(02-07-2014 11:20 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:54 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  We were up significantly this year. Our class compared pretty favorably to many in the ACC, and certainly would be even better if we were in the ACC.

Scout has Temple ranked at #74 with an average star rating of 2.11. That really doesn't compare favorably to anyone in the ACC except maybe Wake (#64, average 2.48)

247 Sports has Temple ranked at #71 with an average rating of 80.26. That is really only comparable to Wake (#61, average 81.89).

Rivals has Temple at #60 with an average star rating of 2.52. That puts the owls close to #58 Duke (average star 2.89) and #57 Wake (average star 2.44) but not really anyone else.

Compared to most ACC schools, Temple's class was actually pretty bad.

Please dont use Scout. They only evaluate top players and programs and ignore entire areas.

You really think there's a big difference between GT and Syracuse's classes and Temple's? Because there's not. We were in range with Maryland until they got Prince.

Your class was pretty weak so you shouldn't crap on our class. Temple's class compared fine with the bottom 5 in the ACC on 247.

(02-07-2014 04:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 11:20 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:54 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  We were up significantly this year. Our class compared pretty favorably to many in the ACC, and certainly would be even better if we were in the ACC.

Scout has Temple ranked at #74 with an average star rating of 2.11. That really doesn't compare favorably to anyone in the ACC except maybe Wake (#64, average 2.48)

247 Sports has Temple ranked at #71 with an average rating of 80.26. That is really only comparable to Wake (#61, average 81.89).

Rivals has Temple at #60 with an average star rating of 2.52. That puts the owls close to #58 Duke (average star 2.89) and #57 Wake (average star 2.44) but not really anyone else.

Compared to most ACC schools, Temple's class was actually pretty bad.

Please dont use Scout. They only evaluate top players and programs and ignore entire areas.

You really think there's a big difference between GT and Syracuse's classes and Temple's? Because there's not. We were in range with Maryland until they got Prince.

Your class was pretty weak so you shouldn't crap on our class. Temple's class compared fine with the bottom 5 in the ACC on 247.

Duke recruit avg rating - 84.19
GT recruit avg rating - 83.76
Cuse recruit avg rating - 83.26
BC recruit avg rating - 82.27
Wake recruit avg rating - 81.98


Temple recruit avg rating - 80.29

If by comparing fine you mean you were just over a point behind the worst team in the ACC, a team that only really had about two weeks to recruit, then yes you are right. But other than Wake and maybe BC you don't "compare fine" with the bottom five of the ACC.

That is certainly within range. All it would take would be a recruit or two better than what we got, our top JUCO safety being properly rated and our top CB properly rated, who they dropped twice after committing to Temple. Not to mention giving 70 ratings to our last two commits, who are better than the two they replaced in our class.

(02-07-2014 06:17 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 06:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 05:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 05:25 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  To reinforce your conclusions, the following are the average rankings by conference, based on their 2014 conference affiliation:

SEC 17.8
ACC 35.4
PAC 37.3
XII 38.5
TEN 44.2
AAC 78.4
USA 91.5
MWC 95.8
MAC 104.0
SUN 107.5

Obviously, this is only a single recruiting class, and class rankings are notoriously suspect for a lot of reasons. So, minor differences should be largely ignored. But when the differences are stark, and confirm already established trends, you can rightly draw inferences.

The inferences I draw are:

The SEC is so far ahead right now that it wouldn't surprise me if other schools were to vote for measures that improve parity at least within the P5, if not within the FBS. Such measures might include reductions in scholarship limits.

The decline of the B1G is likely to continue.

The P5 are as far ahead of the G5 as the SEC is to the rest of the P5. The gap is as big as it has ever been. So far ahead that even if all the P5 conferences were to stop scheduling FCS schools, they would still dominate OOC almost as much as they do now.

The Mountain West, which had arguably been the best of the G5 as recently as a year ago have fallen hard. Their highest ranked team, Boise, is only #69. They are fading fast from their glory days. Their coach left at the right time.

I don't mean to come nitpick on your board, because AAC is way behind the B1G, but Navy doesn't join until 2015. It only bumps us up 4 points, but it is a boost.

While we are 30 spots behind the B1G we are 17 spots ahead of Cusa, 21 MW and 30+ the other two. Definitely not recruiting on P5 level as a conference, but it is considerably ahead of the other G5.

Good year for the ACC fwiw. The other NC publics have some highly ranked recruits.

A nit well picked. What that also does is put UConn further out on an island in the AAC, 20 spots lower than the next lowest ranked school. Does that suggest that UConn was getting more benefit, football wise, from its membership in the BE than the league was getting from the Huskies? Or is this recruiting class just an aberration?

