One thing OSU's got going for it: there are a ton of skanks running around everywhere. In a slump? Drive over to that cesspool, wait five minutes, and some whore will inevitably just fall on your dick.

While I was typing that, I believe I saw Clemson score another touchdown. Ohio State: where it is laughably easy to score on AND off the field!

But seriously. That place is just a brothel with a mediocre football team. Nobody here is sad they didn't go there.

(02-15-2014 09:21 PM)CD11 Wrote:  One thing OSU's got going for it: there are a ton of skanks running around everywhere. In a slump? Drive over to that cesspool, wait five minutes, and some whore will inevitably just fall on your dick.

While I was typing that, I believe I saw Clemson score another touchdown. Ohio State: where it is laughably easy to score on AND off the field!

But seriously. That place is just a brothel with a mediocre football team. Nobody here is sad they didn't go there.

Awesome

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I think OSU not playing UC in basketball has been for two reasons:

1. The number of road games is limited for both schools (we each only get a couple non-conference ones a year). I'll grant this is not a reason for never playing, but UC was not going to agree to a one and done in Columbus anymore than Ohio State would have agreed to one in Cincinnati. Generally speaking, OSU has tried to use the road games to get into different recruiting grounds and playing another Ohio team doesn't really help there.

2. It legitimately does hurt Ohio State more to lose or even for a rivalry to exist at all. UC has been a lot better at basketball a number of years than Ohio State and I won't question that for a second. Ohio State though counts on having a presence throughout the state of Ohio and a rivalry with instate schools hurts in two ways:

a) Along as Ohio State vs. Cincinnati isn't a rivalry, it's easier to pick up recruits in the area who might have grown up UC fans.
b) It's easier to have people who might cheer for both schools (or at least cheer for Ohio State still in football if not basketball). I don't think this is as true with UC anymore (given how much football has grown), but it was a case for a long time and it still is a case with the other major Ohio basketball powers. Playing Dayton in the NIT a few years back, I saw more than one person with both Dayton and Ohio State gear on. I guarantee that if we played Dayton every year, I wouldn't keep seeing that and eventually that would cross into football with Dayton fans not willing to root for OSU in another sport either. I have similar experiences with Xavier fans I know in Columbus (most of whom root for OSU in football).

Edit: Ohio State actually followed an almost identical policy with Notre Dame for a long time. Woody Hays did not want Ohio Catholics to feel conflicted about rooting for the Buckeyes so Ohio State never scheduled Notre Dame for a long time.

(02-15-2014 10:26 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I think OSU not playing UC in basketball has been for two reasons:

1. The number of road games is limited for both schools (we each only get a couple non-conference ones a year). I'll grant this is not a reason for never playing, but UC was not going to agree to a one and done in Columbus anymore than Ohio State would have agreed to one in Cincinnati. Generally speaking, OSU has tried to use the road games to get into different recruiting grounds and playing another Ohio team doesn't really help there.

2. It legitimately does hurt Ohio State more to lose or even for a rivalry to exist at all. UC has been a lot better at basketball a number of years than Ohio State and I won't question that for a second. Ohio State though counts on having a presence throughout the state of Ohio and a rivalry with instate schools hurts in two ways:

a) Along as Ohio State vs. Cincinnati isn't a rivalry, it's easier to pick up recruits in the area who might have grown up UC fans.
b) It's easier to have people who might cheer for both schools (or at least cheer for Ohio State still in football if not basketball). I don't think this is as true with UC anymore (given how much football has grown), but it was a case for a long time and it still is a case with the other major Ohio basketball powers. Playing Dayton in the NIT a few years back, I saw more than one person with both Dayton and Ohio State gear on. I guarantee that if we played Dayton every year, I wouldn't keep seeing that and eventually that would cross into football with Dayton fans not willing to root for OSU in another sport either. I have similar experiences with Xavier fans I know in Columbus (most of whom root for OSU in football).

Edit: Ohio State actually followed an almost identical policy with Notre Dame for a long time. Woody Hays did not want Ohio Catholics to feel conflicted about rooting for the Buckeyes so Ohio State never scheduled Notre Dame for a long time.

I don't agree with point #1 at all. Scheduling conflicts might happen for a 1 or 2 year period. 20 straight years is pure avoidance.

