(02-14-2014 11:38 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  From afar, that appears to be a huge over simplification.

16 tournament appearances in 24 seasons as a head coach.............

That's great if you're a school like St. Joe's, LaSalle, BC, GW, Clemson, ASU, Texas Tech, etc. but we didn't build a state-of-the-art practice facility and put $2M to update our arena to go one and done every year.

On one hand, the 7th longest current NCAA Tournament streak is cool, but we have by far the longest Sweet Sixteen drought of the 15 members of the 30+ NCAA Tournament appearances club. That is unacceptable.

(02-15-2014 12:25 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:38 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  From afar, that appears to be a huge over simplification.

16 tournament appearances in 24 seasons as a head coach.............

That's great if you're a school like St. Joe's, LaSalle, BC, GW, Clemson, ASU, Texas Tech, etc. but we didn't build a state-of-the-art practice facility and put $2M to update our arena to go one and done every year.

On one hand, the 7th longest current NCAA Tournament streak is cool, but we have by far the longest Sweet Sixteen drought of the 15 members of the 30+ NCAA Tournament appearances club. That is unacceptable.

You're not alone, we've got fans just like that in Memphis also.

OK, I am just adding my opinion and observations as a season ticket holder for a number of seasons. I’m warning you this is a long one, but I do need to vent.

This seasons train wreck has happened for a number of reasons, only 1 senior on the roster, losing 5 major contributors from last year due to graduation, going into the season with a thin young roster which was only made worse by a player choosing to leave the team days before the start of the season, injuries, and a step up in conference competition.

All that being said I would be much more comfortable being ok with what I see this season except for a few major issues.

I like coach Dunphy from and X’s and O’s standpoint a lot, he’s a class act, excellent representative of the university and as a teacher and coach he is one of the best in the business as evidence by his peers voting him the most underrated coach in the country last season.

This is only my opinion, but I feel his honesty and integrity are a fault when it comes to recruiting. He promises nothing to the recruits other than they will be given the opportunity to work hard and compete for playing time on a program that is ranked 6th in all time wins. He’s not flashy, he is honest and a solid “meat and potatoes” kind of guy. At his age I don’t think he’s comfortable with cowing down and kissing the ass of some 17 year old kid and making they feel like they will walk on water and the program will be theirs as starters from the first day of practice. Especially when he knows it’s most likely not true.

I don’t think his coaching style and philosophy lends itself to the top 100 recruit. He recruits kids that are academically a good fit for the university and he stresses the importance of education and graduation. I don’t think he is even comfortable talking to a kid that’s labeled a “one and done”. His coach Norman Dale from the movie “Hoosiers” style with his set offence, 5 passes before we shoot, hardnosed man to man defense and rebounding first, and its all about the team message is one the new generation of players don’t respect or want to hear. The college game is evolving to mirror the pro game with the fast break, quick 3 point jump shot, ESPN highlight dunk mentality and that’s what the top young players want. Defense isn't sexy, defense doesn't make the highlights.

Dunphy has made a career out of taking the tough as nails kid with solid fundamental skills but lacked the flash and polish that was under recruited and then coach them into a solid D1 player. You can get away with that in a conference like the A10 playing against the Xaivers, LaSalles, and Daytons of the world, it’s tough to compete with teams like UConn, Memphis, and Cincy night after night with that kind of roster. Temple fans will tell you about the long line of players who Dunphy got the most out of who played with a chip on the shoulder, a chip of toughness who won games on sheer will. What concerns me in the crop of kids I see on this roster, with the exception of maybe Josh Brown the freshmen, and maybe a little bit in Mark Williams another freshman, these kids are soft, they settle for way too many 3’s instead of driving hard to the basket. They don’t play shut down defense and they give up way too many offensive rebounds and put back points during crunch time. They don’t play with that grind it out down and dirty street fight attitude, they play pretty ball, they don’t play with that chip.

In a perfect world I would love to see Dunphy add a good young assistant, with a good basketball mind that can recruit. Mold him for 2 or 3 more seasons and then retire and let him slide into the HC job and the program not miss a beat. I just don’t see that assistant on the staff currently.

This is the first time in a long time that I am concerned about the future of Temple basketball.

Once again I apologize for the long response, but hey you asked the question.

(02-15-2014 01:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  OK, I am just adding my opinion and observations as a season ticket holder for a number of seasons. I’m warning you this is a long one, but I do need to vent.