Probably a combination of the two really.

Diaco was hired 4 days before the month long dead period so he essentially had a little less then a month to put a class together.

That said they will see a drop-off in the level of talent they are able to attract because they are now in a second tier conference.

Clawson was hired at Wake two or three days before Diaco and was able to move Wake's class from ranked in the 80's/90's to the 50's/60's (depending on the recruiting site you look at) in essentially the same time period.

Being in a major conference had a huge impact here. You could likely switch the coaches and the outcome would've been similar.

(02-07-2014 05:09 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  That is certainly within range. All it would take would be a recruit or two better than what we got, our top JUCO safety being properly rated and our top CB properly rated, who they dropped twice after committing to Temple. Not to mention giving 70 ratings to our last two commits, who are better than the two they replaced in our class.

Every school has kids that they feel aren't "properly rated." Ish is the shining example if that at Syracuse. If you're adjusting TU, you have to adjust everyone and we're back to where we started.

(02-07-2014 05:09 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  That is certainly within range. All it would take would be a recruit or two better than what we got, our top JUCO safety being properly rated and our top CB properly rated, who they dropped twice after committing to Temple. Not to mention giving 70 ratings to our last two commits, who are better than the two they replaced in our class.

Which top JUCO Safety? The one only offered by Temple, Bethune-Cookman, and Florida A&M or the one only offered by Temple and South Florida?

What basis do you have that any of your players should be rated higher?

(02-07-2014 04:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Your class was pretty weak so you shouldn't crap on our class. Temple's class compared fine with the bottom 5 in the ACC on 247.

Re-read your original post and my response to it. You said "Our class compared pretty favorably to many in the ACC".

My response wasn't an attempt to "crap on Temple's class". I was simply pointing out that your initial argument was ridiculously false. Not only was Temple's class rated lower than the classes of every single ACC team, but the Owls' class was really only comparable to those at Duke and Wake.

Even if you stretch it to include Cuse and GT, that is only 4 out of 14 schools. When has 4 out of 14 ever been considered many? When has saying "we're almost as good as the worst recruiting classes in your conference" been a good thing?

(02-07-2014 05:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 05:09 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  That is certainly within range. All it would take would be a recruit or two better than what we got, our top JUCO safety being properly rated and our top CB properly rated, who they dropped twice after committing to Temple. Not to mention giving 70 ratings to our last two commits, who are better than the two they replaced in our class.

Which top JUCO Safety? The one only offered by Temple, Bethune-Cookman, and Florida A&M or the one only offered by Temple and South Florida?

What basis do you have that any of your players should be rated higher?

Lovett was offered by Cal. Wells, who was only offered by USF was a JUCO all american.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/temple/football/...ett-157575

http://www.njcaa.org/Teams/football/2013...ricans.pdf

(02-07-2014 06:41 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 05:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 05:09 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  That is certainly within range. All it would take would be a recruit or two better than what we got, our top JUCO safety being properly rated and our top CB properly rated, who they dropped twice after committing to Temple. Not to mention giving 70 ratings to our last two commits, who are better than the two they replaced in our class.

Which top JUCO Safety? The one only offered by Temple, Bethune-Cookman, and Florida A&M or the one only offered by Temple and South Florida?

What basis do you have that any of your players should be rated higher?

Lovett was offered by Cal. Wells, who was only offered by USF was a JUCO all american.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/temple/football/...ett-157575

http://www.njcaa.org/Teams/football/2013...ricans.pdf

So wait....are we supposed to use Rivals or 24/7? Per 24/7 Lovett was only offered by Temple and the Florida HBCUs.

And being a JUCO All-American evidently wasn't enough for him to get offered by anybody but two scrub AACk teams.

Too bad Newberry College didn't offer them.

(02-08-2014 01:30 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Too bad Newberry College didn't offer them.

Too bad for them. If they had come to Newberry they had a chance at seeing a winning season during their career.

(02-08-2014 07:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 01:30 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Too bad Newberry College didn't offer them.

Too bad for them. If they had come to Newberry they had a chance at seeing a winning season during their career.

They decided they would rather not have a ****** education at a school no one has ever heard of.

Well one thing is for sure, when you are competing with Bethune-Cookman and Florida A&M academics is the least of their concerns.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/temple/football/...ett-157575

http://247sports.com/Player/Shahid-Lovett-37099

247 had us signing a guy we never offered. Our 247 site is worthless.

