(02-14-2014 04:58 PM)I45owl Wrote:  With regards to judging Dr. K on the basis of this extension ... of far more interest is how he addresses the basketball situation competently and marshalls whatever resources need to be in place to take action.

Just saw this. Got to say it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for Kaalgard. Maybe there is a reason, but it is certainly hard for me to fathom.

(02-14-2014 12:53 PM)rice1931 Wrote:  Overall I approve of this extension by our new AD. Bailiff does a number of things well. He is a great representative for Rice and his players graduate. In addition, he seems to consistently recruit well despite the disadvantages with which he must work, and each recruiting class appears to be better than the prior one. At Rice it is critical for he and his staff to be skillful at projecting how a recruit will develop, particularly linemen. They have done a good job of that. Successful recruiting is the cornerstone of any good program, and although it has taken several years to accomplish, Rice currently has a fairly solid team with more depth than I can remember. So while one can always find shortcomings, I agree with the decision and hope more resources are devoted to retaining able assistant coaches and that the new AD can move forward with stadium renovations.

Exactly my thoughts. The success speaks for itself. Imagine what he could do with modern facilities.

There may be donors who are ready to give big to the stadium project under the condition that Bailiff get an extension that keeps him at Rice for a long time. You never know. I also believe Bailiff doesn't really have a desire to coach anywhere else. He's building something of his own at Rice. All his family and all his recruiting connections are here in the state of Texas.

(02-14-2014 08:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  he had 3 years left, now he jas 5, so basically a 2 year extention. If last year's extension was a bit too much, this takes us to about where we should be, and the 5 year length will help him to recruit effectively.

Buddy-- what are you thinking? Those are entirely rational points. You have to take them to another venue. Remember, their are up and coming high school coaches we could hire --think Todd Dodge and how that worked for UNT (and that comment does not cast doubt on how wise we would be to bring in certain highly educated former youth coaches to teach our receivers how to get open) or great up and comers in the college ranks -- hmmm -- certain amphibians come to mind.

We are all frustrated when our Owls are not as successful as we wish -- but at this point i have no problem with DB's extension. He is a great face for the program and we are in need of much more than a new head coach to be a top 50 football program.

Good point re: Dodge. I would throw in Briles, Graham (your amphibian failure and pac12 coach of the year), Morris, Malzahn as well.

Remember, the first step to failing is trying.

(02-15-2014 01:23 AM)At Ease Wrote:  Good point re: Dodge. I would throw in Briles, Graham (your amphibian failure and pac12 coach of the year), Morris, Malzahn as well.

Remember, the first step to failing is trying.

Not to mention that fellow who coaches the 49ers too!

Although I have had some frustrations over our offensive game planning and play calling over the last few years, it has been a joy to watch Rice actually dominate the line of scrimmage at times and have a defense worthy of the name.

(02-14-2014 10:17 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  There may be donors who are ready to give big to the stadium project under the condition that Bailiff get an extension that keeps him at Rice for a long time. You never know. I also believe Bailiff doesn't really have a desire to coach anywhere else. He's building something of his own at Rice. All his family and all his recruiting connections are here in the state of Texas.

My gut tells me there are more donors who will now resist giving big to the football program-- both due to this extension (which many perceive as unnecessary) and, especially, due to Bailiff's decision on the new OC.

(02-15-2014 10:53 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:17 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  There may be donors who are ready to give big to the stadium project under the condition that Bailiff get an extension that keeps him at Rice for a long time. You never know. I also believe Bailiff doesn't really have a desire to coach anywhere else. He's building something of his own at Rice. All his family and all his recruiting connections are here in the state of Texas.

My gut tells me there are more donors who will now resist giving big to the football program-- both due to this extension (which many perceive as unnecessary) and, especially, due to Bailiff's decision on the new OC.

You may be right Walt.

But the reality is that we're in CUSA. And if someone cannot be pleased enough to donate after a conference championship (the first in 50 years) and a Liberty Bowl berth (the best bowl available) . . . . the only real improvement they can 'demand' is that we also win the Liberty Bowl, . . . . . . . well they can find a reason to never donate (and obviously I'm talking about those with the wherewithal to do so).

(02-15-2014 11:31 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 10:53 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:17 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  There may be donors who are ready to give big to the stadium project under the condition that Bailiff get an extension that keeps him at Rice for a long time. You never know. I also believe Bailiff doesn't really have a desire to coach anywhere else. He's building something of his own at Rice. All his family and all his recruiting connections are here in the state of Texas.

My gut tells me there are more donors who will now resist giving big to the football program-- both due to this extension (which many perceive as unnecessary) and, especially, due to Bailiff's decision on the new OC.

You may be right Walt.

But the reality is that we're in CUSA. And if someone cannot be pleased enough to donate after a conference championship (the first in 50 years) and a Liberty Bowl berth (the best bowl available) . . . . the only real improvement they can 'demand' is that we also win the Liberty Bowl, . . . . . . . well they can find a reason to never donate (and obviously I'm talking about those with the wherewithal to do so).

Rick, I understand your point, but that's just not true...and I, for one, am evidence of that (and I know at least a handful of others that are in the same boat as I). As satisfying as the 2013 season was, what we're looking for here is to take the program to the NEXT level; not remain as a title contender in CUSA...and the only way we're going to get there is if DB stopped making player and coaching decisions based more on loyalty than talent.

