I'm not sure why you guys expect MD to respond to logic after the first couple of attempts.

(02-19-2014 01:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys expect MD to respond to logic after the first couple of attempts.

I laid out facts , their main reasoning was the blanket "the MAC is a 1-bid conference". That logic might work some years but it probably shouldn't this year.

(02-19-2014 01:48 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys expect MD to respond to logic after the first couple of attempts.

I laid out facts , their main reasoning was the blanket "the MAC is a 1-bid conference". That logic might work some years but it probably shouldn't this year.

Your facts don't make a great argument. Win total is a small thing to consider. So is RPI. So is conference ranking. You can cherry pick minor arguments all you want, but they don't make an overwhelming argument despite your insistence.

(02-19-2014 01:50 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Win total is a small thing to consider.

That is where my frustration lies, winning is not really considered, just conference affiliation.

(02-19-2014 01:48 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I laid out facts , their main reasoning was the blanket "the MAC is a 1-bid conference". That logic might work some years but it probably shouldn't this year.

Nowhere did I use anything similar to that argument, every single thing I provided was specific to Toledo. Stop making things up.

(02-19-2014 02:50 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:50 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Win total is a small thing to consider.

That is where my frustration lies, winning is not really considered, just conference affiliation.

No....wins against good teams matter. Your conference can help you get those. The MAC does not help you get top 50 wins. The Big Ten does. It's rather simple.

(02-19-2014 12:05 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 02:50 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:50 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Win total is a small thing to consider.

That is where my frustration lies, winning is not really considered, just conference affiliation.

No....wins against good teams matter. Your conference can help you get those. The MAC does not help you get top 50 wins. The Big Ten does. It's rather simple.

The problem is conferences like the Big 10 get the inflated rankings in the RPI to start the year because they play exclusive home schedules for the most part. Then once conference season starts you have the perceived great teams losing to the bad teams in the conference, and instead of the realization coming that the whole conference was overvalued, it is instead spun as "WOW! The Big 10 is so deep because Illinois beat the number 1 team! Or Wow Nebraska beat MSU!" In essence, the conference is not as good as initially thought, its just how the big conferences get all these teams in.

(02-19-2014 01:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 12:05 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 02:50 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:50 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  Win total is a small thing to consider.

That is where my frustration lies, winning is not really considered, just conference affiliation.

No....wins against good teams matter. Your conference can help you get those. The MAC does not help you get top 50 wins. The Big Ten does. It's rather simple.

The problem is conferences like the Big 10 get the inflated rankings in the RPI to start the year because they play exclusive home schedules for the most part. Then once conference season starts you have the perceived great teams losing to the bad teams in the conference, and instead of the realization coming that the whole conference was overvalued, it is instead spun as "WOW! The Big 10 is so deep because Illinois beat the number 1 team! Or Wow Nebraska beat MSU!" In essence, the conference is not as good as initially thought, its just how the big conferences get all these teams in.

Is that also why Michigan was in the NCG? Or why MSU is always in the Final 4? Or how OSU, Indiana, and Wisconsin are always competing in the top 10-15 and advance in the tourney? The Big Ten is the WORST conference to compare us to because it is the overall best basketball conference from top to bottom. On the other hand, BCS conferences such as the SEC and Pac 12 are always limited to 2-3 good teams and rarely advance anywhere (Besides Kentucky). Those would of probably been much better comparisons instead of the best basketball conference in college.

The Big12 is better than the BIG10.

(02-19-2014 01:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys expect MD to respond to logic after the first couple of attempts.

I guess they need to do as you say, not as you do.

(02-19-2014 03:19 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The Big12 is better than the BIG10.

Lol. The only team with a chance to do anything in the Big 12 come March is Kansas. On the other hand, Michigan, Michigan St, Wisconsin, Ohio St, and maybe even Iowa have a chance to make noise in the Big Ten.

When was the last time any school outside of Kansas did anything in the Big 12 for basketball? They have been holding that conference up for over a decade now.

I'm beginning to think this is more about the hatred towards the Big Ten rather than acknowledging the facts.

Iowa St, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma St., West Virginia and Kansas, I will take them over the top 7 Big10 teams easily. Iowa St the 4th place Big12 team already beat up on the Big10 number one team.

(02-19-2014 03:55 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Iowa St, Kansas St, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma St., West Virginia and Kansas, I will take them over the top 7 Big10 teams easily. Iowa St the 4th place Big12 team already beat up on the Big10 number one team.

Iowa St and Texas are decent. Oklahoma State was good but 7 losses in a row kind of takes them way down. The rest are pretty overrated outside of maybe Kansas St.

(02-19-2014 03:32 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys expect MD to respond to logic after the first couple of attempts.

I guess they need to do as you say, not as you do.

Wanting the best teams in the tournament is revolutionary and controversial I guess

(02-18-2014 09:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Huskietap and UIHuskie, I don't know why you are so threatened that Toledo could take a spot away from the Big 10. It is not the end of the world if a really bad Minnesota or Nebraska team doesn't get in. Why not reward teams for having good season and putting the best at-large teams in, that is all I am saying.

It's not about taking a spot away from a Big 10 or any other major conference; no offense MD, but the MAC simply isn't that good, period. The NCAA tournament is not about taking the best teams, it's giving an automatic berth to every conference and then selecting the most competitive programs to fill out the rest of the field. Selecting the most competitive programs is where the debate comes in and the debate centers around strength of schedule, late results, injuries, etc.; and there is simply no arguing that the home-and-away grind in the Big 10, ACC, Big 12, PAC-12, Big East, etc. is tougher than playing in the Missouri Valley, MAC, C-USA, Horizon, Colonial, etc. Seldom is there a school atop any of the leagues from 11 through 32 that you listed that doesn't have an impressive-looking won-loss record. And that's why that record alone doesn't guarantee them one of those remaining at-large berths.
We're also Huskies fans and even most are fans of the MAC, but objectively, the quality wins for Toledo just do not exist to justify an at-large berth.

Top Big10 team is Michigan. Top Big12 team is Kansas.The Middle Big10 team is Nebraska. The middle Big12 team is Kansas St. The bottom Big10 team is Illinois. The bottom Big12 team is TCU. The conferences are close, but I have no problem saying Big 12 is better. NIU took Nebraska to the wire, in Lincoln. I wonder what would happen, if NIU played Kansas St(lol).

(02-19-2014 06:47 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Top Big10 team is Michigan.

I'd love to hear the explanation for this.

Michigan is in first place tie with Michigan St. Michigan beat Michigan St. I hope that's good enough for you, but probably isn't!

(02-19-2014 03:34 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 03:19 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The Big12 is better than the BIG10.

When was the last time any school outside of Kansas did anything in the Big 12 for basketball? They have been holding that conference up for over a decade now.

What does history have to do with ANYTHING? The Big 12 may not have been the best conference in the past, but CURRENTLY it has the highest rated RPI, and the fact is, I'd choose the top 3 BIG12 teams over the top 3 BIG 10 teams.

BIG 10
#13 Michigan State 21-5 #19 RPI
#20 Michigan 18-7 #16 RPI
#15 Iowa 19-6 #30 RPI


BIG 12
#8 Kansas 20-6 #1 RPI
#19 Texas 20-6 #21 RPI
#17 Iowa State 20-5 #10 RPI


BIG 10 Total RPI: 65
BIG 10 Total Rank: 48

BIG 12 Total RPI: 32
BIG 12 Total Rank: 44

(02-19-2014 03:32 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 01:47 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  I'm not sure why you guys expect MD to respond to logic after the first couple of attempts.

I guess they need to do as you say, not as you do.

Pot meet kettle indeed.

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