Your argument in 2a slices both ways doesn't it? I get your point that there are some casual UC basketball fans that are also casual OSU football fans. I think the number of these people is diminishing since UC has become relevant in football. These people are typically your casual sports fans, period. They follow sports enough to chat with those that follow sports closely, and they cheer for the teams that are convenient to cheer for.

UC fans don't like OSU for a number of reasons. OSU has dodged UC in basketball for years, OSU has done everything in their power to keep UC out of a P5 conference, and OSU fans typically act as if their **** don't stink. The arrogant attitude of so many OSU fans has not only pissed off a lot of UC fans, but it's the reputation of OSU fans across the nation.

OSU's former president Gordon Gee says:

“You know Penn State just abhors Pitt. It would be the same way. Even though we love Cincinnati as a city, we want it to be an Ohio State city. They’d have to take (athletic director) Gene (Smith) out and shoot him to let Cincinnati into the Big Ten. There are some things that we just would not to. And that’s the way that Penn State also feels about Pitt.”

“It was really hand-to-hand combat,” Gee said. “There were times when the University of Cincinnati would want something and I would try my hardest to make sure they didn’t get it, even if I wasn’t going to get it either. It was not one of my greater moments as a university president."

And tOSU fans can't figure out why Cincinnati does not love the Buckeyes..

(02-15-2014 07:17 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  I don't understand that at all.

You've demonstrated your lack of critical reasoning and common sense multiple times in this thread.

Quote: Ohio has one flagship university

No it doesn't. The state has one traditional land grant university with the majority of political clout in the state that is living off an unearned academic reputation and ranking.

Something not making any sense does not mean I don't have critical reasoning, it means it doesn't make any sense.

"Unearned academic reputation and ranking" ? According to whom?

Please look up any definition or list of state flagship universities. The only description that doesn't fit Ohio State that I saw was "typically was the first founded in the state." That would be OU, who, for what it's worth, was on one list.

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

(02-15-2014 10:35 AM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:55 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:05 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  You guys don't seem to realize that OSU is ranked as a better school than UC for the vast majority of things, and is harder to get into, do you?

When I went to UC - osu was not harder to get into. I was accepted to both and choose UC for a number of reasons.

I do not fault anyone for choosing osu. However, I find the constant negativity towards UC from osu supporters pretty lame. UC has great academics/research and are now coming into their own on the athletic side of things. All of which was mainly accomplished on our own merits, without the help of the state government or majority of the state.

I am from Cincinnati and go to Ohio State and have seen a lot more negativity towards OSU from UC than the other way around. Most OSU fans are largely indifferent towards UC. Personally, I like to see UC do well. My dad went to UC and my girlfriend is a currently a nursing student as well.
I'm confused about your assertion that a public university did not get help from the state government though, could you clarify that?

I've experienced unsolicited negativity from osu fans in bars to boardrooms. I've attended college football games, probably longer than you have been alice, and osu is one of the worst for opposing fans. Merely clapping my hands and cheering for UC invoked a threat that I would receive an a@@ kicking if I ever tried it again. Back in 2009, one of the osu message boards had a season long running thread on UC's season and weekly predictions why UC would lose. The more success UC accomplishes, seems the more hate I see from the institution up north.

I never said UC did not completely receive state funding. UC receives a meager amount. The last I checked, which was a year or two ago, UC was receiving about 20% their budget from the state. The state was looking to decrease this amount. Miami U has faced the same issues. Most of what I am referring to though has been on the research side. osu receives an inordinate amount of research support and funding from the state. UC hashad to earn its top 25/30 ranking based on its own.

Frankly, I am fine with the resistance. MSU faced the same for a long time with Michigan. Makes me wonder if UC was on equal footing where the University could go.

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

Ben - osu has some good programs. UC does as well. I think what you are not understanding is many on here are sick of hearing UC is inferior, when the facts do not support that old and tired narrative. UC is a great academic institution.

I'm not sure why you injected bball into the conversation. However, Geiger went on the record and stated they would not schedule UC in thee 90's, since UC was better. Geiger's words not mine or any other UC fan. The osu admin back in the late 60's and 70's indicated one of many reasons not to schedule a series was how competitive UC was on the hardwood. osu admin's/boosters comments not mine.

I understand you wanting to stick up for your institution. However, you will face resistance just as UC fans do on Scout Board, Buckeye Planet, or Eleven Warriors.

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

I think you are missing the point. UC was fine with scheduling OSU good or bad. And that includes Football

Neither team met after OSU LOST three straight times to UC. The last two being in NCAA championship games.