"Shahid Lovett DB 6-2 • 205 Junior Vineland, NJ Vineland / Lackawanna CC
College: Transferred from Lackawanna College in Scranton (PA) after two seasons with coach Mark Duda ... ranked by Rivals' JCGridiron.com as the #3 JUCO safety in the country ... in 2013, made transition to strong safety after previously playing wide receiver ... finished in the top three in team tackles (66), interceptions (3), and tackles for a loss (6.5), and was named the Falcon's Most Valuable Defensive Player. ... named to the All Northeast Football Conference defensive first team ... as a freshman, started all 10 games at wide receiver playing alongside current West Virginia University wideout Kevin White ... made 22 receptions for 300 yards.
High School: A 2011 graduate of Vineland HS (NJ) where he played for coach Dan Russo ... earned three letters while playing safety, LB, DE, and WR … also ran track.
Personal: Born Shahid Jaleal Lovett on 7/10/92, in Vineland, NJ … nicknamed Shy … mother is Stacey Purnell … has three brothers: Stanley Lovett (25), Cameron (15), and Darius Purnell (12) … chose Temple over Cal, Old Dominion and Towson because Temple "feels like home" … lists the following as his favorites: First 48 (TV show), Rap and R&B (music), The Pact (book)."

"One guy that flew under the radar was Lackawanna safety Shahid Lovett, who comes in at No. 3 in our rankings. At 6-foot-2 and 205 pounds, Lovett came down to Temple and Cal before opting to stay closer to home with the Owls. The product of New Jersey has made tremendous strides since being let go from his high school team four games into his senior season, and is one of two great prospects landed by Temple from the JUCO safety rankings. His video shows a very physical safety looking to make big hits and baiting quarterbacks into bad decisions."

(02-07-2014 05:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 06:17 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 06:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 05:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 05:25 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  I don't mean to come nitpick on your board, because AAC is way behind the B1G, but Navy doesn't join until 2015. It only bumps us up 4 points, but it is a boost.

While we are 30 spots behind the B1G we are 17 spots ahead of Cusa, 21 MW and 30+ the other two. Definitely not recruiting on P5 level as a conference, but it is considerably ahead of the other G5.

Good year for the ACC fwiw. The other NC publics have some highly ranked recruits.

A nit well picked. What that also does is put UConn further out on an island in the AAC, 20 spots lower than the next lowest ranked school. Does that suggest that UConn was getting more benefit, football wise, from its membership in the BE than the league was getting from the Huskies? Or is this recruiting class just an aberration?

Probably a combination of the two really.

Diaco was hired 4 days before the month long dead period so he essentially had a little less then a month to put a class together.

That said they will see a drop-off in the level of talent they are able to attract because they are now in a second tier conference.

Clawson was hired at Wake two or three days before Diaco and was able to move Wake's class from ranked in the 80's/90's to the 50's/60's (depending on the recruiting site you look at) in essentially the same time period.

Being in a major conference had a huge impact here. You could likely switch the coaches and the outcome would've been similar.

Doubtful. If the conference was all that mattered here, then Wake's class would not have been so poorly ranked under Grobe in the first place.

Clawson made a real difference.

(02-09-2014 01:39 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  247 had us signing a guy we never offered. Our 247 site is worthless.

Will you make up your rabbit assed mind?

Quote:Please dont use Scout. They only evaluate top players and programs and ignore entire areas.

You really think there's a big difference between GT and Syracuse's classes and Temple's? Because there's not. We were in range with Maryland until they got Prince.

Your class was pretty weak so you shouldn't crap on our class. Temple's class compared fine with the bottom 5 in the ACC on 247.

So which is it? Don't use 24/7 unless it looks favorable to you?

(02-09-2014 02:03 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 05:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 06:17 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 06:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 05:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  A nit well picked. What that also does is put UConn further out on an island in the AAC, 20 spots lower than the next lowest ranked school. Does that suggest that UConn was getting more benefit, football wise, from its membership in the BE than the league was getting from the Huskies? Or is this recruiting class just an aberration?

Probably a combination of the two really.

Diaco was hired 4 days before the month long dead period so he essentially had a little less then a month to put a class together.

That said they will see a drop-off in the level of talent they are able to attract because they are now in a second tier conference.

Clawson was hired at Wake two or three days before Diaco and was able to move Wake's class from ranked in the 80's/90's to the 50's/60's (depending on the recruiting site you look at) in essentially the same time period.

Being in a major conference had a huge impact here. You could likely switch the coaches and the outcome would've been similar.

Doubtful. If the conference was all that mattered here, then Wake's class would not have been so poorly ranked under Grobe in the first place.

Clawson made a real difference.

Except I didn't say that was all that mattered so the rest of your comment is worthless.

"Being in a major conference made a huge difference here. You could likely switch the coaches and the outcome would've been similar."

If you could switch the coaches and get pretty much the same results, then you're saying the conference affilation is what made the difference.