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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Of course we're locked out of a power conference for the forseeable future. The thing is, it's amazing how fast things can go from "forseeable" to "WTF?"

For example, the Big Ten said that they were set with 12 members, with no expansion on the horizon. Then the SEC added TAMU and Mizzou. All of a sudden, the Big Ten thought Maryland and Rutgers were a great idea to add.

Most of the TV contracts come with look-ins for additional markets added to the existing footprint, or for expansion in general due to content issues. But if I were a Husky or Bearcat fan I would be secretly hoping for a breakaway, as that would mean that the broadening of membership would be in the best interest of those separating. It leaves less suitable product for the NCAA to use to regroup, and brings more numbers on board in the new League.

Oh, I am openly hoping for a breakaway...I am secretly hoping for the total destructon of the NCAA and every P5 team...03-shhhh

The more chaos the better for our chances of returning to a BCS/P5 conference.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:10 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 04:06 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The B1G has no expansion candidates available that they'd want. So my point stands.

If Maryland loses their lawsuit then I'll agree... if Maryland wins, I think the Big 10 may find another couple schools in that area of the country.

What does the Maryland lawsuit have to do with future B1G expansion? Realistically you're looking at a difference of $25 million vs $52 million for an exit fee. But the real issue is the ACC GOR. Are you telling me that the ACC GOR will become null and void if UMD somehow (highly, highly doubtful) wins against the ACC? If they do win, surely you don't think UMD leaves for zero dollars, do you? I'm not even bothering to discuss UMD's countersuit because it's all garbage anyways.

The only thing I do see here are a few G5 schools hoping against hope that a P5 conference gets raided so that their schools are invited to a different conference.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:19 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  What does the Maryland lawsuit have to do with future B1G expansion? Realistically you're looking at a difference of $25 million vs $52 million for an exit fee. But the real issue is the ACC GOR. Are you telling me that the ACC GOR will become null and void if UMD somehow (highly, highly doubtful) wins against the ACC? If they do win, surely you don't think UMD leaves for zero dollars, do you? I'm not even bothering to discuss UMD's countersuit because it's all garbage anyways.

The only thing I do see here are a few G5 schools hoping against hope that a P5 conference gets raided so that their schools are invited to a different conference.

There are some who believe that if the $52M doesn't hold up and it drops significantly (say, Maryland pays $15-20M to get out) then a grouping of 2 from UVA, GT, or UNC could be in play to the Big 10. Who knows...

Edit: On a side note, since you obviously hold your nose over all of the fans of the G5, I'd like to point out that your school is only P5 by name, not by performance. Pitt hasn't been a P5 school in football since the 1980s.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 04:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Of course we're locked out of a power conference for the forseeable future. The thing is, it's amazing how fast things can go from "forseeable" to "WTF?"

For example, the Big Ten said that they were set with 12 members, with no expansion on the horizon. Then the SEC added TAMU and Mizzou. All of a sudden, the Big Ten thought Maryland and Rutgers were a great idea to add.

Most of the TV contracts come with look-ins for additional markets added to the existing footprint, or for expansion in general due to content issues. But if I were a Husky or Bearcat fan I would be secretly hoping for a breakaway, as that would mean that the broadening of membership would be in the best interest of those separating. It leaves less suitable product for the NCAA to use to regroup, and brings more numbers on board in the new League.

Exactly. I hope to see total chaos.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
Us UConn fans just need to worry about things we can control. That's it. Just keep supporting the teams, make sure our revenue stays where it is. With the exit fee money, we'll be okay, at least until that's gone. Hopefully, if we are still in the AAC when the next TV deal is negotiated, they either increase the payout due to strong performance, or UConn renogiates its terms with the conference. The AAC may need to have unequal revenue distribution. UConn may have to look at other, non-P5, alternatives. UConn has to look out for itself though and make sure it is making what its worth, or as close to it as possible.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:21 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 04:19 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  What does the Maryland lawsuit have to do with future B1G expansion? Realistically you're looking at a difference of $25 million vs $52 million for an exit fee. But the real issue is the ACC GOR. Are you telling me that the ACC GOR will become null and void if UMD somehow (highly, highly doubtful) wins against the ACC? If they do win, surely you don't think UMD leaves for zero dollars, do you? I'm not even bothering to discuss UMD's countersuit because it's all garbage anyways.

The only thing I do see here are a few G5 schools hoping against hope that a P5 conference gets raided so that their schools are invited to a different conference.

There are some who believe that if the $52M doesn't hold up and it drops significantly (say, Maryland pays $15-20M to get out) then a grouping of 2 from UVA, GT, or UNC could be in play to the Big 10. Who knows...

Edit: On a side note, since you obviously hold your nose over all of the fans of the G5, I'd like to point out that your school is only P5 by name, not by performance. Pitt hasn't been a P5 school in football since the 1980s.

Yes, some people speculate... But what this speculation fails to acknowledge, which btw is typical of people who try to gin up traffic to their sites, is the GOR. The GOR dwarfs the exit fee currently in place. Technically, it is no longer needed because there is a GOR in place.

Your side note: You drew this conclusion how? Did you ever stop to think that people get sick and tired of seeing the same recycled crap spewed over and over again without taking into account the actual course of events that took place over the past year? I'll refrain from commenting on your school and chalk it up to you exercising bad judgement for trying to rile someone up despite the fact that I made no insulting comments about your school, the AAC or the G5 for that matter.
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Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:21 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 04:19 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  What does the Maryland lawsuit have to do with future B1G expansion? Realistically you're looking at a difference of $25 million vs $52 million for an exit fee. But the real issue is the ACC GOR. Are you telling me that the ACC GOR will become null and void if UMD somehow (highly, highly doubtful) wins against the ACC? If they do win, surely you don't think UMD leaves for zero dollars, do you? I'm not even bothering to discuss UMD's countersuit because it's all garbage anyways.

