(02-09-2014 10:28 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  Not much to complain about sitting 20-3...I want to see the FB team produce similar seasons. Can you imagine both programs competing at this level year in, year out?

Agreed. I saw Toledo play at home against Central Michigan. The passing was sloppy, it was a two person scoring show, and the defense was bad. The passing has got much much better. Drummond has become a scoring threat, which will stretch opposing defenses even thinner. The defense has improved, but it is not perfect. They can still get carved up by opposing guards. Overall they have improved greatly over the season. This is a team that could lose in the first round of the MAC tournament, and they also could easily win the MAC tournament. The loss to Ohio certainly showed that even though they are the new contender on the scene, winning the MAC is not a lock. Either way I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is February 9th, and Toledo is 20-3. The crowds keep getting bigger, the games are entertaining, and the metro area is talking about it. Enjoy it.

(02-09-2014 10:20 AM)Rocket A Wrote:  It is amazing to read the comments on this board after the game. Woman sitting a couple of rows behind me was complaining about the officials the entire game and she was a Ball St fan. Eventually I has to tell her to shut the hell up, much like i would like to do about the complaining about officiating EVERY SINGLE GAME on this board.

Do the officials miss some calls, sure. I have no idea why the technical was called on Juice, but other than that, I don't have many complaints with the officials after watching the game in person.

20-3!!! Go Rockets!!!

I agree. I imagine if we were to read the blogs for other MAC teams we would see everyone complaining about the refs. My perspective is that the refs have a very difficult job in basketball due to the almost continuous fast flow of the game. They do their best and almost never influence the outcome of a game. And all of the ref bashing has no real purpose does it? The level of competence of the refs will not change as a result of the criticism of the fans. Nor should it.

(02-09-2014 11:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:28 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  Not much to complain about sitting 20-3...I want to see the FB team produce similar seasons. Can you imagine both programs competing at this level year in, year out?

Agreed. I saw Toledo play at home against Central Michigan. The passing was sloppy, it was a two person scoring show, and the defense was bad. The passing has got much much better. Drummond has become a scoring threat, which will stretch opposing defenses even thinner. The defense has improved, but it is not perfect. They can still get carved up by opposing guards. Overall they have improved greatly over the season. This is a team that could lose in the first round of the MAC tournament, and they also could easily win the MAC tournament. The loss to Ohio certainly showed that even though they are the new contender on the scene, winning the MAC is not a lock. Either way I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is February 9th, and Toledo is 20-3. The crowds keep getting bigger, the games are entertaining, and the metro area is talking about it. Enjoy it.

OK. Sounds good to me.

BSU win to me was among the most impressive. Two starters out of last 5 MINUTES...when was the last time we have done that on the road? 20-3 is great no matter what...wins on the road against the best of the MAC have been very impressive. So many different weapons and depth a plenty. Hack was right that time will tell but this has the chance to be one of the very best MBB UT has had certainly in the last 30+ years. I get the feeling that they will not lay an egg in the MACC either. Hope the OU game is an SRO affair!

I have been lucky enough to play, coach and referee varsity basketball games in Ohio. I like, hate, and respected referees when I coached. Now as a ref. I like, hate, and respect coaches when I ref. To referee you need the following: 1]to be confident 2]willing to know that most every night someone [50%] is not going to like a call. 3] willing to study an 80 page rule book that also has other books with it that must also be studied called the Case Book, Hand Book, and Officials Manual. So that makes about 400 pages of written material that is written in such detail that the extra books are published to help you understand the rule book. My goal every time I put on the stripes is to not affect the outcome of a game by missing obvious calls or not following the rules properly. This makes up about 10%, at most, of the things I have to decide during a game. I believe that almost every trip down the floor one of the 3 man crew could make a call by rule. Is that what coaches, players, and fans want?????? The goal of a referee is to prompt players to play clean enough to develop a flow to the game w/o the whistle being blown. For this to happen, referees are trained to ignore contact that in their JUDGEMENT doesnt affect the outcome of the play. I played high school, coached high school, and now referee varsity high school. I have determined that even average referees are allot more qualified than some moron in the stands who paid $6 dollars to earn their right to an opinion. All I care about is the players, coaches, and fellow referees when I suit up. But, dearest fan, do not disrespect the game I love with your words thrown out at me or I will disrespect you back with an early exit, non refundable. ENJOY THE GAME.

