227/

Quote:In return for the Big East name and bypassing the 27-month waiting period for withdrawal, the Catholic schools are leaving behind most of the exit fee money they were due to collect as a result of the recent departures of Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and the impending departures of Louisville and Rutgers. That pool of money, as well as most of the NCAA tournament credits, will be split up by the remaining Big East members (UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida) as well as teams joining the league in 2013 (Central Florida, Houston, Southern Methodist, Memphis, Temple) and 2014 (East Carolina, Tulane).

And from what I understand, the credits actually stay with the American, but the C7 were given a payment to offset their own personal credits. ND's credits stayed with the American as well.

(02-19-2014 11:22 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 07:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 06:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Thanks.

If I'm correct then, the credits from the departing BE schools were split up among the surviving AAC programs as cash while the credits of UC, USF, UConn stayed in the fund along with the departing football members and credits for some time into the future for West Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers?

How far into the future and is to pay off the exit fee?

Careful using that term. If you mean the "Big East" teams, as in the C7, they took their own credits (and Notre Dame's). If you mean the other teams who left (Cuse, UofL, etc), from what I understand all of the remaining credits, remaining and former, exit fees, entry fees (new members), etc is in one realignment fund and has a set disbursement set up (that has changed a few times) between the holdovers and the newbies. I believe the entry fees of new members are being deducted out, of that fund.

Well, that's not necessarily true. Most of the NCAA credits stayed with the American.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...t/2002227/

Quote:In return for the Big East name and bypassing the 27-month waiting period for withdrawal, the Catholic schools are leaving behind most of the exit fee money they were due to collect as a result of the recent departures of Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and the impending departures of Louisville and Rutgers. That pool of money, as well as most of the NCAA tournament credits, will be split up by the remaining Big East members (UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida) as well as teams joining the league in 2013 (Central Florida, Houston, Southern Methodist, Memphis, Temple) and 2014 (East Carolina, Tulane).

And from what I understand, the credits actually stay with the American, but the C7 were given a payment to offset their own personal credits. ND's credits stayed with the American as well.

Take a look at the language in the USA Today article.

It says "the money will be split up by the remaining Big East members as well as teams joining the league"

It doesn't say the money will remain in the basketball fund. It will be split up individually instead of remaining in the men's basketball pool. That is the assumption you can make by the language.

And Tulsa according to what is written is completely cut out of the distribution because they joined post split. The same would follow for any additional schools wanting to join.

(02-19-2014 11:22 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Well, that's not necessarily true. Most of the NCAA credits stayed with the American.

And from what I understand, the credits actually stay with the American, but the C7 were given a payment to offset their own personal credits. ND's credits stayed with the American as well.

The "most" as reference are listed because "most" of the credits belongs to former football schools. Not because the American retained them from the former C7 schools.