(02-06-2014 10:13 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  Cincinnati prefers an ACC invite. Most of our Big East peers are there, and the school fits better with them. If the Big XII came calling UC has to leave the AAC. Once the Maryland lawsuit is settle. I think UC will be on the move.

What does this mean exactly? What do you expect to happen after the suit is settled that will result in UC getting an invite to another conference?

(02-06-2014 10:13 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  Cincinnati prefers an ACC invite. Most of our Big East peers are there, and the school fits better with them. If the Big XII came calling UC has to leave the AAC. Once the Maryland lawsuit is settle. I think UC will be on the move.

If the Big XII comes calling, you bet UC would say yes in a NY minute. That opportunity will go to another school in the AAC if UC says no. Most of Cincy's peers are in the ACC and it's a better venue for the school but being isolated with WVU in the Big XII and having a seat in the big boy table trumps anything than being stuck in a G5 conference.

(02-06-2014 10:22 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 10:03 PM)Savacool Wrote:  Cincinnati is going nowhere. They are basically a regional non academic community school that's once proud basketball program has gone to hell. The football program is worst. Remember the Bob Huggins days when they recruited allegedly thugs and that could not read or write to win games!

There's a saying about people who live in glass houses.

Cuts and bruises savacool has sustania. Oy, academia.

+1 for anyone who can guess the song I'm referencing.

(02-06-2014 10:03 PM)Savacool Wrote:  Cincinnati is going nowhere. They are basically a regional non academic community school that's once proud basketball program has gone to hell. The football program is worst. Remember the Bob Huggins days when they recruited allegedly thugs and that could not read or write to win games!

And You wonder why You root for Tulane. You've already reached Your Big-time.

(02-06-2014 10:07 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:52 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:31 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:28 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 08:41 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  UTEP would have to really step up their academic game, having a 99% acceptance rate, is not going to cut it, to get into the P12.

I don't want to derail the topic but the only thing I have to say is UTEP serves a different mission than most universities. It's the only accredited 4 year university in that part of the state (yes, NMSU is nearby but it's in a different state with a different mission).....the only other 4 year Texas university "nearby" is in Alpine (Sul Ross State) which is almost 3 hours away.

UTEP is becoming a Tier One university, it was selected by the Legislature for that purpose. Fundraising and research dollars are being increased for that reason alone. But it's main objective is to provide a quality education to a region that's growing and the poverty rate is high. Most UTEP students have either a part or full time job, are married and have families or are returning students that had to quit because of myriad of reasons (got married, went to the military, etc) so they're not the traditional students most universities target. UTEP will never be a Rice or Stanford or even a UCLA or Minnesota nor it pretends to be one because its mission it's different from those universities.

Now back to the topic.

I like UTEP for that fact and too often it goes unnoticed.

Yea, I understand, UH original mission was to educate the working class children of Houston, but it has changed, now it's become a Princeton review National Top Research University, acceptance rate is 60% now. Some people aren't happy about it, but things change. Hell, my own son couldn't get in, he had to go to Texas Tech. We had some good spirited football games when we played UTEP, all the best.

It was only last year that UH finally raised its admission standards above North Texas so you should be pleased that your son is much smarter and more accomplished than you to be accepted to Texas Tech. UH's acceptance rate reflects the nature of its applicants. Community college is the backup plan for UH applicants. UH is the backup plan for Houston high school students not admitted to Texas Tech, Texas, A&M, Baylor, SMU, etc.

Well let me way in on this since I started this skirmish with a innocent statement, about my son not getting into UH and ended up going to Tech, I love both schools for obvious reasons UH because I and my wife are alum and Tech because my son is getting educated there, he loves the school and I mean loves the school, therefore I love the school. Both are fine institutions of higher learning, that serve our State well, no need to disparage one over the other. When UH and Tech play their future series of football games (if I'm still roaming this earth) I'll be rooting for my Alma Mater just like I expect my son to root for his...it's all good in the end.

Had the Big 12 taken Louisville and Cincinnati to go along with West Virginia, I think everyone involved would be pleased right now. The B12 would be viable and it would have a strong presence in the deep in talent Ohio Valley. Alas, they took a more shortsighted approach and it bit them in the arse a bit, IMHO, when the ACC surprised everyone by taking the Cardinals instead of UConn to replace Maryland.