And suddenly OSU is willing to play again in 2006 when we have a coaching change and a grand total of ONE D1 player on on our roster.

There are a lot of great things about OSU sports. Clearly one of the most storied athletic programs in the nation.

The downside is the OSU is also without question the most gutless. And this extends far beyond ducking UC in everything.

Look the last game OSU played here in FB, you were one dropped pass away from blowing your NC year.

And after that you PAID TO GET OUT OF EVER COMING HERE AGAIN.

Again great program, huge national sports prestige - no balls whatsover.

And in football this is a key reason you guys are really just at the top of the pack of schools carefully making sure they don't take any chances of getting a loss while you wait to figure out which SEC school gets to eat your lunch in a bowl game.

(02-16-2014 12:58 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 10:35 AM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:55 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 05:05 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  You guys don't seem to realize that OSU is ranked as a better school than UC for the vast majority of things, and is harder to get into, do you?

When I went to UC - osu was not harder to get into. I was accepted to both and choose UC for a number of reasons.

I do not fault anyone for choosing osu. However, I find the constant negativity towards UC from osu supporters pretty lame. UC has great academics/research and are now coming into their own on the athletic side of things. All of which was mainly accomplished on our own merits, without the help of the state government or majority of the state.

I am from Cincinnati and go to Ohio State and have seen a lot more negativity towards OSU from UC than the other way around. Most OSU fans are largely indifferent towards UC. Personally, I like to see UC do well. My dad went to UC and my girlfriend is a currently a nursing student as well.
I'm confused about your assertion that a public university did not get help from the state government though, could you clarify that?

I've experienced unsolicited negativity from osu fans in bars to boardrooms. I've attended college football games, probably longer than you have been alice, and osu is one of the worst for opposing fans. Merely clapping my hands and cheering for UC invoked a threat that I would receive an a@@ kicking if I ever tried it again. Back in 2009, one of the osu message boards had a season long running thread on UC's season and weekly predictions why UC would lose. The more success UC accomplishes, seems the more hate I see from the institution up north.

I never said UC did not completely receive state funding. UC receives a meager amount. The last I checked, which was a year or two ago, UC was receiving about 20% their budget from the state. The state was looking to decrease this amount. Miami U has faced the same issues. Most of what I am referring to though has been on the research side. osu receives an inordinate amount of research support and funding from the state. UC hashad to earn its top 25/30 ranking based on its own.

Frankly, I am fine with the resistance. MSU faced the same for a long time with Michigan. Makes me wonder if UC was on equal footing where the University could go.

First with the funding point: this link says that state $ was about 12% of OSU's revenue. Unless that has had a dramatic uptick recently, that's less than the 20% you quoted.
I've seen people draw a correlation to MSU a couple times. It doesn't really fit for a couple reasons. MSU is bigger than Michigan, it's centrally located, has a land grant, and is better academically than UC.
I believe that you've been treated poorly by OSU fans (although the "longer than you've been alive" crack doesn't mean much unless you went to that 1931 game). I've been treated poorly by UC fans. Most opposing fan bases are not welcomed in the Shoe, I don't believe that that was specific to you cheering for UC.

(02-16-2014 01:04 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

Ben - osu has some good programs. UC does as well. I think what you are not understanding is many on here are sick of hearing UC is inferior, when the facts do not support that old and tired narrative. UC is a great academic institution.

I'm not sure why you injected bball into the conversation. However, Geiger went on the record and stated they would not schedule UC in thee 90's, since UC was better. Geiger's words not mine or any other UC fan. The osu admin back in the late 60's and 70's indicated one of many reasons not to schedule a series was how competitive UC was on the hardwood. osu admin's/boosters comments not mine.

I understand you wanting to stick up for your institution. However, you will face resistance just as UC fans do on Scout Board, Buckeye Planet, or Eleven Warriors.

UC can be great and OSU can still be better. The two statements are not mutually exclusive. Look at the USNews rankings side by side: OSU and UC . Without paying for a membership, I see a couple programs that are better at UC. CCM and DAAP are great. The engineering co-op program is great, but OSU is just better overall.

I didn't inject bball, I think it was Bearcats#1 on the basis that it would have been a great rivalry. I'm not disputing that OSU would not want to use a non-con game on an in-state team they would probably lose to. I did dispute that that would make a great rivalry, but who knows. What would OSU gain by losing to UC? OSU wants the whole state to root for OSU. Creating in-state rivalries hurts that.