The only thing I do see here are a few G5 schools hoping against hope that a P5 conference gets raided so that their schools are invited to a different conference.

There are some who believe that if the $52M doesn't hold up and it drops significantly (say, Maryland pays $15-20M to get out) then a grouping of 2 from UVA, GT, or UNC could be in play to the Big 10. Who knows...

Edit: On a side note, since you obviously hold your nose over all of the fans of the G5, I'd like to point out that your school is only P5 by name, not by performance. Pitt hasn't been a P5 school in football since the 1980s.

With all due respect, your response is not logical. Whatever happens with the Maryland exit fee lawsuit, it has no bearing whatsoever on the GOR; and the financial impact to a departing school - even if it had to pay the full exit fee - is chump change compared to the impact of the GOR. Secondly, it should have become clear that UVA, GT, and UNC did not want to go to the BiG. If they did, don't you think that at least some of these schools would be there now in place of Maryland and/or Rutgers?
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
Even if the breakaway were just "all schools currently classified or reclassifying" FBS, the value of UConn and Cincinnati would increase by a huge margin.

The NCAA Tournament generates $740 million. Even if a breakaway happened and it was within the NCAA structure and thus the NCAA still extracted the same pound of flesh for operations, the revenue distribution structure would almost certainly change.

It is a leftover of a different era. There is money distributed of X dollars for every sport sponsored starting with the 14th sport. That was done because so many P5 schools play 20 or more sports while the Division I minimum is 14. If you take all FBS, everyone is playing at least 16 sports and the average is probably around 19 or 20. As structured it doesn't differentiate much. Same for the fund that distributes based on scholarships awarded. It esclates payments greatly at around 150 or 180 scholarships awarded. Well everyone in FBS is already awarding at least 200.

So things like those which were designed to insure greater payments to schools now in the G5 would be less relevant.

If you reduce the tournament back to 64 and there are only 10 auto qualifiers that means 54 at-large. Currently we have 68 with 31 AQ leaving 37 at-large spots.

A unit is worth $1.5 million over six years.

Just a straight FBS break makes UConn and Cincy much more valuable because the 10 FBS leagues are all going to do their best to snag as many of those $1.5 million units as they can. Today with the field being 68 adding teams isn't that significant on the basketball side because chances are if you add one great basketball team you are only gaining an added unit every other year because the size of the at-large field is constrained. Increase the at-large field by 17 (assuming we revert to 64) and the dollars at stake climbs significantly.

Looking solely at the final 64 schools, the schools that would be left out of a FBS break earned 43 units last year. That's $64.5 million spread over six years just from one tournament and that's without increasing the value of a unit by cutting other revenue sharing. There was another $12 million (over six years) paid out for the first four that could be redirected by not having a first four.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:36 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  Yes, some people speculate... But what this speculation fails to acknowledge, which btw is typical of people who try to gin up traffic to their sites, is the GOR. The GOR dwarfs the exit fee currently in place. Technically, it is no longer needed because there is a GOR in place.

Agreed. And it could be declared invalid if this goes to court. If it doesn't go to court, other schools could leave saying a precedent has been set lowering the penalty for breaking the GOR. Due to the knowledge that Maryland has, and the subpoenas filed on behalf of Maryland to UL, UM, Syracuse, BC, etc., I'm going to guess that is some damning evidence regarding the Big East breakup, Pitt's role, ESPN's role, etc... Maryland will get out cheap, it will set the precedent, and if other schools so choose to leave then they will do so at a steeply discounted rate.

Quote:Your side note: You drew this conclusion how? Did you ever stop to think that people get sick and tired of seeing the same recycled crap spewed over and over again without taking into account the actual course of events that took place over the past year? I'll refrain from commenting on your school and chalk it up to you exercising bad judgement for trying to rile someone up despite the fact that I made no insulting comments about your school, the AAC or the G5 for that matter.

Don't read this forum then. You most certainly did thumb your nose at the G5 claiming they all want the P5 to break up. Personally, I just wish some of the lesser P5 schools would admit that they are head and shoulders over those who didn't make it in. UC showed it is a great with the backing of a good conference. Hopefully in time it gets that backing again.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 04:39 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  With all due respect, your response is not logical. Whatever happens with the Maryland exit fee lawsuit, it has no bearing whatsoever on the GOR; and the financial impact to a departing school - even if it had to pay the full exit fee - is chump change compared to the impact of the GOR. Secondly, it should have become clear that UVA, GT, and UNC did not want to go to the BiG. If they did, don't you think that at least some of these schools would be there now in place of Maryland and/or Rutgers?

I'll go with what I've read in the Washington Post and other major newspapers. There is speculation out there that Maryland is about to expose interference by ESPN and the ACC that caused the Big East to break up. That would expose them to huge lawsuits by UConn, UC, and USF for tortious interference and the damages could be huge. Lots of what ifs... I'm not saying anything will happen. I'm just saying I'm not sold that the ACC GOR will matter come the end of this. My guess, the ACC settles for pennies on the dollar and, should UC, UConn, and USF not find their way to a bigger conference, more discovery filings happening in order to figure out if the ACC and/or ESPN was involved in damaging those 3 schools.
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