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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
(02-16-2014 02:41 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Kicking out Hartwick actually makes me think UMass is next. Hartwick is located almost exactly between Buffalo and UMass, and would greatly help with travel costs in that sport as a "bridge" school. So maybe UMass won't be coming in for all sports and there was no need for a team like Hartwick, at least in that respect.

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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
(02-16-2014 02:41 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Kicking out Hartwick actually makes me think UMass is next. Hartwick is located almost exactly between Buffalo and UMass, and would greatly help with travel costs in that sport as a "bridge" school. So maybe UMass won't be coming in for all sports and there was no need for a team like Hartwick, at least in that respect.

Please tell me you're kidding....

Hartwick has nothing in common with any MAC school and you don't need a bridge for a single non revenue sport...
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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
(02-16-2014 05:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 02:41 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Kicking out Hartwick actually makes me think UMass is next. Hartwick is located almost exactly between Buffalo and UMass, and would greatly help with travel costs in that sport as a "bridge" school. So maybe UMass won't be coming in for all sports and there was no need for a team like Hartwick, at least in that respect.

Please tell me you're kidding....

Hartwick has nothing in common with any MAC school and you don't need a bridge for a single non revenue sport...

Hartwick has nothing in common w/ any MAC school, but I didn't see them as a liability either. Change just for the sake of change?
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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
(02-17-2014 08:56 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 05:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(02-16-2014 02:41 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Kicking out Hartwick actually makes me think UMass is next. Hartwick is located almost exactly between Buffalo and UMass, and would greatly help with travel costs in that sport as a "bridge" school. So maybe UMass won't be coming in for all sports and there was no need for a team like Hartwick, at least in that respect.

Please tell me you're kidding....

Hartwick has nothing in common with any MAC school and you don't need a bridge for a single non revenue sport...

Hartwick has nothing in common w/ any MAC school, but I didn't see them as a liability either. Change just for the sake of change?

Oh I am sure there is *some* reason, but I don't think it has anything to do with UMass one way or the other..
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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
I would assume the MAC is getting rid of D3 schools to make itself more attractive to the BCS schools to place affiliate members in the MAC. Other than rare cases like John Hopkins to the B1G for field hockey, which a)they are a powerhouse and b)big time academic reasons, were behind that. BCS schools wouldn't want to be affiliated with D2 or D3 schools.
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(02-17-2014 04:04 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I would assume the MAC is getting rid of D3 schools to make itself more attractive to the BCS schools to place affiliate members in the MAC. Other than rare cases like John Hopkins to the B1G for field hockey, which a)they are a powerhouse and b)big time academic reasons, were behind that. BCS schools wouldn't want to be affiliated with D2 or D3 schools.

The MAC wasn't getting rid of "D3 schools", because Hartwick was the only one. This move was directed at them, specifically, with a general rule about D3s attached to try and justify it.

Aside from that, it didn't stop us from adding West Virginia in soccer, and might have even helped us add them, as they had the choice between the MAC and C-USA at the time. If Hartwick's divisional status was that big of a deal, they would have gone to C-USA with the SEC teams.

And I strongly doubt it would affect adding affiliates in other sports. In fact, the MAC also added Missouri in wrestling while Hartwick was in the MAC and no BCS affiliate has left during that time.
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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
Like the Sun Belt "didn't kick Denver out" but adopted a rule requiring members play 15 sports in the conference and Denver played 10.

There was a reason that kicked (I mean didn't kick) Denver out. The members didn't like traveling out there, they ended up sideways on a number of issues.

It is just as plausible Harwick's coach and/or AD were hard to work with and no one liked the trip anyway as it is that this is some secret sign about other expansion.
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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
Two questions:

1.) Who is Hartwick?

2.) What is soccer?

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(02-17-2014 06:44 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Two questions:

1.) Who is Hartwick?

2.) What is soccer?

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1) A well thought of liberal arts school in New York state.

2) the most popular sport in the world and one in which the University of Toledo has had considerable success. Also the only team sport in which the MAC has had a national champion in the last decade at least.
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(02-17-2014 08:32 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(02-17-2014 06:44 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Two questions:

1.) Who is Hartwick?

2.) What is soccer?

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1) A well thought of liberal arts school in New York state.

2) the most popular sport in the world and one in which the University of Toledo has had considerable success. Also the only team sport in which the MAC has had a national champion in the last decade at least.

