I feel sorry for Cleveland Brown fans...what a jerk owner!

Not stated in the article is the fact that OU's hotshot run/pass dual threat QB finally came thru...in the Sugar Bowl and the Sooners are now loaded to contend for national honors for the next three years. Stoops has a very good situation at OU and I think he is now making $5/M a year.

http://newsok.com/bob-stoops-was-smart-t...le/3932633

The Browns have been is sad shape since Paul Brown left Cleveland to start up the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals haven't been run efficiently since Brown's death.

So we now know the truth about Tallgrass... he is an OU fan, not a Tulsa fan. That is why he trolls Tulsa.

As a fanatical fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers, I must admit that I often thank my lucky stars for the Cleveland Browns and their management style. They are a gift that keeps on giving.

Really, the Ravens are the only other team in our division that is run well. The other two have no earthly idea what the hell they are doing. Sure, every once in a while they have a good year or two here and there but for the most part they have no clue and can be relied upon to make bizarre decisions that ensure their place in the pecking order.

I have no clue what the hell Cleveland is doing now; and, I suspect, neither do they.

Let's be honest... the Bengals were run terribly for a very long time after Paul Brown died. They are much better run now, and they have a lot of depth. I'm not Mike Brown fan, but they certainly are not the Bengals of the 1990's and early 2000's.

Here's the biggest problem for the Browns - constant changes to the organization since they returned to Cleveland in 1999. It creates no continuity in the management philosophy, personnel decisions, draft strategy, offense/defense style of play (west coast vs. vertical passing vs. run oriented or 4-3 vs. 3-4), etc. Consider the following:

Owners:
1999-2001 Al Lerner
2002-2011 Randy Lerner
2012-??? Jimmy Haslam

General Managers:
1999-2001 Dwight Clark
2002-2004 Butch Davis
2005-2008 Phil Savage
2009 George Kokinis/Eric Mangini
2010-2012 Tom Heckert
2013-2014 Michael Lombardi
2014-??? Ray Farmer

Head Coaches:
1999-2000 Chris Palmer
2001-2004 Butch Davis
2005-2008 Romeo Crennel
2009-2010 Eric Mangini
2011-2012 Pat Shurmur
2013 Rob Chudzinski
2014-??? Mike Pettine

Changes to the CEO/President that also occurred over these years include Carmen Policy, John Collins, Randy Lerner, Mike Holmgren and Joe Banner. Can you imagine trying to build success in any organization with constant management changes like these? As a long suffering but loyal Browns fan it pains me to say that franchises like Pittsburgh and Baltimore (throw in New England) have it right with strong and consistent ownership and management groups with high football IQs.

I agree mlb that the Bengals have certainly turned the page in how they run and operate and I can only dream and wait patiently for Cleveland to do the same.....

(02-12-2014 05:59 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Here's the biggest problem for the Browns - constant changes to the organization since they returned to Cleveland in 1999. It creates no continuity in the management philosophy, personnel decisions, draft strategy, offense/defense style of play (west coast vs. vertical passing vs. run oriented or 4-3 vs. 3-4), etc. Consider the following:

Owners:
1999-2001 Al Lerner
2002-2011 Randy Lerner
2012-??? Jimmy Haslam

General Managers:
1999-2001 Dwight Clark
2002-2004 Butch Davis
2005-2008 Phil Savage
2009 George Kokinis/Eric Mangini
2010-2012 Tom Heckert
2013-2014 Michael Lombardi
2014-??? Ray Farmer

Head Coaches:
1999-2000 Chris Palmer
2001-2004 Butch Davis
2005-2008 Romeo Crennel
2009-2010 Eric Mangini
2011-2012 Pat Shurmur
2013 Rob Chudzinski
2014-??? Mike Pettine

Changes to the CEO/President that also occurred over these years include Carmen Policy, John Collins, Randy Lerner, Mike Holmgren and Joe Banner. Can you imagine trying to build success in any organization with constant management changes like these? As a long suffering but loyal Browns fan it pains me to say that franchises like Pittsburgh and Baltimore (throw in New England) have it right with strong and consistent ownership and management groups with high football IQs.

