Last year, I thought fans overreacted last year to the officiating in the Louisville game.

Yesterday, though, was a first rate screw job.

I'm so sick of hearing about the turnover and how we didn't cause many. Well the train we didn't cause many is because we were being called for phantom touch fouls.

Evenly called game

FOULS
7-1 to start the 1st half
5-0 to start the 2nd half
4-0 to start overtime

Spread out over 21:45 of game time.

(02-16-2014 02:59 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:18 AM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  We just did not protect the ball well enough plus make them cough it up. 4 steals indicates not enough ball pressure.

Memphis had 4 steals and 18 turnovers.

UCONN had 11 steals and only 6 turnovers.

Winning on the road against a good team is hard but with critical stats like these flip-flopped, makes it very unlikely we get the W.

Steals? Really? Our kids couldn't breath on a UCONN player with out getting called. And turnovers? Well, what everyone else said, I don't really know what your problem is, but you clearly watched a different game from the rest of us. You have a former D1 ref here telling you we got screwed and you're still singing the same ol' song. Shut up and go away.

Yeah, it's too bad the referee's weren't handed each teams' stats sheet before the game to see how many fouls they should be calling!!

Had they seen the disparity of calls against Memphis at half-time, I'm SURE they would have tried to make calls against UCONN to make it more fair to Memphis.


They must have been given orders by higher-ups (or Vegas bookies) to try to keep Memphis down and lose by exactly what the odds-makers predicted.....a five-point loss.

(02-16-2014 10:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:59 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:18 AM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  We just did not protect the ball well enough plus make them cough it up. 4 steals indicates not enough ball pressure.

Memphis had 4 steals and 18 turnovers.

UCONN had 11 steals and only 6 turnovers.

Winning on the road against a good team is hard but with critical stats like these flip-flopped, makes it very unlikely we get the W.

Steals? Really? Our kids couldn't breath on a UCONN player with out getting called. And turnovers? Well, what everyone else said, I don't really know what your problem is, but you clearly watched a different game from the rest of us. You have a former D1 ref here telling you we got screwed and you're still singing the same ol' song. Shut up and go away.

Hatred for Pastner trumps everything.

(02-16-2014 02:01 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 10:57 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:59 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:18 AM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  We just did not protect the ball well enough plus make them cough it up. 4 steals indicates not enough ball pressure.

Memphis had 4 steals and 18 turnovers.

UCONN had 11 steals and only 6 turnovers.

Winning on the road against a good team is hard but with critical stats like these flip-flopped, makes it very unlikely we get the W.

Steals? Really? Our kids couldn't breath on a UCONN player with out getting called. And turnovers? Well, what everyone else said, I don't really know what your problem is, but you clearly watched a different game from the rest of us. You have a former D1 ref here telling you we got screwed and you're still singing the same ol' song. Shut up and go away.

Hatred for Pastner trumps everything.

That’s a silly childish remark. I talk to fans & players all over the country and all of them like Josh. And no one that I’ve seen here has even mentioned Pastner about this game. All the talk has been about the refs and the stats.

So go get P’d about something else.

Uconn fan here. I understand the sentiment when you look at the raw numbers. Admittedly I watched the first half on my phone and the 2nd half in a bar as I'm traveling in Chicago, so I haven't had the opportunity to really break down the game like I normally do. But watching this highlight reel alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYAnDaoEf4

You can instantly put 8 free throws on the board because of fouls given up as a result of turnovers and Memphis being out of position in transition defense. There was also a non call that should of been 2 more actually. They are listed below

1:24 defensive rebound attack in transition leads to foul
1:44 unforced turnover attack in transition leads to foul
*3:06 steal leads to transition bucket where Kromah is clobbered without a call.
5:23 steal leads to transition foul.
6:45 steal leads to transition foul.

The below was almost the same type of scenario but in the half court:

9:38 dixon gets completely left behind by boatright and leads to contact directly at the rim with goodwin. When you allow a guard to penetrate without anyone around him directly at a big under the rim you are probably going to get the call.

So 8 FT's in transition as a result of turnovers/not getting back + 8 FT when UConn was leading in OT and the 2 for Boat when he torched dixon. 18 out of the 27 FT advantage out of the gate with an * that an egregious foul in transition wasn't called. Memphis was giving up fouls instead of layups. UConn gave memphis a lot of layups which helped them shoot 55% and own the points in the paint battle.

The officiating was tending to give up calls when teams were on the break, uconn was on the break a heck of a lot more than Memphis was.