BTW, while the conventional wisdom seems to be that there is some sort of a pecking order, I don't necessarily agree with that premise. I think it is very situational. The Louisville for Maryland swap is one such example and another is that when the ACC expanded in 2011 they didn't even consider Rutgers for either spot No. 13 or 14. And yet when the Big Ten expanded to 14 teams a short time later, RU was at the top of their wish list (or so they say).

I agree with the Cincy poster that their best fit is unquestionably the ACC. They are closer geographically to that league than any league not named the Big Ten, there is a ton of academic prestige associated with the ACC and their longtime rival, Louisville is already in that league. Also, though their history with Pitt and Syracuse is brief, there is still at least some history there so it's not a total non-factor.

However, I just don't see the ACC as being a likely home for the Bearcats for the foreseeable future as I don't see the impetus that would cause the league to expand to 16 or more teams? I mean sure it could happen but short of Notre Dame joining as a full member, I doubt it very much.

Now, the ACC could be raided again, as it was for Maryland, but again, that seems unlikely to me. Also, even if the league were raided, that would probably be bad news for UC.

Why?

Well, it's all about that situational thing. I believe that if the ACC is raided again, that league would almost have to be the SEC or B1G. No other potential suitor is really much of a threat, IMHO. However, for the hell of it, let's say that the SEC gets nervous over FSU's run of success and decides, "Hey, if you can beat them, join them (or have them join you)."

Were that to happen, I think the ACC's first move would be to shore up its Florida presence and to give Miami another potential rival. That is why I would bet the ranch that either USF or (my bet) UCF would be the choice to replace the Seminoles, not UC.

This is all very complex and fluid and I wish Cincy nothing but the best but I think they're stuck in the AAC for the next several years until the Big Ten and Southeastern Conferences get itchy trigger fingers again.

I like Cincinnati and think SEC should pick it up as its 15th school. The move would put SEC in Ohio, scaring the jeepers out of Urban Meyer. Cincinnati could very well be a hidden gem for SEC like Missouri. Plus Cincy-Kentucky basketball would rock.

(02-06-2014 11:28 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I like Cincinnati and think SEC should pick it up as its 15th school. The move would put SEC in Ohio, scaring the jeepers out of Urban Meyer. Cincinnati could very well be a hidden gem for SEC like Missouri. Plus Cincy-Kentucky basketball would rock.

I don't think the SEC is prepared to dilute their brand of 'Souther' football any more than they may have with the addition of Missouri.

(02-06-2014 09:28 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't want to derail the topic but the only thing I have to say is UTEP serves a different mission than most universities. It's the only accredited 4 year university in that part of the state (yes, NMSU is nearby but it's in a different state with a different mission).....the only other 4 year Texas university "nearby" is in Alpine (Sul Ross State) which is almost 3 hours away.

You just reminded me. Several years back I took the train from L.A. to Houston there was a 45 minute stop in Alpine; I think I bought a snack from a local bakery. Interesting little place. I also remember us going through El Paso and not seeing much civilization after that until we hit Alpine.

(02-06-2014 11:37 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 11:28 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I like Cincinnati and think SEC should pick it up as its 15th school. The move would put SEC in Ohio, scaring the jeepers out of Urban Meyer. Cincinnati could very well be a hidden gem for SEC like Missouri. Plus Cincy-Kentucky basketball would rock.

I don't think the SEC is prepared to dilute their brand of 'Souther' football any more than they may have with the addition of Missouri.

That's too bad because the only thing that separates Cincinnati from Kentucky is the Ohio River. It's on the periphery of SEC territory, which, to me, makes it a better candidate, geographically, than Missouri (not that Missouri was a bad choice).

(02-06-2014 11:37 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 11:28 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I like Cincinnati and think SEC should pick it up as its 15th school. The move would put SEC in Ohio, scaring the jeepers out of Urban Meyer. Cincinnati could very well be a hidden gem for SEC like Missouri. Plus Cincy-Kentucky basketball would rock.