(02-15-2014 11:31 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 10:53 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:17 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  There may be donors who are ready to give big to the stadium project under the condition that Bailiff get an extension that keeps him at Rice for a long time. You never know. I also believe Bailiff doesn't really have a desire to coach anywhere else. He's building something of his own at Rice. All his family and all his recruiting connections are here in the state of Texas.

My gut tells me there are more donors who will now resist giving big to the football program-- both due to this extension (which many perceive as unnecessary) and, especially, due to Bailiff's decision on the new OC.

You may be right Walt.

But the reality is that we're in CUSA. And if someone cannot be pleased enough to donate after a conference championship (the first in 50 years) and a Liberty Bowl berth (the best bowl available) . . . . the only real improvement they can 'demand' is that we also win the Liberty Bowl, . . . . . . . well they can find a reason to never donate (and obviously I'm talking about those with the wherewithal to do so).

Bingo. If this past season doesn't spur it, nothing ever will.

Dr. K has made his decision on the coach. He believes in David. As Hambone has pointed out before, we can agree or disagree on that decision, but there are so many other fundamental problems at Rice that need to be fixed for football to be where we want it to be. So, for all of us regardless how we feel about it, let's move on from this decision and figure out how we can contribute to improving the program. For example, we as a group could pick a problem and raise money to try to fix it, such as maybe better equipment for radio broadcast (if that is the problem, and sorry, not sure how to fix JP unless we get annual contributions from a lot of people), start a fund for improving the budget for football assistant coaches salaries (which is very much needed), start a fund for maintenance (which is very much needed), etc.

Oh yeah, my gut tells me that Walt's gut is wrong.

Just read through this thread. Some very interesting points.
I'm ok with the extension. Although we all want out of CUSA I think that moving up will take another 2 or 3 very successful seasons and bowl appearances to be even considered for that. . I think Coach Bailiff can do that.
Regardless of the extension, to me the biggest issue is building better infrastructure for the program. Facilities. Salaries. Marketing.

Keep in mind that this extension is a redo of his old extension under Greenspan. I suspect that Dr. K got some onerous terms eliminated/changed in return for some favorable terms for Rice under the new contract. He so much as said this in the press release. Extending the terms of a contract longer than many here think should be but with better terms (including perhaps performance goals, etc.) may be a very smart move. Won't know until someone actually sees the contract.


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(02-15-2014 12:33 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  Just read through this thread. Some very interesting points.
I'm ok with the extension. Although we all want out of CUSA I think that moving up will take another 2 or 3 very successful seasons and bowl appearances to be even considered for that. . I think Coach Bailiff can do that.
Regardless of the extension, to me the biggest issue is building better infrastructure for the program. Facilities. Salaries. Marketing.

Yup.

(02-15-2014 01:12 AM)austinowl73 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  he had 3 years left, now he jas 5, so basically a 2 year extention. If last year's extension was a bit too much, this takes us to about where we should be, and the 5 year length will help him to recruit effectively.

Buddy-- what are you thinking? Those are entirely rational points. You have to take them to another venue. Remember, their are up and coming high school coaches we could hire --think Todd Dodge and how that worked for UNT (and that comment does not cast doubt on how wise we would be to bring in certain highly educated former youth coaches to teach our receivers how to get open) or great up and comers in the college ranks -- hmmm -- certain amphibians come to mind.

We are all frustrated when our Owls are not as successful as we wish -- but at this point i have no problem with DB's extension. He is a great face for the program and we are in need of much more than a new head coach to be a top 50 football program.

It's been a while since I have bee accused of being rational. Usually my efforts to be fair result in being labeled as a bailiff apologist and Ok with mediocrity.

Some good points made by al sides on this matter, but the bottom line at this point is we have Bailiff for better owr worse, so let's do our part to make it better. I have never understood those who demand the end result before giving the means. Might work with teenagers. (No allowance until your grades come up)

yes, we need more and better facilities. Yes, Bailiff isn't the best HC in college football. Yes, we are not in a top conference. No, sewing shut the pocketbooks will not help.

We are all disappointed, every year, because perfection is not reached, but the journey to the top is like climbing stairs - we must go one step at a time, not just wish we could leap directly there. The next step is a good 2014.

I still have faith in JK. This contract is a proper and reasonable response to the situation. If we were not going to do this, we should fire him, and let the Parliament hire a coach.

As for that highly educated former youth coach, I wish he was the OC, but he's not, so we will just have to see how things work out.

(02-14-2014 10:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I would not have done this, but I don't criticize those who did. I don't think he's going anywhere, so I don't see the need to lock both sides in.

As usual, Owl 69 et al is spot on.

At this point, it's all about the facilities, not coaching. Bailiff has done his job well under difficult circumstances. If Rice wants to keep improving the football program, it needs to raise the money necessary to bring the stadium into the modern era.

For everyone who was critical of the contact extension for DB, it is clear that Dr. K has much larger problems to deal with than football.
While the Liberty Bowl showed how much work is still needed, the Football program is stable and improving. Our new AD can focus on fund raising for football, the Basketball team and the mess RG left.


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(02-15-2014 04:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  At this point, it's all about the facilities, not coaching.

Nope.

In the short term, I absolutely believe that investing more money $ in staff salaries would have a greater impact on W/L record.

The obvious answer is that we need both.

I'm not sure if those touting the infrastructure/facilities side of the equation are paying attention to what's happening at Tudor.