(02-16-2014 03:28 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

I think you are missing the point. UC was fine with scheduling OSU good or bad. And that includes Football

Neither team met after OSU LOST three straight times to UC. The last two being in NCAA championship games.

And suddenly OSU is willing to play again in 2006 when we have a coaching change and a grand total of ONE D1 player on on our roster.

There are a lot of great things about OSU sports. Clearly one of the most storied athletic programs in the nation.

The downside is the OSU is also without question the most gutless. And this extends far beyond ducking UC in everything.

Look the last game OSU played here in FB, you were one dropped pass away from blowing your NC year.

And after that you PAID TO GET OUT OF EVER COMING HERE AGAIN.

Again great program, huge national sports prestige - no balls whatsover.

And in football this is a key reason you guys are really just at the top of the pack of schools carefully making sure they don't take any chances of getting a loss while you wait to figure out which SEC and ACC schools gets to eat your lunch in a bowl game.

FIFY

(02-16-2014 03:28 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 04:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Depends on your school of thought. Would you rather have one big great school or two semi big great schools? Just people being afraid to make a difference

I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

I think you are missing the point. UC was fine with scheduling OSU good or bad. And that includes Football
Neither team met after OSU LOST three straight times to UC. The last two being in NCAA championship games.
And suddenly OSU is willing to play again in 2006 when we have a coaching change and a grand total of ONE D1 player on on our roster.
There are a lot of great things about OSU sports. Clearly one of the most storied athletic programs in the nation.
The downside is the OSU is also without question the most gutless. And this extends far beyond ducking UC in everything.
Look the last game OSU played here in FB, you were one dropped pass away from blowing your NC year.
And after that you PAID TO GET OUT OF EVER COMING HERE AGAIN.
Again great program, huge national sports prestige - no balls whatsover.

And in football this is a key reason you guys are really just at the top of the pack of schools carefully making sure they don't take any chances of getting a loss while you wait to figure out which SEC school gets to eat your lunch in a bowl game.

You made some good points. In the BCS system, you have to be wary of losing games because one loss usually means you are out of the title picture. I read that UC was the school that reached out to play OSU in 2006. We paid to move that game from Paul Brown Stadium, not from Nippert, and it was for money.
And UC fans are really going to talk crap about getting whooped on by Florida in a BCS bowl game?

This is slightly off topic, but related in a way. Lance McAlister did a poll on his blog a few months ago on which was your favorite college team. UC was highest, but Kentucky was above Ohio State. Can anyone explain this? (or direct me to somewhere where this discussion has already taken place?) The two schools are almost equidistant from Cincinnati and are known for obnoxious fans. Maybe because Cincinnati has the Bengals but no basketball team, so the better basketball program wins out?

(02-16-2014 05:00 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:28 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

I think you are missing the point. UC was fine with scheduling OSU good or bad. And that includes Football
Neither team met after OSU LOST three straight times to UC. The last two being in NCAA championship games.
And suddenly OSU is willing to play again in 2006 when we have a coaching change and a grand total of ONE D1 player on on our roster.
There are a lot of great things about OSU sports. Clearly one of the most storied athletic programs in the nation.
The downside is the OSU is also without question the most gutless. And this extends far beyond ducking UC in everything.
Look the last game OSU played here in FB, you were one dropped pass away from blowing your NC year.
And after that you PAID TO GET OUT OF EVER COMING HERE AGAIN.
Again great program, huge national sports prestige - no balls whatsover.

And in football this is a key reason you guys are really just at the top of the pack of schools carefully making sure they don't take any chances of getting a loss while you wait to figure out which SEC school gets to eat your lunch in a bowl game.

You made some good points. In the BCS system, you have to be wary of losing games because one loss usually means you are out of the title picture. I read that UC was the school that reached out to play OSU in 2006. We paid to move that game from Paul Brown Stadium, not from Nippert, and it was for money.
And UC fans are really going to talk crap about getting whooped on by Florida in a BCS bowl game?

UC got whooped by Florida no worse than tOSU go whooped by Florida.