Dixons' foul on boatright pull up and napier's and 1 to tie the game were tough calls for Memphis I think.

I'm eager to get home and rewatch the entire game to see action on the Memphis offensive end. I'll say this though, the defensive activity highlighted here looks clean to me. Giffey picks Nichols clean to start the break, Boatright gets Goodwin twice all of the other steals featured here are guys jumping passing lanes.

Beautiful. Thanks. So riddle me this. How do Napier and boa right finish with 2 personal fouls COMBINED?

I'll hang up and listen.

(02-16-2014 03:26 PM)OkaForPrez Wrote:  Uconn fan here. I understand the sentiment when you look at the raw numbers. Admittedly I watched the first half on my phone and the 2nd half in a bar as I'm traveling in Chicago, so I haven't had the opportunity to really break down the game like I normally do. But watching this highlight reel alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYAnDaoEf4

You can instantly put 8 free throws on the board because of fouls given up as a result of turnovers and Memphis being out of position in transition defense. There was also a non call that should of been 2 more actually. They are listed below

1:24 defensive rebound attack in transition leads to foul
1:44 unforced turnover attack in transition leads to foul
*3:06 steal leads to transition bucket where Kromah is clobbered without a call.
5:23 steal leads to transition foul.
6:45 steal leads to transition foul.

The below was almost the same type of scenario but in the half court:

9:38 dixon gets completely left behind by boatright and leads to contact directly at the rim with goodwin. When you allow a guard to penetrate without anyone around him directly at a big under the rim you are probably going to get the call.

So 8 FT's in transition as a result of turnovers/not getting back + 8 FT when UConn was leading in OT and the 2 for Boat when he torched dixon. 18 out of the 27 FT advantage out of the gate with an * that an egregious foul in transition wasn't called. Memphis was giving up fouls instead of layups. UConn gave memphis a lot of layups which helped them shoot 55% and own the points in the paint battle.

The officiating was tending to give up calls when teams were on the break, uconn was on the break a heck of a lot more than Memphis was.

Dixons' foul on boatright pull up and napier's and 1 to tie the game were tough calls for Memphis I think.

I'm eager to get home and rewatch the entire game to see action on the Memphis offensive end. I'll say this though, the defensive activity highlighted here looks clean to me. Giffey picks Nichols clean to start the break, Boatright gets Goodwin twice all of the other steals featured here are guys jumping passing lanes.

(02-16-2014 07:04 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:44 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:29 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:59 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:18 AM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  We just did not protect the ball well enough plus make them cough it up. 4 steals indicates not enough ball pressure.

Memphis had 4 steals and 18 turnovers.

UCONN had 11 steals and only 6 turnovers.

Winning on the road against a good team is hard but with critical stats like these flip-flopped, makes it very unlikely we get the W.

18 turnovers (many caused by no calls which I know you won't admit)

We shot 55% from the floor and were +10 in rebounds.

We were getting called for touch fouls while they were able to hack. If you didn't see it, I can't help.

Geron Johnson didn't touch Shabazz on his supposed 5th foul.
Shaq Goodwin got HACKED on his final layup attempt with no call...and then, there's this..

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-basketbal...ever-seen/

OK the refs made us lose.

Happy now?

Beale Street Tiger - This is a serious question; please answer.

Do YOU believe there were any calls or trends by the officials in the UConn-MEMPHIS game yesterday that tended to favor the home team?

If not, just say "no, this was an evenly called game".

If you did see some calls or trends that favored UConn, please list a few of them.

Thanks. I look forward to your response.

We were clearly “Jobbed” and everyone saw it. There was definitely more than your usual home cooking going on. I realized this early in the first half when their bigs were pushing Austin & Shaq around with nothing being called. They finally called 2 on Brimah in the first 6 minutes and he didn’t return.

Another thing I saw early is their guards didn’t challenge our drives to the goal and relied on other players to help. The announcers even said UCONN’s defenders seemed nailed to the floor and in a sense they were, especially with their shot blocker on the bench.

OTOH when UCONN drove or went for a shot they were jumping into our players forcing contact and the refs were calling all of them, whether they were touch fouls or not. Some of them looked like charges to me and others could go either way.

But my issue is really about us continuing to go for the steal after we knew the refs were against us. If we get beat, too often we swipe or poke at the ball from behind. And it’s not only yesterday’s game.

Remember, in our first meeting with UCONN both Chris & Dixon fouled out and Geron had 4 for much of the second half.....and WE were at home.

