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Time for a Team-Only Meeting
On the heels of an overall poorly-played game, I hope that the team has a team-only meeting soon. Need to re-focus...may be too much residual drama from the Drummond DUI, getting to 20+ wins, being (until the Eastern loss) the "top dog" in the conference...cannot afford a game like the Eastern game the rest of the way. Dedication, intensity, focus & effort will be the difference between this team winning the MAC tournament and finally getting back to the NCAA or being just one of those 20+ win teams that makes the NIT or CBIT instead.
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I don't think this loss is anything to worry about beyond it being a loss. The team is now 21-4 and having the best season I've seen since becoming a Rockets fan. It has to be tough playing a game where you can't find a rhythm and the only offense that you can rely on are fadeaways and hurried three point shots. Their big guy was huge and literally just parked in the paint the whole game which allowed the other four to play perimeter defense and anything that came inside was blocked because of the size disadvantage...which is why they could only shoot fadeaways inside. Even Boothe was getting rejected. As frustrated as I was, I can only imagine the players were even more frustrated. It can't be often that a team of 6'5" and 6'8" guys get regularly stuffed inside. With all that said, I didn't think that I could ever feel Division 1 college basketball could be boring but man does EMU play some boring ball. It works to their advantage but their game is about as boring as everything else I've seen of their school even in their win.

Here is a pic of #10 taking up his position under the basket. I kind of felt like they had an imaginary red X there for him that he only moved from once the ball got inside the paint.

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We'll be fine.
02-15-2014 07:02 PM
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[quote='Campbell4President' pid='10434249' dateline='1392506144']
I don't think this loss is anything to worry about beyond it being a loss. The team is now 21-4 and having the best season I've seen since becoming a Rockets fan. It has to be tough playing a game where you can't find a rhythm and the only offense that you can rely on are fadeaways and hurried three point shots. Their big guy was huge and literally just parked in the paint the whole game which allowed the other four to play perimeter defense and anything that came inside was blocked because of the size disadvantage...which is why they could only shoot fadeaways inside. Even Boothe was getting rejected. As frustrated as I was, I can only imagine the players were even more frustrated. It can't be often that a team of 6'5" and 6'8" guys get regularly stuffed inside. With all that said, I didn't think that I could ever feel Division 1 college basketball could be boring but man does EMU play some boring ball. It works to their advantage but their game is about as boring as everything else I've seen of their school even in their win.

Here is a pic of #10 taking up his position under the basket. I kind of felt like they had an imaginary red X there for him that he only moved from once the ball got inside the paint.

Yeah, but there are a whole bunch of shots that can be taken other than trying to push it up right under the basket. Wouldn't you think they would have known that Eastern has a 7' guy that they plant right under the basket and what kind of problem that would create? If we had shot worth a crap it wouldn't have mattered. It's not like they have five 7' guys. 5 minutes into the second have and we don't even have 30 points yet? Sheesh...

Nice pic BTW
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nice crowd
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(02-15-2014 07:02 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  We'll be fine.

I agree. A team-only meeting sounds like it's desperate times. It's anything but desperate times for The Rockets. Playing a 30-some regular season schedule, you're going to have a game or two like this. It's hard to be "up" for every game.

As regards with playing EMU who plays a style that seems to put you to sleep, you have to find other ways to create scoring opportunities. There's 3 other ways of creating scoring opportunities and those come from the defensive end. 1) You need play with a lot of energy to get stops, rebound and try to score in transition. 2) You need to get out in passing lanes, get deflections and steals, and again score off those opportunities. 3) You need make them run their offense faster than they want to by picking them up full court and trying to keep the ball out of their point guard's hands. Make someone else handles the ball and runs their offense.
The only problem with the above 3 things, that hasn't been Toledo's style.

I'm sure the coaches' will take yesterday's lose and learn a lot from it, because there's a good chance we will need to beat EMU twice this year, 1) to earn a good seed in the MAC tourney and 2) to advance to NCAA tourney.
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I think what this games shows is that sometimes you need to turn up the defensive intensity.

I think it also showed future opponents how to beat down a team that likes to score and gets its energy from scoring

It also reminds all of us that this is a YOUNG team. Will grow from this experience


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If the refereeing was even that 7 footer would have fouled out in the first half and their defense would not have been as issue. His one "Block" if Boothes hook shot was clear goaltending as Boothes hand was above the rim and the ball was on the way down out of his hand. The Mac needs to fix the uneven officiating
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(02-16-2014 01:48 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  If the refereeing was even that 7 footer would have fouled out in the first half and their defense would not have been as issue. His one "Block" if Boothes hook shot was clear goaltending as Boothes hand was above the rim and the ball was on the way down out of his hand. The Mac needs to fix the uneven officiating

I've seen multiple people say this same thing you just said "The MAC needs to fix this"..."These MAC refs sucks"...etc...

These are NOT just MAC refs. They are refs for a region/multiple conferences. For example, 1 ref yesterday has done 19 D1 games - only 3 were MAC. Another has done 37 games this year - only 7 were MAC. The 3rd has done 48 games - only 6 were MAC games. So people can't just put this on the MAC office and blame them for it.
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(02-16-2014 02:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 01:48 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  If the refereeing was even that 7 footer would have fouled out in the first half and their defense would not have been as issue. His one "Block" if Boothes hook shot was clear goaltending as Boothes hand was above the rim and the ball was on the way down out of his hand. The Mac needs to fix the uneven officiating
I've seen multiple people say this same thing you just said "The MAC needs to fix this"..."These MAC refs sucks"...etc... These are NOT just MAC refs. They are refs for a region/multiple conferences. For example, 1 ref yesterday has done 19 D1 games - only 3 were MAC. Another has done 37 games this year - only 7 were MAC. The 3rd has done 48 games - only 6 were MAC games. So people can't just put this on the MAC office and blame them for it.