I agree mlb that the Bengals have certainly turned the page in how they run and operate and I can only dream and wait patiently for Cleveland to do the same.....

Wow that is bad. Cleveland deserves better. Regarding The Steelers.....
they have taken cheap shots on Palmer in a playoff game, Ward broke Keith Rivers Jaw, and some punk Steeler broke our punters Jaw this season.
That franchise was the ultimate steriod experiment in the 70's and 80's which is so many former Steelers from that era died very young.

The crazy thing is the Browns actually have some pretty good talent on their roster...what other team would have 5 players named to the NFL All Pro Team and a 6th named to the Pro Bowl.

For the Browns sake they need to draft a QB Whether it's Bridgewater, Bortles or Manziel and Haslam needs to give Farmer and Pettine 3 full years just for stability.

(02-12-2014 07:42 PM)Maize Wrote:  For the Browns sake they need to draft a QB Whether it's Bridgewater, Bortles or Manziel and Haslam needs to give Farmer and Pettine 3 full years just for stability.

Agree on all fronts.

(02-12-2014 07:18 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Wow that is bad. Cleveland deserves better. Regarding The Steelers.....
they have taken cheap shots on Palmer in a playoff game, Ward broke Keith Rivers Jaw, and some punk Steeler broke our punters Jaw this season.
That franchise was the ultimate steriod experiment in the 70's and 80's which is so many former Steelers from that era died very young.

You don't have to tell me SuperFly about some of the cheap shots given to Browns players in recent years from the likes of Hines Ward and James Harrison.

Have to admit when the Browns and Steelers were a "true rivalry" back in the 70's and 80's I would have loved to have had Mel Blount and Jack Lambert on my team - those dudes could intimidate and lay down a hit.

(02-12-2014 02:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  So we now know the truth about Tallgrass... he is an OU fan, not a Tulsa fan. That is why he trolls Tulsa.

So posting that artice makes him an OU fan and a Tulsa troll? If you notice, Tallgrass will likely initiate a thread on any subject.

I know all about Tallgrass....He is from Oklahoma. Tallgrass is a reference to a small region of Oklahoma just outside of Tulsa, where the grass grows very tall. People in Oklahoma call it Tallgrass country.

He is first and foremost a die hard TU fan. He is misunderstood by many TU fans. Being a native Okie, like myself, he supports all of the teams in Oklahoma...but he is definitely a die hard TU fan first.

(02-12-2014 02:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  So we now know the truth about Tallgrass... he is an OU fan, not a Tulsa fan. That is why he trolls Tulsa.

Hmmmmm......really? I think Cincinnati fans as yourself are not in a position to judge who is and who is not of good moral character on this board. See link.

CINCINNATI WANTS OUT OF THE AMERICAN

Yes, for Cincinnati the AAC is a step back. For Tulsa, it is a huge step up. No question. Of course UC wants back into the power club.

I think this thread has run its course. It no longer has any connection to the OP. IMO it's time to end it.

(02-12-2014 03:13 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As a fanatical fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers, I must admit that I often thank my lucky stars for the Cleveland Browns and their management style. They are a gift that keeps on giving.

Really, the Ravens are the only other team in our division that is run well. The other two have no earthly idea what the hell they are doing. Sure, every once in a while they have a good year or two here and there but for the most part they have no clue and can be relied upon to make bizarre decisions that ensure their place in the pecking order.

I have no clue what the hell Cleveland is doing now; and, I suspect, neither do they.

Thanks, Doc. As a Ravens ticket holder, I am amazed at the negative feeling in town after an 8-8 season. That following 5 PO appearances topped off by a championship. Our fans are spoiled and should be sentenced to spend a few years in Ohio (either end).

(02-13-2014 11:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  Yes, for Cincinnati the AAC is a step back. For Tulsa, it is a huge step up. No question. Of course UC wants back into the power club.

As I have stated many times on this board, AAC is a lateral transfer for Tulsa, going from one NonBCS conference to another. Here, I am in agreement with the TCU Football Coach's observation when TCU left CUSA for MWC..."If BCS status is not achieved, then it (MWC) is a lateral transfer."