Just say’in.

(02-16-2014 10:57 AM)Stammers Wrote:  FOULS
7-1 to start the 1st half
5-0 to start the 2nd half
4-0 to start overtime

Spread out over 21:45 of game time.

Don't show that to memphiscanes...I'm guessing all 16 of those were legit except for a call or two.

(02-16-2014 03:46 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Beautiful. Thanks. So riddle me this. How do Napier and boa right finish with 2 personal fouls COMBINED?

I'll hang up and listen.

Like I said I want to watch the full game again to focus on what Memphis was doing offensively, but officials tend to give teams with numbers on the break the benefit of the doubt.

I'm just calling out the fact 1) Memphis turned the ball over alot and often as a result of uconn guards jumping passing lanes where the clutching/grabbing comments are moot.

and 2) those plays did not lead to layups but instead "good fouls" given up by memphis defenders who would rather take a hard foul then give up the easy 2.

I don't remember the opposite scenario happening in reverse because uconn turned the ball over far less than Memphis did and there werent as many run outs as a result. You have to factor a sizeable chunk of the FT differential to end game and a sizeable chunk of FT differential to the turnover disparity. When you take out those pieces, the numbers alone dont tell a story, at that point you have to get into the play by play.

U mean the turnover Napier had that he got bailed out on? Lol olk

(02-16-2014 02:59 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:18 AM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  We just did not protect the ball well enough plus make them cough it up. 4 steals indicates not enough ball pressure.

Memphis had 4 steals and 18 turnovers.

UCONN had 11 steals and only 6 turnovers.

Winning on the road against a good team is hard but with critical stats like these flip-flopped, makes it very unlikely we get the W.

Part of the to's were due to the refs not calling pushing and holding on entry passes . officiating was total bs . We could'v done better in some areas but the way the fouls were not called when it causes a to is just bad officiating . ........... oh well , next game .

(02-16-2014 04:43 PM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:59 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 02:18 AM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  We just did not protect the ball well enough plus make them cough it up. 4 steals indicates not enough ball pressure.

Memphis had 4 steals and 18 turnovers.

UCONN had 11 steals and only 6 turnovers.

Winning on the road against a good team is hard but with critical stats like these flip-flopped, makes it very unlikely we get the W.

Part of the to's were due to the refs not calling pushing and holding on entry passes . officiating was total bs . We could'v done better in some areas but the way the fouls were not called when it causes a to is just bad officiating . ........... oh well , next game .

Some of the turns were due to physical play which went uncalled, but there were also others where we telegraphed and/or attempted casual lazy passes that they anticipated and picked off. They surely didn’t force us into 18 turns.

But as you say NEXT!

(02-16-2014 03:57 PM)OkaForPrez Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:46 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Beautiful. Thanks. So riddle me this. How do Napier and boa right finish with 2 personal fouls COMBINED?

I'll hang up and listen.

Like I said I want to watch the full game again to focus on what Memphis was doing offensively, but officials tend to give teams with numbers on the break the benefit of the doubt.

I'm just calling out the fact 1) Memphis turned the ball over alot and often as a result of uconn guards jumping passing lanes where the clutching/grabbing comments are moot.

and 2) those plays did not lead to layups but instead "good fouls" given up by memphis defenders who would rather take a hard foul then give up the easy 2.

I don't remember the opposite scenario happening in reverse because uconn turned the ball over far less than Memphis did and there werent as many run outs as a result. You have to factor a sizeable chunk of the FT differential to end game and a sizeable chunk of FT differential to the turnover disparity. When you take out those pieces, the numbers alone dont tell a story, at that point you have to get into the play by play.

Memphis had a lot of fast breaks off of rebounds. Seriously how did you miss that?

BTW with all of this Hosed/Jobbed/ref talk Props to Josh & staff for their general defensive scheme. It was basically what we used in crunch time during our last meeting.

It helped to stop their half-court penetration and controlled Daniels.

(02-16-2014 01:50 PM)TigerTitan Wrote:  Yeah, it's too bad the referee's weren't handed each teams' stats sheet before the game to see how many fouls they should be calling!!

Had they seen the disparity of calls against Memphis at half-time, I'm SURE they would have tried to make calls against UCONN to make it more fair to Memphis.


They must have been given orders by higher-ups (or Vegas bookies) to try to keep Memphis down and lose by exactly what the odds-makers predicted.....a five-point loss.

Man ........... you pegged the meter