This seasons train wreck has happened for a number of reasons, only 1 senior on the roster, losing 5 major contributors from last year due to graduation, going into the season with a thin young roster which was only made worse by a player choosing to leave the team days before the start of the season, injuries, and a step up in conference competition.

All that being said I would be much more comfortable being ok with what I see this season except for a few major issues.

I like coach Dunphy from and X’s and O’s standpoint a lot, he’s a class act, excellent representative of the university and as a teacher and coach he is one of the best in the business as evidence by his peers voting him the most underrated coach in the country last season.

This is only my opinion, but I feel his honesty and integrity are a fault when it comes to recruiting. He promises nothing to the recruits other than they will be given the opportunity to work hard and compete for playing time on a program that is ranked 6th in all time wins. He’s not flashy, he is honest and a solid “meat and potatoes” kind of guy. At his age I don’t think he’s comfortable with cowing down and kissing the ass of some 17 year old kid and making they feel like they will walk on water and the program will be theirs as starters from the first day of practice. Especially when he knows it’s most likely not true.

I don’t think his coaching style and philosophy lends itself to the top 100 recruit. He recruits kids that are academically a good fit for the university and he stresses the importance of education and graduation. I don’t think he is even comfortable talking to a kid that’s labeled a “one and done”. His coach Norman Dale from the movie “Hoosiers” style with his set offence, 5 passes before we shoot, hardnosed man to man defense and rebounding first, and its all about the team message is one the new generation of players don’t respect or want to hear. The college game is evolving to mirror the pro game with the fast break, quick 3 point jump shot, ESPN highlight dunk mentality and that’s what the top young players want. Defense isn't sexy, defense doesn't make the highlights.

Dunphy has made a career out of taking the tough as nails kid with solid fundamental skills but lacked the flash and polish that was under recruited and then coach them into a solid D1 player. You can get away with that in a conference like the A10 playing against the Xaivers, LaSalles, and Daytons of the world, it’s tough to compete with teams like UConn, Memphis, and Cincy night after night with that kind of roster. Temple fans will tell you about the long line of players who Dunphy got the most out of who played with a chip on the shoulder, a chip of toughness who won games on sheer will. What concerns me in the crop of kids I see on this roster, with the exception of maybe Josh Brown the freshmen, and maybe a little bit in Mark Williams another freshman, these kids are soft, they settle for way too many 3’s instead of driving hard to the basket. They don’t play shut down defense and they give up way too many offensive rebounds and put back points during crunch time. They don’t play with that grind it out down and dirty street fight attitude, they play pretty ball, they don’t play with that chip.

In a perfect world I would love to see Dunphy add a good young assistant, with a good basketball mind that can recruit. Mold him for 2 or 3 more seasons and then retire and let him slide into the HC job and the program not miss a beat. I just don’t see that assistant on the staff currently.

This is the first time in a long time that I am concerned about the future of Temple basketball.

Once again I apologize for the long response, but hey you asked the question.

great post...agree 100% with everything said.

Dunph isn't going anywhere until he decides to retire. he is under contract until the end of the 2017-2018 season, at which point he will be 70 years old, so he will be around for at least 4 more seasons.

(02-15-2014 01:32 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  OK, I am just adding my opinion and observations as a season ticket holder for a number of seasons. I’m warning you this is a long one, but I do need to vent.

This seasons train wreck has happened for a number of reasons, only 1 senior on the roster, losing 5 major contributors from last year due to graduation, going into the season with a thin young roster which was only made worse by a player choosing to leave the team days before the start of the season, injuries, and a step up in conference competition.

All that being said I would be much more comfortable being ok with what I see this season except for a few major issues.

I like coach Dunphy from and X’s and O’s standpoint a lot, he’s a class act, excellent representative of the university and as a teacher and coach he is one of the best in the business as evidence by his peers voting him the most underrated coach in the country last season.

This is only my opinion, but I feel his honesty and integrity are a fault when it comes to recruiting. He promises nothing to the recruits other than they will be given the opportunity to work hard and compete for playing time on a program that is ranked 6th in all time wins. He’s not flashy, he is honest and a solid “meat and potatoes” kind of guy. At his age I don’t think he’s comfortable with cowing down and kissing the ass of some 17 year old kid and making they feel like they will walk on water and the program will be theirs as starters from the first day of practice. Especially when he knows it’s most likely not true.