I don't think the SEC is prepared to dilute their brand of 'Souther' football any more than they may have with the addition of Missouri.

I don't think that the Big 12 is prepared to dilute their conference payouts with any hypothetical G5 additions.

(02-06-2014 09:23 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Is this news? I thought everyone in the G5 wants into a better P5 conference...

Actually, they would all stay right where they are if they got a $20 million payday every year.

(02-07-2014 02:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:23 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Is this news? I thought everyone in the G5 wants into a better P5 conference...

Actually, they would all stay right where they are if they got a $20 million payday every year.

I would bet that they all stay where they are. No one is looking to pay less money to their members by adding from the G5.

(02-07-2014 02:57 AM)Groo Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:23 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Is this news? I thought everyone in the G5 wants into a better P5 conference...

Actually, they would all stay right where they are if they got a $20 million payday every year.

I would bet that they all stay where they are. No one is looking to pay less money to their members by adding from the G5.

I actually think you are right. There will be only minor movement (like VCU or Wichita to AAC for BB) until some of these TV contracts and GOR agreements are finished in the P% leagues. No P5 conference is itching to add right now.

(02-07-2014 02:57 AM)Groo Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:23 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Is this news? I thought everyone in the G5 wants into a better P5 conference...

Actually, they would all stay right where they are if they got a $20 million payday every year.

I would bet that they all stay where they are. No one is looking to pay less money to their members by adding from the G5.

Actually No one from a Non G5 is going to join the Big12 so G5 or Nothing. Not only that but the Big East was going to bailout the Big12 left behinds had Texas and Oklahoma left for the PAC back in 2011.

(02-06-2014 10:03 PM)Savacool Wrote:  Cincinnati is going nowhere. They are basically a regional non academic community school that's once proud basketball program has gone to hell. The football program is worst. Remember the Bob Huggins days when they recruited allegedly thugs and that could not read or write to win games!

I don't buy that you're a Tulane fan.

This is how I know you're trolling:

Tulane is #79 in endowment at about 1.049 billion. Guess who is a flicker behind us at #80? Cincinnati - that's who.

A Tulane fan/alum wouldn't call a school like Cincy non-academic.

The basketball team is 22-2, and just beat #22 UConn. They're now approaching the top 5.

You HAVE to be a Southern Miss fan.

(02-07-2014 05:42 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:57 AM)Groo Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:23 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Is this news? I thought everyone in the G5 wants into a better P5 conference...

Actually, they would all stay right where they are if they got a $20 million payday every year.

I would bet that they all stay where they are. No one is looking to pay less money to their members by adding from the G5.

Actually No one from a Non G5 is going to join the Big12 so G5 or Nothing. Not only that but the Big East was going to bailout the Big12 left behinds had Texas and Oklahoma left for the PAC back in 2011.

+3

I think a lot of people are missing something big-

Look how open (brazen) Cindy is being in saying they want a better conference. No other AAC school is even close to it.

Heckler, UConn's AD stated that U Conn was done looking at conference hopping.

Now we have the PRESIDENT of Cincy out in the open saying Cincy is all but gone if asked and the person tg hey hired has as his almost singular goal, to get Cincy to the ACC/Big 12.

(02-07-2014 07:57 AM)BE4evah Wrote:  I think a lot of people are missing something big-

Look how open (brazen) Cindy is being in saying they want a better conference. No other AAC school is even close to it.

Heckler, UConn's AD stated that U Conn was done looking at conference hopping.

Now we have the PRESIDENT of Cincy out in the open saying Cincy is all but gone if asked and the person tg hey hired has as his almost singular goal, to get Cincy to the ACC/Big 12.

I completely agree.

Sooo... anyone know any details about this new AD? There's not much info on Cincy boards about him. Pretty much all I know is he was at Colorado when they moved to the PAC, made several bad hiring decisions for football, and that he got fired.

How involved was he in the move to the PAC? Was he fired because he was a bad AD or because of a new admin? Was he a good fundraiser?

That last part is key because we need a new basketball arena (the current one was built in the early 90s and was one of the last arenas built without the assistance of computers in the design work. It's big but it was outdated 5 years after it was built).