I told you I don't really but a lot of stock in football recruiting. I've seen way to many Chris Johnson, David Garrard, Jeff Blake etc's that either had no offers or teams wouldn't recruit at the position they were successful here at.

Just look at our best players this year.

Carden, no D1 offers best offer was Harvard
Hardy, walk on
Cooper, no offers
I. Jones one offer to Ark St
D Johnson can't even find his HS profile
Maggazu no D1 offers
T. Williams Kent State and Eastern Michigan

That's our best players, and in some cases some of the best players in the country at their positions with NFL potiental. What was Taylor Heneke? Football players aren't a finished products at 17, they almost all have to be built in the weight room and coached in successful systems to really have success. There are thousands of them to scout and a dozen games with only like 40 plays a game to try to scout them not 35 games both sides of the ball, and AAU like hoops from the time they are 10 years old vs the other best players their age. You can't really see genetic potiental either like some of these players to put on 100lbs and go from no star DB to NFL DL like CJ Wilson did here. You can just about see a 7 footer and know if he can play.

(02-06-2014 01:58 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I told you I don't really but a lot of stock in football recruiting. I've seen way to many Chris Johnson, David Garrard, Jeff Blake etc's that either had no offers or teams wouldn't recruit at the position they were successful here at.

Just look at our best players this year.

Carden, no D1 offers best offer was Harvard
Hardy, walk on
Cooper, no offers
I. Jones one offer to Ark St
D Johnson can't even find his HS profile
Maggazu no D1 offers
T. Williams Kent State and Eastern Michigan

That's our best players, and in some cases some of the best players in the country at their positions with NFL potiental. What was Taylor Heneke? Football players aren't a finished products at 17, they almost all have to be built in the weight room and coached in successful systems to really have success. There are thousands of them to scout and a dozen games with only like 40 plays a game to try to scout them not 35 games both sides of the ball, and AAU like hoops from the time they are 10 years old vs the other best players their age. You can't really see genetic potiental either like some of these players to put on 100lbs and go from no star DB to NFL DL like CJ Wilson did here. You can just about see a 7 footer and know if he can play.

well stated sir......

ODU has had 7 football recruiting classes (let me repeat that....) 7 recruiting classes ever.

Personally, I am extremely pleased that ODU has come so far in such a short time. The fact that SJ and other ECU fans are gloating about getting football recruits (more specifically Anthony Scott) over ODU is something that wouldn't have happened less than a decade ago. By the way, Scott appears to be a great RB and I truly hope he does well at ECU.

Also, here's the even more startling news: If ODU starts to develop a culture of winning and tradition (hint: it's happening, but a true culture will take time), then more and more 757 recruits will not go to Greenville and instead stay in Hampton Roads.

I'm excited about the ODU recruiting class and I'm looking forward to seeing ODU royally kick some ECU butt (bring on VT next!) in many future recruiting battles.

(02-06-2014 01:58 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I told you I don't really but a lot of stock in football recruiting. I've seen way to many Chris Johnson, David Garrard, Jeff Blake etc's that either had no offers or teams wouldn't recruit at the position they were successful here at.

Just look at our best players this year.

Carden, no D1 offers best offer was Harvard
Hardy, walk on
Cooper, no offers
I. Jones one offer to Ark St
D Johnson can't even find his HS profile
Maggazu no D1 offers
T. Williams Kent State and Eastern Michigan

That's our best players, and in some cases some of the best players in the country at their positions with NFL potiental. What was Taylor Heneke? Football players aren't a finished products at 17, they almost all have to be built in the weight room and coached in successful systems to really have success. There are thousands of them to scout and a dozen games with only like 40 plays a game to try to scout them not 35 games both sides of the ball, and AAU like hoops from the time they are 10 years old vs the other best players their age. You can't really see genetic potiental either like some of these players to put on 100lbs and go from no star DB to NFL DL like CJ Wilson did here. You can just about see a 7 footer and know if he can play.

+1
Excellent points.

Personally I think class rankings outside the top ten or so are really suspect, outside the top 25 even more so.

(02-06-2014 02:11 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  The fact that SJ and other ECU fans are gloating about getting football recruits (more specifically Anthony Scott) over ODU is something that wouldn't have happened less than a decade ago. By the way, Scott appears to be a great RB and I truly hope he does well at ECU.

Also, here's the even more startling news: If ODU starts to develop a culture of winning and tradition (hint: it's happening, but a true culture will take time), then more and more 757 recruits will not go to Greenville and instead stay in Hampton Roads.

I wasn't gloating. The Marshall guy specifically came at me with how you guys were going to be whipping us in recruiting. If he stays out of it nothing is posted about it. I've said many times especially when we were both going to be in the same conference I was concerned about you guys hurting our recruiting and I still am but I am pleasantly surprised to get 5 out of Virginia Beach and hit it harder than we ever have this year. I'll take that as a good sign but I know you'll get some players we want and already have.

(02-06-2014 02:26 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I wasn't gloating. The Marshall guy specifically came at me with how you guys were going to be whipping us in recruiting. If he stays out of it nothing is posted about it. I've said many times especially when we were both going to be in the same conference I was concerned about you guys hurting our recruiting and I still am but I am pleasantly surprised to get 5 out of Virginia Beach and hit it harder than we ever have this year. I'll take that as a good sign but I know you'll get some players we want and already have.