(02-09-2014 01:05 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I have been lucky enough to play, coach and referee varsity basketball games in Ohio. I like, hate, and respected referees when I coached. Now as a ref. I like, hate, and respect coaches when I ref. To referee you need the following: 1]to be confident 2]willing to know that most every night someone [50%] is not going to like a call. 3] willing to study an 80 page rule book that also has other books with it that must also be studied called the Case Book, Hand Book, and Officials Manual. So that makes about 400 pages of written material that is written in such detail that the extra books are published to help you understand the rule book. My goal every time I put on the stripes is to not affect the outcome of a game by missing obvious calls or not following the rules properly. This makes up about 10%, at most, of the things I have to decide during a game. I believe that almost every trip down the floor one of the 3 man crew could make a call by rule. Is that what coaches, players, and fans want?????? The goal of a referee is to prompt players to play clean enough to develop a flow to the game w/o the whistle being blown. For this to happen, referees are trained to ignore contact that in their JUDGEMENT doesnt affect the outcome of the play. I played high

school, coached high school, and now referee varsity high school. I have determined that even average referees are allot more qualified than some moron in the stands who paid $6 dollars to earn their right to an opinion. All I care about is the players, coaches, and fellow referees when I suit up. But, dearest fan, do not disrespect the game I love with your words thrown out at me or I will disrespect you back with an early exit, non refundable. ENJOY THE GAME.

Well said. Those who pay $6 have no right to question ref's calls. It's those who pay $10 for lower bowl seats who should yell at the refs. Seriously, you very eloquently encapsulated the refs job- one which most do quite well.

(02-09-2014 01:05 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  To referee you need the following: 1]to be confident 2]willing to know that most every night someone [50%] is not going to like a call..........

But, dearest fan, do not disrespect the game I love with your words thrown out at me or I will disrespect you back with an early exit, non refundable.

Qualities 1 & 2 could be summed up as having a "thick skin", which any referee must have. That last statement seems to contradict those values; fortunately, it's not an attitude we often see from college basketball referees, who generally do an excellent job.

(02-09-2014 04:31 PM)JCRocket Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 01:05 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  To referee you need the following: 1]to be confident 2]willing to know that most every night someone [50%] is not going to like a call..........

But, dearest fan, do not disrespect the game I love with your words thrown out at me or I will disrespect you back with an early exit, non refundable.

Qualities 1 & 2 could be summed up as having a "thick skin", which any referee must have. That last statement seems to contradict those values; fortunately, it's not an attitude we often see from college basketball referees, who generally do an excellent job.

I see no reason a ref should have a thick skin regards being insulted, sworn at, yelled at. Questioned? Sure but the others, no. That's not why they are there and that's not why the players, coaches, nor the fans should be there.

That game was hard to watch. Glad we got a W no matter how ugly it was.

(02-09-2014 04:31 PM)JCRocket Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 01:05 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  To referee you need the following: 1]to be confident 2]willing to know that most every night someone [50%] is not going to like a call..........

But, dearest fan, do not disrespect the game I love with your words thrown out at me or I will disrespect you back with an early exit, non refundable.

Qualities 1 & 2 could be summed up as having a "thick skin", which any referee must have. That last statement seems to contradict those values; fortunately, it's not an attitude we often see from college basketball referees, who generally do an excellent job.

To clarify: JCRocket, you are out of here....just kidding Don't use profanity or threaten. Otherwise I will ignore you or just smile.

(02-09-2014 07:18 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 04:31 PM)JCRocket Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 01:05 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  To referee you need the following: 1]to be confident 2]willing to know that most every night someone [50%] is not going to like a call..........

But, dearest fan, do not disrespect the game I love with your words thrown out at me or I will disrespect you back with an early exit, non refundable.

Qualities 1 & 2 could be summed up as having a "thick skin", which any referee must have. That last statement seems to contradict those values; fortunately, it's not an attitude we often see from college basketball referees, who generally do an excellent job.

To clarify: JCRocket, you are out of here....just kidding Don't use profanity or threaten. Otherwise I will ignore you or just smile.

Haha, thanks for the clarification (and the ejection). And to clarify my thoughts, I agree threats and profanity have no place and should be dealt with accordingly.

JCRocket, You could yell at me anytime. Almost forgot. Non-verbals that are not nice.