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(02-16-2014 09:57 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  I'm know there are physicians making more than 300-350k employed by UAB.

A better comparison is what other D-1 FB coaches at similar sized programs are making anyway. We seem to do pretty well there.

I can't think of a school that got less bang for its buck than we did with McGee.

Edit: Forgot Ellis Johnson.

You pay coaches with the intention that you will get a good return on your investment.
The more money you spend on a coach, the more you expect to get in return for the investment.

(02-16-2014 07:12 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:09 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:00 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 04:19 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:35 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  I just want to know. It's called keeping them honest. And yes, I would care if he's getting paid $12 million even if he won a national championship next year, because unlike the two Division 1 state schools south of the Jones Valley, football isn't the most important thing in the world at UAB.

if he won a national championship and got UAB into a major conference as a result he would be worth 12 million a year. The SEC paid over 20 million last year and the Big Ten over 25 million last year. even the lowly ACC paid 16.9 million. After you deduct the 12 mill a year that's still an increase of 4 million over our CUSA payout not to mention increased ticket sales etc.

Absolutely not. What the hell have you been smoking?

my point was strictly economic not moral. if he won a national championship and that led us into a conference that paid us 17-25 million a year than 12 for him would be worth it. are you saying its not worth 12 million a year to increase our revenues by 30 million a year?

Yeah...it would be a great deal for the university. But no, absolutely not worth it for the state that pays his salary

is it worth the state investing 12 in medical research to make over 30 as a result?

(02-16-2014 09:15 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 08:08 PM)LightEmUp70 Wrote:  The state pays a comparatively small part of the salary. And investing in a coach that will vastly increase the school's income will always be worth it. It's simple business principles (and, no, I don't think any coach is worth a 12 million dollar investment at this point).

you have to take into account that much of the salary is paid by donors, and every one of those donors takes a huge tax deduction for it. add on to that the fact that the school doesn't pay taxes (as a non-profit), its a double whammy.
the govt indirectly ends up paying a large part of the bill without recouping any of the financial benefits that would come from this mythical national championship.

im not saying he makes too much…I'm have no idea what he's making and I'm certain that i don't think its too much. you're right, in order to be successful, investment must be made

however, there is a salary point that is too much, regardless of success, IMHO

Sure there is. When the return drops off from the investment.

I would also argue that the tax deductions are offsite to a large degree by economic benefit of a winning program. For example, take Tennessee. When they are doing well, over 100,000 people will show up for a game. Not everyone will leave the same day, so you have lots of tax income from hotels, motels, campgrounds, docks for boats, etc. Most are going to buy at least one meal, so we have sales tax on food. Many will buy souvenirs, etc. But more importantly, it brings money into the state and city which can then be used, and taxed, as the locals spend money later.

(02-16-2014 10:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I can't think of a school that got less bang for its buck than we did with McGee.

Edit: Forgot Ellis Johnson.

The best thing about McGee was the fact that he left on his own, and Louisville actually had to pay his buyout (lol). It's amazing that EJ did as lousy as he did at USM.

It's amazing that USM hired him.

(02-16-2014 10:31 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  It's amazing that USM hired him.

LOL, yep!

A great deal of the money the doctors make comes from their medical practice and is not state money.

I'm not saying that UAB is paying Clark too much or that anything untoward is going on, but the contracts are always interesting to read. And they're public record, it's not like we're trying to find out his cholesterol level or whether he wears boxers or briefs.

(02-16-2014 10:24 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 07:12 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:09 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:00 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 04:19 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  if he won a national championship and got UAB into a major conference as a result he would be worth 12 million a year. The SEC paid over 20 million last year and the Big Ten over 25 million last year. even the lowly ACC paid 16.9 million. After you deduct the 12 mill a year that's still an increase of 4 million over our CUSA payout not to mention increased ticket sales etc.

Absolutely not. What the hell have you been smoking?

my point was strictly economic not moral. if he won a national championship and that led us into a conference that paid us 17-25 million a year than 12 for him would be worth it. are you saying its not worth 12 million a year to increase our revenues by 30 million a year?

Yeah...it would be a great deal for the university. But no, absolutely not worth it for the state that pays his salary

is it worth the state investing 12 in medical research to make over 30 as a result?

One provides long-term benefits to the human race. The other provides scholarships to kids that are athletic and gives entertainment to cranky old men on message boards.

Not even comparable. You can stop arguing now.

(02-16-2014 10:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I can't think of a school that got less bang for its buck than we did with McGee.

Edit: Forgot Ellis Johnson.

Reggie Johnson making $250,000 as DC (the highest payed football assistant coach in CUSA) is ALMOST as bad as having to pay McGee $550,000. At least Johnson was a heck of a nice guy though!

(02-16-2014 11:09 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 10:24 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 07:12 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:09 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:00 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  Absolutely not. What the hell have you been smoking?

my point was strictly economic not moral. if he won a national championship and that led us into a conference that paid us 17-25 million a year than 12 for him would be worth it. are you saying its not worth 12 million a year to increase our revenues by 30 million a year?

Yeah...it would be a great deal for the university. But no, absolutely not worth it for the state that pays his salary

is it worth the state investing 12 in medical research to make over 30 as a result?

One provides long-term benefits to the human race. The other provides scholarships to kids that are athletic and gives entertainment to cranky old men on message boards.

Not even comparable. You can stop arguing now.

I am not arguing the merit of one vs the other. there was a post that said he would be against paying a coach 12 million even if he won a national championship. I said IF it got us into a major conference we would be better off financially as a result. it was a simple statement of fact not advocation.

(02-16-2014 10:24 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 07:12 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:09 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:00 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 04:19 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  if he won a national championship and got UAB into a major conference as a result he would be worth 12 million a year. The SEC paid over 20 million last year and the Big Ten over 25 million last year. even the lowly ACC paid 16.9 million. After you deduct the 12 mill a year that's still an increase of 4 million over our CUSA payout not to mention increased ticket sales etc.

Absolutely not. What the hell have you been smoking?

my point was strictly economic not moral. if he won a national championship and that led us into a conference that paid us 17-25 million a year than 12 for him would be worth it. are you saying its not worth 12 million a year to increase our revenues by 30 million a year?

Yeah...it would be a great deal for the university. But no, absolutely not worth it for the state that pays his salary

is it worth the state investing 12 in medical research to make over 30 as a result?

Yeah...those are the same

(02-16-2014 11:10 PM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 10:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I can't think of a school that got less bang for its buck than we did with McGee.

Edit: Forgot Ellis Johnson.

Reggie Johnson making $250,000 as DC (the highest payed football assistant coach in CUSA) is ALMOST as bad as having to pay McGee $550,000. At least Johnson was a heck of a nice guy though!

Johnson was hindered by McGee. Not saying he was ready to be a D1 defensive coordinator, but he definitely didn't have full control over the defense.

(02-17-2014 10:30 AM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 11:10 PM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 10:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I can't think of a school that got less bang for its buck than we did with McGee.

Edit: Forgot Ellis Johnson.

Reggie Johnson making $250,000 as DC (the highest payed football assistant coach in CUSA) is ALMOST as bad as having to pay McGee $550,000. At least Johnson was a heck of a nice guy though!

Johnson was hindered by McGee. Not saying he was ready to be a D1 defensive coordinator, but he definitely didn't have full control over the defense.

Yep, I wondered about that. Hopefully, he will land a good job before long. As far as I can tell, Evans, Sharpe and Johnson are still looking.