It'll be a long time before ODU can successfully trump ECU as the top G5 school for recruits in Hampton Roads. Meaning that if ODU competes with ECU for the same player, that player will normally pick ODU.

These recruiting battles can be really rough and I expect to see ODU winning some and ECU winning some especially for the next few years. Even with you all moving on to the AAC, I can see ODU picking off more and more ECU recruits. We will just have to see how it turns out next year and beyond.

Best of luck to the Pirates in the future!

(02-06-2014 02:11 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  ODU has had 7 football recruiting classes (let me repeat that....) 7 recruiting classes ever.

Personally, I am extremely pleased that ODU has come so far in such a short time. The fact that SJ and other ECU fans are gloating about getting football recruits (more specifically Anthony Scott) over ODU is something that wouldn't have happened less than a decade ago. By the way, Scott appears to be a great RB and I truly hope he does well at ECU.

Also, here's the even more startling news: If ODU starts to develop a culture of winning and tradition (hint: it's happening, but a true culture will take time), then more and more 757 recruits will not go to Greenville and instead stay in Hampton Roads.

I'm excited about the ODU recruiting class and I'm looking forward to seeing ODU royally kick some ECU butt (bring on VT next!) in many future recruiting battles.

no disrespect meant, but you guys should be excited based on this

kudos to what appears to be part of the cream of crop regarding fan base interest and class....that's what matters to me anyway

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  It'll be a long time before ODU can successfully trump ECU as the top G5 school for recruits in Hampton Roads. Meaning that if ODU competes with ECU for the same player, that player will normally pick ODU.

I wouldn't go that far. I've already seen you get a few players we offered or had high interest in just in the little I follow and I fully expect that to continue to happen. That's one of the main reasons I was against ODU, UNCC, and App in CUSA when Holland was pushing you from day one. There are too many scholarships in the area to give now for it not to impact us some.

(02-06-2014 02:54 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  It'll be a long time before ODU can successfully trump ECU as the top G5 school for recruits in Hampton Roads. Meaning that if ODU competes with ECU for the same player, that player will normally pick ODU.

I wouldn't go that far. I've already seen you get a few players we offered or had high interest in just in the little I follow and I fully expect that to continue to happen. That's one of the main reasons I was against ODU, UNCC, and App in CUSA when Holland was pushing you from day one. There are too many scholarships in the area to give now for it not to impact us some.

dammit boy, when did you decide to flip to the world of logic....I like it much better...it suits you....srsly

(02-06-2014 02:54 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  It'll be a long time before ODU can successfully trump ECU as the top G5 school for recruits in Hampton Roads. Meaning that if ODU competes with ECU for the same player, that player will normally pick ODU.

I wouldn't go that far. I've already seen you get a few players we offered or had high interest in just in the little I follow and I fully expect that to continue to happen. That's one of the main reasons I was against ODU, UNCC, and App in CUSA when Holland was pushing you from day one. There are too many scholarships in the area to give now for it not to impact us some.

That's a good point. ODU has already seen some success. This season will be extremely important to determining if ODU continues its tremendous run in football (6-6 or better would be ideal)! Go Monarchs!!

Oh, I'm very glad Holland supported ODU! However, it could have a long term effect on ECU recruiting and that would be unfortunate for you all. Thanks again Terry!

(02-06-2014 02:54 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:38 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  It'll be a long time before ODU can successfully trump ECU as the top G5 school for recruits in Hampton Roads. Meaning that if ODU competes with ECU for the same player, that player will normally pick ODU.

I wouldn't go that far. I've already seen you get a few players we offered or had high interest in just in the little I follow and I fully expect that to continue to happen. That's one of the main reasons I was against ODU, UNCC, and App in CUSA when Holland was pushing you from day one. There are too many scholarships in the area to give now for it not to impact us some.

SJ.....remember a couple posts back you raved about how recruiting didnt mean anything to you? Yet here you are on the CUSA board STILL talking about recruiting......

(02-06-2014 02:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  no disrespect meant, but you guys should be excited based on this

kudos to what appears to be part of the cream of crop regarding fan base interest and class....that's what matters to me anyway

I can't speak for other ODU fans but I believe that football has changed this college and for the better. Students (that includes myself!) and the surrounding community are really proud to support Old Dominion, and now instead of seeing a ton of Virginia Tech shirts in September you see ODU shirts.

People care more about ODU because of football and it's only going to help the school academically as well (come on EVMS merger!). Plus, you're right. We have a tremendous amount of success for such a new program. What a blessing.

Stinkfist, if you ever get the chance to come to Norfolk then you should come and see the ODU fanbase in person! We have a lot of support and Hampton Roads is a beautiful area to visit. Plus, the tailgates are always open to visitors!

(02-06-2014 11:41 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 11:39 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 09:33 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  1. USF (43)

Good list, but USF is #40 not 43. Not sure whey people don't want a top ten or 15 also. It lends perspective. For example, the AAC has about 9 of the top 15 G5 classes.

Because after 1-4, these classes are nearly identical on paper.

This.