(02-18-2014 09:33 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 08:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Add VCU and Wichita State and the American has a ridiculously strong core.

If the AAC could lure two strong RPI programs for non-fb it would help them both in RPI and in travel cost. The only issue is how do you convince those teams of stability?

I don't know that you can convince them of stability, but WSU just saw it's biggest and best conference foe leave, and the A-10 now is not the league VSU joined (though it does still have a lot of its rivals). Probably not an easy sell, but seeing the respect Creighton is now getting being in a better league might help.

(02-18-2014 10:16 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 09:33 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 08:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Add VCU and Wichita State and the American has a ridiculously strong core.

If the AAC could lure two strong RPI programs for non-fb it would help them both in RPI and in travel cost. The only issue is how do you convince those teams of stability?

I don't know that you can convince them of stability, but WSU just saw it's biggest and best conference foe leave, and the A-10 now is not the league VSU joined (though it does still have a lot of its rivals). Probably not an easy sell, but seeing the respect Creighton is now getting being in a better league might help.

I think that if you could convince them of stability (at least as good at their current home or that only 3-4 at most would realistically leave in the next 10 years) there are financial arguments for it.

The AAC absolutely could use them. They cannot be a "football power" anytime soon, so the least they could do is sure up the basketball side, where there is plenty of money to be made. The AAC (and the Big East as well) can retain their power conference status in basketball if they get a little deeper, and that will help them down the line.

I think Saint Louis is destine for the Big East in the near future. Along with possibly Dayton or one other A-10 team. The AAC should take Wichita St for sure who both has a lot of recent good history, a consistent 10,000 person attendance, and some conference history with Memphis and Cincinnati. VCU has been winning 20 games per year for a decade and helps the AAC maintain some semblence of it's old geography. A third team to give an 14 would be good, however 13 is not bad either as it allows for a rather symmetrical schedule of playing each team once, and half of the teams twice, each season.

(02-18-2014 10:16 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 09:33 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 08:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Add VCU and Wichita State and the American has a ridiculously strong core.

If the AAC could lure two strong RPI programs for non-fb it would help them both in RPI and in travel cost. The only issue is how do you convince those teams of stability?

I don't know that you can convince them of stability, but WSU just saw it's biggest and best conference foe leave, and the A-10 now is not the league VSU joined (though it does still have a lot of its rivals). Probably not an easy sell, but seeing the respect Creighton is now getting being in a better league might help.

Wichita State is ranked #3 in the country right now - so by that logic, Creighton needs to move back to MVC to get MORE respect

(02-18-2014 11:52 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Wichita State is ranked #3 in the country right now - so by that logic, Creighton needs to move back to MVC to get MORE respect

They are also undefeated and not even considered a lock for a 1 seed.

(02-18-2014 11:58 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:52 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Wichita State is ranked #3 in the country right now - so by that logic, Creighton needs to move back to MVC to get MORE respect

They are also undefeated and not even considered a lock for a 1 seed.

Every current projection has them a #1 seed.

And they all have them as the "last" number one seed. Hence why I said "not a lock." And almost all seem to think if they lose even one game, they will fall.

(02-18-2014 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  And they all have them as the "last" number one seed. Hence why I said "not a lock." And almost all seem to think if they lose even one game, they will fall.

And they would be in the same situation in the AAC.



As for the other consensus #1 seeds...

Syracuse probably could lose a game and not fall.
Florida probably could lose a game and not fall.

If UA loses another, they will fall sharply - they were given a Mulligan for the ASU loss, but another loss would show how devastating the loss of Ashley is.

(02-18-2014 02:35 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  And they all have them as the "last" number one seed. Hence why I said "not a lock." And almost all seem to think if they lose even one game, they will fall.

And they would be in the same situation in the AAC.



As for the other consensus #1 seeds...

Syracuse probably could lose a game and not fall.
Florida probably could lose a game and not fall.

If UA loses another, they will fall sharply - they were given a Mulligan for the ASU loss, but another loss would show how devastating the loss of Ashley is.

Please...

If Wichita State was undefeated in the AAC, they'd be far from the last #1 seed. 2 wins vs Louisville, UCONN, UC, Memphis, and SMU - that's 10 Top 30 wins...

Nice try though.

(02-18-2014 11:52 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 10:16 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 09:33 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 08:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Add VCU and Wichita State and the American has a ridiculously strong core.

If the AAC could lure two strong RPI programs for non-fb it would help them both in RPI and in travel cost. The only issue is how do you convince those teams of stability?

I don't know that you can convince them of stability, but WSU just saw it's biggest and best conference foe leave, and the A-10 now is not the league VSU joined (though it does still have a lot of its rivals). Probably not an easy sell, but seeing the respect Creighton is now getting being in a better league might help.

Wichita State is ranked #3 in the country right now - so by that logic, Creighton needs to move back to MVC to get MORE respect

That makes no sense. The MVC is a joke this year. I am glad we are not in that league anymore.

As for stability, if they could somehow convince WSU and VCU that UCONN and Cincy were not going anywhere (which they can't), they might jump. Otherwise, the money isn't that much better and the travel is alot worse.

(02-18-2014 06:28 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:52 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 10:16 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 09:33 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 08:05 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Add VCU and Wichita State and the American has a ridiculously strong core.

If the AAC could lure two strong RPI programs for non-fb it would help them both in RPI and in travel cost. The only issue is how do you convince those teams of stability?

I don't know that you can convince them of stability, but WSU just saw it's biggest and best conference foe leave, and the A-10 now is not the league VSU joined (though it does still have a lot of its rivals). Probably not an easy sell, but seeing the respect Creighton is now getting being in a better league might help.

Wichita State is ranked #3 in the country right now - so by that logic, Creighton needs to move back to MVC to get MORE respect

That makes no sense. The MVC is a joke this year. I am glad we are not in that league anymore.

As for stability, if they could somehow convince WSU and VCU that UCONN and Cincy were not going anywhere (which they can't), they might jump. Otherwise, the money isn't that much better and the travel is alot worse.

I think it's very realistic that they could convince them that at worst Temple and Memphis would still be around. Pair that with regional foes ECU (in the east) and Tulsa/SMU in the west and it's a starting point.

So between their current place and a league with 4 good hoops brands (UConn, Memphis, Temple, Cincy) and several solid programs behind them it's a decent argument point.

Over the next 10 years if GOR's hold firm the WORST that could happen is the Big 12 taking 2. The money isn't there for more.

(02-18-2014 02:35 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  And they all have them as the "last" number one seed. Hence why I said "not a lock." And almost all seem to think if they lose even one game, they will fall.

And they would be in the same situation in the AAC.



As for the other consensus #1 seeds...

Syracuse probably could lose a game and not fall.
Florida probably could lose a game and not fall.

If UA loses another, they will fall sharply - they were given a Mulligan for the ASU loss, but another loss would show how devastating the loss of Ashley is.

I think Zona could lose one more and still get a #1 seed. They have only two losses, and every contender but one for the last #1 seed has at least five losses. The one that doesn't have five losses is SDSU, and UA beat SDSU in San Diego.