It was still aweful!!!!!!

Their point guard would reach and clear out with his forearm causing the contact and the Rocket defender was being called for a blocking foul.
Also, Eastern walked all over the place. And since when does Juice Brown get called for palming the ball?????
02-16-2014 04:33 PM
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(02-16-2014 02:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 01:48 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  If the refereeing was even that 7 footer would have fouled out in the first half and their defense would not have been as issue. His one "Block" if Boothes hook shot was clear goaltending as Boothes hand was above the rim and the ball was on the way down out of his hand. The Mac needs to fix the uneven officiating

I've seen multiple people say this same thing you just said "The MAC needs to fix this"..."These MAC refs sucks"...etc...

These are NOT just MAC refs. They are refs for a region/multiple conferences. For example, 1 ref yesterday has done 19 D1 games - only 3 were MAC. Another has done 37 games this year - only 7 were MAC. The 3rd has done 48 games - only 6 were MAC games. So people can't just put this on the MAC office and blame them for it.

This is a very good point. Refs like Mike Sanzere and Terry Wymer, who often ref MAC games, also ref games in the Big Ten and other "big" conferences. People often express their desire to move to a different league so that we could experience better officiating. Well, if the same refs are making calls in the more desirable leagues also, what difference is it going to make?
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they need to get seriously angry and make other teams that play them beg for them to put in the backups at halftime.


all this going up by 20 then losing by 5 in OT or splitting home and home games with 10 win teams is getting stupidly ridiculous
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(02-16-2014 06:44 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  they need to get seriously angry and make other teams that play them beg for them to put in the backups at halftime.


all this going up by 20 then losing by 5 in OT or splitting home and home games with 10 win teams is getting stupidly ridiculous

Fortunately none of those things have happened.
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(02-16-2014 02:16 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 01:48 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  If the refereeing was even that 7 footer would have fouled out in the first half and their defense would not have been as issue. His one "Block" if Boothes hook shot was clear goaltending as Boothes hand was above the rim and the ball was on the way down out of his hand. The Mac needs to fix the uneven officiating

I've seen multiple people say this same thing you just said "The MAC needs to fix this"..."These MAC refs sucks"...etc...

These are NOT just MAC refs. They are refs for a region/multiple conferences. For example, 1 ref yesterday has done 19 D1 games - only 3 were MAC. Another has done 37 games this year - only 7 were MAC. The 3rd has done 48 games - only 6 were MAC games. So people can't just put this on the MAC office and blame them for it.

One of the refs yesterday was an nfl ref.
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The sequence that led to Drummond's 5th foul was ludicrous. He drives to the basket against 2 scrambling EMU defenders, one of whom hits him hard on the arm, other guy hits him on the back, both apparently clean. Then Justin gets the 50/50 loose ball foul.

I also liked the one where Juice shot a layup that ended up going over the backboard. Official on the near sideline in front of the play signals tipped ball, but was mysteriously overruled as he ducked down the sideline acting like he didn't make that signal. I guess Juice must have missed a 2 foot shot over the backboard on his own.

So yeah, we totally should have only lost by like 14.
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(02-16-2014 09:56 PM)therockets046 Wrote:  I also liked the one where Juice shot a layup that ended up going over the backboard. Official on the near sideline in front of the play signals tipped ball, but was mysteriously overruled as he ducked down the sideline acting like he didn't make that signal. I guess Juice must have missed a 2 foot shot over the backboard on his own.

I'm pretty sure he was trying to ask the other refs if it was tipped or not.
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How about the one where the ball went off the Eastern player's knees in front of the Toledo bench and fans, and they gave the ball to Eastern.
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The ref's were horrible, but the outcome wasn't determined by crappy calls. My favorite was the mauling by two of their bigs late in the second half, then the next time down the floor they call a ticky tack body foul to make up for the missed maiming. We were outcoached, out hustled and out played. I saw a game with five individual players trying to break down the zone. No team play from what I saw.
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(02-17-2014 11:19 AM)emanoh Wrote:  The ref's were horrible, but the outcome wasn't determined by crappy calls. My favorite was the mauling by two of their bigs late in the second half, then the next time down the floor they call a ticky tack body foul to make up for the missed maiming. We were outcoached, out hustled and out played. I saw a game with five individual players trying to break down the zone. No team play from what I saw.

AGREED !!! That pretty much sums it up. This team needs to bounce back in a big way on Thursday. Hopefully getting this stinker of a game out of their system will help, come March.
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It was almost like we've never seen a 2-3 zone before, not like we couldn't have gotten our hands on 20 games worth of tape on EMU. They determined our every move. Every timeout I was waiting for us to do something different and no adjustments were made. Last time I checked we were the #1 team in the MAC and they made us look hesitant, confused and completely out of sync. Even if we got a few more shots to fall, we still wouldn't have lucked out a win. We have 4-5 guys who are great one-on-one players and can create shots, but not against that zone, we needed to make the extra pass and keep the offense moving to find the creases. We'd pass, wait for them to reset, pass, reset, etc. then the shot clock would be zero and we'd launch a bad three. Plus we aren't a great three point shooting team to catch up at the end. We're a drive to the basket, make contact, shoot foul shot team and then oportunistic on outside shots. No drives = no foul shots, plus it doesn't put their bigs in foul trouble. The whole game was a nightmare and embarassing for what this team can do. It now puts us in an interesting position the rest of this season. None of the games are gimmies. Sorry, sounds like I'm pilling on at this point, but I needed a few days for this one to fester and leave my system.
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