(02-16-2014 05:00 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:28 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:29 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 09:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:31 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  I don't understand that at all. Ohio has one flagship university and many smaller, state universities. The more students a school has, it makes sense that they would have more expenses and thus more funding makes sense. That's why I showed the funding in the from that I did. Judging by the funding, it appears that the state government is investing most in OSU and UC, followed by Toledo.

"Afraid to make a difference" really doesn't make sense. People "make a difference" at schools of all sizes.

you corrected little

as far as UC and o$u not being rivals...correct. However mostly that is o$u's fault. We could have have a great basketball rivalry over the years but your continually ducking of UC, esp the Bob Huggins teams was laughable and sad. The one time you play us, you have a final four team and we have a team of rejects after the Huggins fiasco...so the lack of rivalry, at least in hoops has had to do with one of the programs being scared. And don't deny that, your AD at the time Huggins was here was on record as to saying o$u wasn't "ready to play UC" at that time...ie your were gutless. And don't say it wouldn't have gained you anything either because for many of the Huggins years we were top 15 and you guys sucked so you would have had a chance to play the premier basketball program in the state at that time and a nationally ranked team...but again, as your AD said, you weren't 'ready' for that game. Gutless cowards...scared to play UC for years and then finally do it when you are loaded and we have nothing. That's why your school as ZERO class.

At least we get to watch you get clobbered vs the SEC in your annual bowl blowout loss....that's always fun

I attempted to correct the talk of OSU being inferior academically. Apparently it didn't work.

Your talk of UC and OSU playing in basketball doesn't really make sense. If OSU is gutless for playing UC when OSU was good and UC was bad, how is that any different than what would have happened during the 90s, when UC was good and OSU was bad? I don't see how being beaten by UC would have helped OSU at all. Just like UC being beaten by OSU in 2006 didn't help UC.

I think you are missing the point. UC was fine with scheduling OSU good or bad. And that includes Football
Neither team met after OSU LOST three straight times to UC. The last two being in NCAA championship games.
And suddenly OSU is willing to play again in 2006 when we have a coaching change and a grand total of ONE D1 player on on our roster.
There are a lot of great things about OSU sports. Clearly one of the most storied athletic programs in the nation.
The downside is the OSU is also without question the most gutless. And this extends far beyond ducking UC in everything.
Look the last game OSU played here in FB, you were one dropped pass away from blowing your NC year.
And after that you PAID TO GET OUT OF EVER COMING HERE AGAIN.
Again great program, huge national sports prestige - no balls whatsover.

And in football this is a key reason you guys are really just at the top of the pack of schools carefully making sure they don't take any chances of getting a loss while you wait to figure out which SEC school gets to eat your lunch in a bowl game.

You made some good points. In the BCS system, you have to be wary of losing games because one loss usually means you are out of the title picture. I read that UC was the school that reached out to play OSU in 2006. We paid to move that game from Paul Brown Stadium, not from Nippert, and it was for money.
And UC fans are really going to talk crap about getting whooped on by Florida in a BCS bowl game?

OSU lost to Florida by the exact same margin that UC did. UC has 2 more games with OSU and the contact associated with this was done a long time ago, well before 2006. The game next season at OSU, was originally scheduled for 2012, was moved by OSU from Cincy to OSU because
the contract allowed for OSU to exercise that option. The money aspect was way down on the totem pole. OSU did not want to play UC in Cincinnati again.

The OSU fans that argue that they paid a mil to move the game to Columbus because of money are full of it. Then why schedule the game in Cincy in the first place? You played Toledo at the Browns stadium. Your stadium is so much bigger than the Browns why didn't you pay to move that one?

Bottom line is they scheduled the game to make in roads in Cincy for recruiting. Then UC had a couple breakout years in football and the possibility of losing in Cincy started to become real. The idea of scheduling in Cincy for recruiting and potentially losing would have been damaging so they bitched out, paid $1 million and got the game back in Columbus. Then the spin police came out and said it was a financial move. Ok, sure Buckeyes. Another reason we don't like OSU.

(02-16-2014 05:06 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  This is slightly off topic, but related in a way. Lance McAlister did a poll on his blog a few months ago on which was your favorite college team. UC was highest, but Kentucky was above Ohio State. Can anyone explain this? (or direct me to somewhere where this discussion has already taken place?) The two schools are almost equidistant from Cincinnati and are known for obnoxious fans. Maybe because Cincinnati has the Bengals but no basketball team, so the better basketball program wins out?

Wait, someone who goes that fine academic institution in Columbus can't figure this out?