The world? Pffft. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?
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(02-17-2014 08:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-17-2014 08:32 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(02-17-2014 06:44 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Two questions:

1.) Who is Hartwick?

2.) What is soccer?

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1) A well thought of liberal arts school in New York state.

2) the most popular sport in the world and one in which the University of Toledo has had considerable success. Also the only team sport in which the MAC has had a national champion in the last decade at least.

The world? Pffft. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?

I offered that up only in the spirit of the Olympics. Once they're over: forget those poofy foreigners and their stupid little "no-hands" game.
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(02-17-2014 06:44 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Two questions:

1.) Who is Hartwick?

2.) What is soccer?

04-cheers

With Soccer, it's that sport that's passing baseball, basketball, and football in the number of future college students registered on teams.
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(02-18-2014 12:18 PM)Slinkin Street Flash Wrote:  
(02-17-2014 06:44 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Two questions:

1.) Who is Hartwick?

2.) What is soccer?

04-cheers

With Soccer, it's that sport that's passing baseball, basketball, and football in the number of future college students registered on teams.

And I bet they all get trophies.
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RE: Why did the MAC kick out Harwick (men's soccer affiliate)
Today the average MLS team has a median season ticket holder of age of around 30.

That means as long as they don't drive them off most of their season ticket holders will be around another 30 or 40 years.

It's not about some everyone got a trophy playing as kid BS (BTW my kids got a trophy for showing up for football, basketball, baseball and swimming as well).

The people running soccer in the US have mostly embraced the supporter culture and now these young adults have a fun, affordable social activity. They get together to paint giant signs, they eat and drink beer and talk the team while learning new team chants and songs, and they march together into the stadium, stand the whole damn time singing, chanting, waving flags and scarves and beating on drums.

In other words, they do all the fun **** that will get you tossed from the stands at football, basketball and baseball.
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(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Today the average MLS team has a median season ticket holder of age of around 30.

That means as long as they don't drive them off most of their season ticket holders will be around another 30 or 40 years.

It's not about some everyone got a trophy playing as kid BS (BTW my kids got a trophy for showing up for football, basketball, baseball and swimming as well).

The people running soccer in the US have mostly embraced the supporter culture and now these young adults have a fun, affordable social activity. They get together to paint giant signs, they eat and drink beer and talk the team while learning new team chants and songs, and they march together into the stadium, stand the whole damn time singing, chanting, waving flags and scarves and beating on drums.

In other words, they do all the fun **** that will get you tossed from the stands at football, basketball and baseball.

And they can miss almost the entire game without worrying about missing any scoring.
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(02-16-2014 02:41 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Kicking out Hartwick actually makes me think UMass is next. Hartwick is located almost exactly between Buffalo and UMass, and would greatly help with travel costs in that sport as a "bridge" school. So maybe UMass won't be coming in for all sports and there was no need for a team like Hartwick, at least in that respect.
Damn. I was really looking forward to that great UB, Hartwick, and UMass three-way soccer rivalry 03-hissyfit :)
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Delaware just announced a $1.5 million gift to the soccer program for further renovation to their stadium. They have actually been building up facilities including an IPF a bit under the radar it would seem.

http://www.bluehens.com/ViewArticle.dbml...=209409998

http://www.bluehens.com/ViewArticle.dbml...=209247966
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(02-18-2014 04:09 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Today the average MLS team has a median season ticket holder of age of around 30.

That means as long as they don't drive them off most of their season ticket holders will be around another 30 or 40 years.

It's not about some everyone got a trophy playing as kid BS (BTW my kids got a trophy for showing up for football, basketball, baseball and swimming as well).

The people running soccer in the US have mostly embraced the supporter culture and now these young adults have a fun, affordable social activity. They get together to paint giant signs, they eat and drink beer and talk the team while learning new team chants and songs, and they march together into the stadium, stand the whole damn time singing, chanting, waving flags and scarves and beating on drums.

In other words, they do all the fun **** that will get you tossed from the stands at football, basketball and baseball.

And they can miss almost the entire game without worrying about missing any scoring.

You can get away with making a lot more noise at hockey than football, hoops and baseball; one of the reasons I like it.

It's not as if the "other" Chicago based pro sports have done much to keep fans watching; between the Cubs, Sox, Bears and Bulls there is 1 title and 2 championship appearances in the last 15 years. Can't recall what the Fire have done but the Hawks have 2 Stanley Cups and the Wolves 4 Cups.
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