I don’t think his coaching style and philosophy lends itself to the top 100 recruit. He recruits kids that are academically a good fit for the university and he stresses the importance of education and graduation. I don’t think he is even comfortable talking to a kid that’s labeled a “one and done”. His coach Norman Dale from the movie “Hoosiers” style with his set offence, 5 passes before we shoot, hardnosed man to man defense and rebounding first, and its all about the team message is one the new generation of players don’t respect or want to hear. The college game is evolving to mirror the pro game with the fast break, quick 3 point jump shot, ESPN highlight dunk mentality and that’s what the top young players want. Defense isn't sexy, defense doesn't make the highlights.

Dunphy has made a career out of taking the tough as nails kid with solid fundamental skills but lacked the flash and polish that was under recruited and then coach them into a solid D1 player. You can get away with that in a conference like the A10 playing against the Xaivers, LaSalles, and Daytons of the world, it’s tough to compete with teams like UConn, Memphis, and Cincy night after night with that kind of roster. Temple fans will tell you about the long line of players who Dunphy got the most out of who played with a chip on the shoulder, a chip of toughness who won games on sheer will. What concerns me in the crop of kids I see on this roster, with the exception of maybe Josh Brown the freshmen, and maybe a little bit in Mark Williams another freshman, these kids are soft, they settle for way too many 3’s instead of driving hard to the basket. They don’t play shut down defense and they give up way too many offensive rebounds and put back points during crunch time. They don’t play with that grind it out down and dirty street fight attitude, they play pretty ball, they don’t play with that chip.

In a perfect world I would love to see Dunphy add a good young assistant, with a good basketball mind that can recruit. Mold him for 2 or 3 more seasons and then retire and let him slide into the HC job and the program not miss a beat. I just don’t see that assistant on the staff currently.

This is the first time in a long time that I am concerned about the future of Temple basketball.

Once again I apologize for the long response, but hey you asked the question.

Very thorough, good analysis.

(02-15-2014 02:18 PM)nightoftheowls Wrote:  Dunph isn't going anywhere until he decides to retire. he is under contract until the end of the 2017-2018 season, at which point he will be 70 years old, so he will be around for at least 4 more seasons.

The University and BoT can buy him out whenever they choose.

(02-15-2014 06:30 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 02:18 PM)nightoftheowls Wrote:  Dunph isn't going anywhere until he decides to retire. he is under contract until the end of the 2017-2018 season, at which point he will be 70 years old, so he will be around for at least 4 more seasons.

The University and BoT can buy him out whenever they choose.

are you kidding?...where are they gonna get the money for that? how is the administration gonna justify that when they just cut 7 sports?

besides, they would never fire him and buy him out anyway given his track record and longevity in the big 5.

best case scenario, as another poster already mentioned...bring in a young asst. coach now (similar to SMU's "coach in waiting", but without the ridiculous salary), groom him and let him make recruiting connections...then when Dunph retires in a few years, he can take the reigns.

(02-14-2014 07:34 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  He refuses to recruit out of the region other than Florida.

Texas- 2
SC- 1
MI- 3
OH- 1
GA- 2

Maybe I am not understanding this, but you say he doesn't recruit out of the region, and 9 of the 13 players seems to be out of the region?

(02-15-2014 08:54 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 07:34 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  He refuses to recruit out of the region other than Florida.

Texas- 2
SC- 1
MI- 3
OH- 1
GA- 2

Maybe I am not understanding this, but you say he doesn't recruit out of the region, and 9 of the 13 players seems to be out of the region?

That is in six recruiting classes.

Commits since 2009:

NJ: 5
PA: 3
FL: 2
MD: 2
NY: 1
Israel: 1

1 from NJ never made it to campus. 1 from NJ transferred to Southern Miss after his sophomore year. Player from Israel left after his freshman year.

(02-15-2014 08:23 PM)nightoftheowls Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:30 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 02:18 PM)nightoftheowls Wrote:  Dunph isn't going anywhere until he decides to retire. he is under contract until the end of the 2017-2018 season, at which point he will be 70 years old, so he will be around for at least 4 more seasons.

The University and BoT can buy him out whenever they choose.

are you kidding?...where are they gonna get the money for that? how is the administration gonna justify that when they just cut 7 sports?

besides, they would never fire him and buy him out anyway given his track record and longevity in the big 5.

best case scenario, as another poster already mentioned...bring in a young asst. coach now (similar to SMU's "coach in waiting", but without the ridiculous salary), groom him and let him make recruiting connections...then when Dunph retires in a few years, he can take the reigns.

There's only one thing wrong with that, you're not going to be able to hold onto a good coordinator who seems to have the chops to be a Head Coach, and that's where that salary comes into play.