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(02-15-2014 09:55 PM)EagleX Wrote:  lol. the abcnews headline :

UAW Falls 87 Votes Short of Major Victory in South

Liberals will spin this for months. Fact is, they got this close cause VW offered NO opposition to this and even quietly supported the UAW. The UAW won't get this treatment from any other foreign manufacturer operating in the south.
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(02-15-2014 09:55 PM)EagleX Wrote:  lol. the abcnews headline :

UAW Falls 87 Votes Short of Major Victory in South

The probably also said the Denver ran out of time in their comeback against Seattle.
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Well, we've been scolded for weeks and told "they are allowed to vote". And they did. Now it's time to find the 626 idjits that wanted to ruin this company, and it's expansion, and show them the door, along with their brethren thugs in the UAW.

There will be 200 people lined up for every one of these vacated positions, that's what I call "new jobs"! Well done Kentucky. Well done.
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(02-16-2014 02:30 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Well, we've been scolded for weeks and told "they are allowed to vote". And they did. Now it's time to find the 626 idjits that wanted to ruin this company, and it's expansion, and show them the door, along with their brethren thugs in the UAW.

JMU, that's what unions do, not people who believe in "right to work". Let the 626 stay at their job. You don't punish them for voting against their better interests.

However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.
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(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.
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(02-16-2014 09:47 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.

I can see that; however, are people that are in a union now actually allowed to vote to disband said union?
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(02-16-2014 09:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:47 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.

I can see that; however, are people that are in a union now actually allowed to vote to disband said union?

Not to my knowledge. But they should be. Unionizing in and of itself isn't a bad thing if the goal is to address a specific problem. Maintaining a union for the sake of having one is where the problems begin.
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(02-15-2014 10:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(02-15-2014 09:55 PM)EagleX Wrote:  lol. the abcnews headline :

UAW Falls 87 Votes Short of Major Victory in South

Liberals will spin this for months. Fact is, they got this close cause VW offered NO opposition to this and even quietly supported the UAW. The UAW won't get this treatment from any other foreign manufacturer operating in the south.

There are two union representatives on VW's board. Further, Germany's government prohibits companies from actively opposing unionization. Therefore, VW couldn't do much more than stand aside.

And finally, unions in Europe are not like unions in the US. They are participatory and assistive in Europe while in the US they are, at least in their current form, obstructive and destructive.
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(02-16-2014 10:13 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(02-15-2014 10:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(02-15-2014 09:55 PM)EagleX Wrote:  lol. the abcnews headline :

UAW Falls 87 Votes Short of Major Victory in South

Liberals will spin this for months. Fact is, they got this close cause VW offered NO opposition to this and even quietly supported the UAW. The UAW won't get this treatment from any other foreign manufacturer operating in the south.

There are two union representatives on VW's board. Further, Germany's government prohibits companies from actively opposing unionization. Therefore, VW couldn't do much more than stand aside.

And finally, unions in Europe are not like unions in the US. They are participatory and assistive in Europe while in the US they are, at least in their current form, obstructive and destructive.

Wonder if that is because unions in Germany are different than unions in the US? I bet eventually German companies, or any foreign company, will seek to have its laws changed when dealing specifically with unions in the US?
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(02-16-2014 09:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:47 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.

I can see that; however, are people that are in a union now actually allowed to vote to disband said union?

Yes, they can vote to decertify any time they want, all they need is 50% plus one to vote the union out and it's gone, but there's a catch; you can't decertify if there is a pending unfair labor practice complaint and all the union has to do is find someone who is willing to complain about something and that will hold up the decertification vote.

What I never understood is why companies agree to do automatic payroll deductions for union dues. As far as I know there's no legal requirement to do it, so I don't know why they would.
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(02-16-2014 09:47 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.

a union is an outside group.
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(02-16-2014 09:47 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.

I hope you aren't suggesting that "politicians" (love the way the union guy missed the boat on this one), aka, the guys that the citizens of tennessee and chattanooga elected to represent them, had no place in the argument?

they're about the only ones that did have a place in the debate.
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(02-16-2014 09:47 AM)Hitch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 09:21 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  However, I say there should be NO more chances for a union vote ever allowed at this plant.

I disagree. The workers should be free to form and disband unions as they deem fit. Outside groups shouldn't be allowed to mandate or ban the formation of unions.

Unions exist to create division between management/ownership and workers. There was no clear dissatisfaction with working conditions, salary, benefits, so why did the UAW feel they were needed.

Unions are the worst kind of outside influence. A Union vote should happen within 24 hours of the NLRB approval for a vote. No campaigning from either side allowed no union effort to gain the signatures needed to call for a vote.
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The UAW had its time; that time is over.
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(02-16-2014 02:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The UAW had its time; that time is over.

organized labor was a smashing success. it solved the problem it set out to solve. but it didn't have the common sense or the decency to go out of business after it won.

it's the thing about "reformers". they never seem to reform themselves out of a job.
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Watching Bob Beckel debate that racism was partly the cause of the union being
rejected. Pretty pathetic attempt by him to claim that. Andrea Tantaros tore him
up in that debate. Unions are attempting to pick at straws and make any excuses
for their defeat. Beckel even brought up Hitler and the Nazis and VW being racist.
Guess not wanting to pay union dues had absolutely nothing to do with the vote.
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